Xenoflare
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I was a bit disappointed where the amount of actual singing is exactly the same as the in game version
Oh well what did I expect
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Fire Emblem Fates |OT| Nohr does what Hoshidon't
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I was a bit disappointed where the amount of actual singing is exactly the same as the in game version
Oh well what did I expect
I feel like Conquest is easier when you only use like 3 units :/
Ch21-23 have been that way for me.
When I try to use more than 3 and proceed with caution...someone dies when I have spent 20mins+ on the chapter.
So then I proceed with 3 units, rush it, and achieve a way easier victory.
Do you guys think it's by design, or was Conquest not balanced against rushers?
For the record my 3 units are: Corrin, Xander, and Camilla
Ch21-23 have been that way for me.
When I try to use more than 3 and proceed with caution...someone dies when I have spent 20mins+ on the chapter.
So then I proceed with 3 units, rush it, and achieve a way easier victory.
Do you guys think it's by design, or was Conquest not balanced against rushers?
For the record my 3 units are: Corrin, Xander, and Camilla
That's not Conquest, that's Fire Emblem in general. Using a few juggernaut units > using a whole squad of middling. It's more noticeable since enemies are actually tough this time around. That said, you can use more than twice that number on Conquest (even on Lunatic) especially when the child sealed kids are factored in. Lunatic has a few smart anti-juggernaut features, like giving enemies poison strike, which prevents you from low-manning a map with a juggernaut.
NeonZ
Member
Some Conquest chapters can be easier like that - especially in that final stretch where there aren't special objectives aside from defeating the boss or seizing. The problem is that finishing the final chapter itself while low manning is basically impossible unless you have very specific builds so the game ends up biting you back for relying on that. Chapter 26 also might be a problem, although there are more ways around that.
Lol, good point. I did juggernaut Corrin + Ryoma on the last battle of Birthright and ended it way too quickly.
What do you mean with the kids though? Are they juggernautish as well?
A few of them, yeah. Velouria and Percy come to mind.
pokemonsquared
Banned
I've never seen such bullshit like lunatic conquest 25.
The game is straight up saying have some high level archers with shurikenbreaker or a corrin that can solo ryoma or else this map is impossible.
The game is straight up saying have some high level archers with shurikenbreaker or a corrin that can solo ryoma or else this map is impossible.
Skyball Paint
Member
To be honest I found Conquest 25 unpleasant on Hard. A lot of enemies too fast to double and with too much HP to one shot, you pretty much have no choice to eat debuffs from the master ninjas.
Also that chokepoint before Kagero, a bunch of ninjas with poison strike AND grizzly wound. Meaning even your toughest unit can die the death of a thousand cuts
Also that chokepoint before Kagero, a bunch of ninjas with poison strike AND grizzly wound. Meaning even your toughest unit can die the death of a thousand cuts
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
25 was probably the actual hardest chapter in the game on hard, IMO. Extremely fast enemies with tough skill loadouts and dangerous positioning/AI. Totally expected reinforcements from the stairs too but that never happened.
>Played Conquest
>Didn't get Velouria
How's my theprodigy impression. Haha, jk, jk I love you prodigy
theprodigy
Member
I didn't use Keaton in my run. I was too busy trying to make Arthur, Charlotte and Odin work >.>
pokemonsquared
Banned
As soon as I saw keaton could ORKO the pegasus riders in his join chapter, that was enough to convince me he was a keeper.
I didn't like any of the transforming characters in Tellius or Awakening (except for Ranulf because he a true bro) so I didn't expect to like them here because I was dumb and prejudiced.
I'm regretting that decision so much now after reading a bunch of their supports. Both Keaton and Kaden are hilarious and the former is a beast in the field. Shame he doesn't have ranged attacks but I can live when he takes down everything in one hit that dares to go near him.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I mostly used Keaton as pair up fodder. Just about anyone can appreciate a nice boost to strength and speed.
pokemonsquared
Banned
Whew finally beat Conquest lunatic
I somehow used up all my rescues in a previous chapter when I thought I had another one left so I ended up recruiting a hacked shigure with 11 move and pass off mycastle to ferry my MC to the boss because I was not going to deal with those paired up death riders while being assaulted by those inevtiable end savant maids.
Now I can check that off my bucket list and never touch the mode again.
I somehow used up all my rescues in a previous chapter when I thought I had another one left so I ended up recruiting a hacked shigure with 11 move and pass off mycastle to ferry my MC to the boss because I was not going to deal with those paired up death riders while being assaulted by those inevtiable end savant maids.
Now I can check that off my bucket list and never touch the mode again.
MissDeviling
Member
I don't even know how to deal with the ninjas properly. I had Effie lure them close to the wall and then the following turn Javelin them, but the process took way long, since only Effie could not worry about taking damage from them directly. Everyone else was just sitting back chillin'. :/
Also, fuck the Lunge puppet things. I had to stick an elixir on Benny's kid to make sure he could last more than a turn getting tossed through walls.
Chapter 25 on Hard can be annoying, but like, not that hard? Like all of the late-game maps with exception to 24, you're basically just given as much time as you want to figure stuff out. And while I can't recall the 'time limit' for 25, it's so high it might as well be nonexistent. Lunge puppets you beat by sending in a durable unit (like Effie) then cleaning them up after they're all pulled into the main room. You can beat the three range ninjas (and the Master of Arms) with Xander, Azura, and some healing. The whole map is quite fair in its' expectations, IMO.
The initial skirmish in 23 or ninja hell in general was IMO the most troublesome.
The initial skirmish in 23 or ninja hell in general was IMO the most troublesome.
theprodigy
Member
That works on hard, but lol attempting to tank on lunatic when the ninjas will quickly pull you to like -20 defense.
Drilbit777
Member
I need to come back to this game and finish the final chapter in Conquest. I was doing fine until the damn malig knights and paladins fucked me up. Its so annoying dealing with them.
That's why I specified Hard! Since that's what the line of discussion was on, and I haven't attempted Lunatic yet anyways. I can imagine how much more punishing that could be, lol.
Velouria with grisly wound and savage blow is so hilarious . I always used her in the past but I used keaton as my lead so camilla just always passed on lunge which was still good when enemes clustered or tried to choke point you. Now she's an ever bigger monster.
On hard I went up the left side of chapter 25 and cleared that. Got a silence staff from the chest on that side and killed Ryoma with my maxed out master ninja. Fuck everything to do with that hallway of death on the right. Yeah I lost out on some xp but most of my team who aren't already 20/20 will max next chapter or during the final chapter and endgame. Camilla already maxed out and capped two stats so I picked her up an eternal seal so she has a few more chances to hopefully get an hp level up. She just refuses to gain hp though I swear.
All in all I def found conquest on hard to be challenging but fair. Check the skills and ranges of the enemies, watch out for lunge chains and pass units and you should be okay.
Going to be doing my second birthright run after I beat this unless I break for awakening. Lunatic time for that so I expect to swear a lot.
On hard I went up the left side of chapter 25 and cleared that. Got a silence staff from the chest on that side and killed Ryoma with my maxed out master ninja. Fuck everything to do with that hallway of death on the right. Yeah I lost out on some xp but most of my team who aren't already 20/20 will max next chapter or during the final chapter and endgame. Camilla already maxed out and capped two stats so I picked her up an eternal seal so she has a few more chances to hopefully get an hp level up. She just refuses to gain hp though I swear.
All in all I def found conquest on hard to be challenging but fair. Check the skills and ranges of the enemies, watch out for lunge chains and pass units and you should be okay.
Going to be doing my second birthright run after I beat this unless I break for awakening. Lunatic time for that so I expect to swear a lot.
Alright, guess I'm starting to warm up to Birthright, the last couple of chapters (12 and 13) were actually pretty good. No bullshit reinforcements and some decent challenge, though 12 could be cheesed with a flying unit if I really wanted to, but I chose to get the chest first before gunning for the exit so there was still some tension when
. I'm guessing this won't last very long though and we'll be back to our regular schedule of 10 units of reinforcement per turn.
Should I reclass Hinoka to a Spear Fighter? There are so many archers in this game...
Xander started getting way too close to the party
Should I reclass Hinoka to a Spear Fighter? There are so many archers in this game...
Hinoka is solid as a Spear Fighter, but IMO flight is such a good unit trait that she's better off sticking it out there.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
I think I had too many fliers by the end of Birthright... everyone was Kinshi.
Reclass her early for better growth. You can always switch back later.
Birthright Spoilers (Character death)
ShadowSoldier89
Member
So, new DLC happening, 6 sequential maps. Looks like its another set using preset characters. Probably a good thing for those that are already done with the game
Looks I need to temporarily heart seal camilla to a non flying class for chapter 27. The Ai was smart and the entrap maid paired with an archer yanked her over there. Even at level 23 she couldn't one shot him and running put her straight in the path of the merchant and his posse of spendthrift bullshit.
On then other hand the ai matched MU master ninja vs their master ninja. Velouria vs a mage and hero soliel vs a berserker who couldn't land a hit on her so I maybe just got unlucky that time and the maids won't always try and put Camilla with the archer.
Either way it was a good way to get a taste of how my team matches up with the map and now I can actually prepare and determine who is getting which of the stat boosters I've been hoarding all campaign. After my first conquest run I decides on no early stat boosters becuase a lot of my units inevitably capped the stat I boosted before they hit 20/20 and I might as well save it for units who need a little extra.
On then other hand the ai matched MU master ninja vs their master ninja. Velouria vs a mage and hero soliel vs a berserker who couldn't land a hit on her so I maybe just got unlucky that time and the maids won't always try and put Camilla with the archer.
Either way it was a good way to get a taste of how my team matches up with the map and now I can actually prepare and determine who is getting which of the stat boosters I've been hoarding all campaign. After my first conquest run I decides on no early stat boosters becuase a lot of my units inevitably capped the stat I boosted before they hit 20/20 and I might as well save it for units who need a little extra.
Barrylocke
Member
They're never gonna live this down, will they?
pokemonsquared
Banned
I'd rather have more maps that are designed for endgame characters.
ChickenHunter
Member
Those 2 Scramble dlc maps aren't listed on the site with the new dlc. I guess we won't be getting them until after this second set is out :/
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Who do you like more? Personally, I don't like pairing with Azura since I like to sing Corrin.
dreamlongdead
Member
I used Rescue and Pass so that I didn't have to watch anyone die on the Endgame chapter. Silence stopped my units from being frozen or weakened when tanking the first enemy wave.
pokemonsquared
Banned
Nyx is a god awful character.
Her only real use was manning the magic ballista in ch10 in conquest and being rhajat's mom in revelation.
Her only real use was manning the magic ballista in ch10 in conquest and being rhajat's mom in revelation.
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
Was anyone else bummed out by the Fire Emblem this time, so meh.
victreeb3l
Member
Nah because it's pretty satisfying to use.
Bonen no Max'd
Banned
I legit forgot what the Fire Emblem was in this.
Though to be fair I can't remember what it was in FE4/FE5 (was it a gem in Tyrfing or something) and I think outside of the Archanea games it always gets shoehorned in so that they have a reason to keep the title, lol. The best are in FE8 and FE9/10 where it's just another name for an object that they mention and then never refer to it as the Fire Emblem again.
Though to be fair I can't remember what it was in FE4/FE5 (was it a gem in Tyrfing or something) and I think outside of the Archanea games it always gets shoehorned in so that they have a reason to keep the title, lol. The best are in FE8 and FE9/10 where it's just another name for an object that they mention and then never refer to it as the Fire Emblem again.
Otakumegane
Member
Lehran's medallion best fire emblem.