Schwarzbier
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I'm gonna follow this one for sure, thanks for letting us know about this!
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"For Exposure" is one of my favoirte twitter accounts
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perfectchaos007
Member
Some people feel like they don't have to pay for services that don't have a high material cost. Time is money people. Money is used to exchange goods and services, and art creation is a service!
The Dutch Slayer
Member
Yep, very familiar with this. Either that or getting asked to do shit for like 29 bucks or whatever, which tbh I don't mind at least people are trying to give what they have, tho I know that some people can afford my actual dates but they just don't think what I do is worth momay.
Again, actually all fine, it only really gets dicey when they don't take no for an answer and think berating me will make me change my mind?
Again, actually all fine, it only really gets dicey when they don't take no for an answer and think berating me will make me change my mind?
They know this, but they think they can trick you into doing it for free.
It's an insult to your intelligence as an artist.
meltingparappa
Member
I used to follow this until I felt my blood pressure rising into the stratosphere every time I scrolled past one.
Holy fucking shit this one should come with a trigger warning, because it's going to make some veins pop.
As it turns out, those assholes looking to get someone to do 30-60 minutes of animation for free(!!!!) were Men's Rights Activists....the name of their project is "THE RED PILL HARDCORE Radio & TV".
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1424670
Can't wait to see what Snowden-level leak they have uncovered! Hopefully they can find an animator that wants to become world famous.
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1424670
Can't wait to see what Snowden-level leak they have uncovered! Hopefully they can find an animator that wants to become world famous.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
Shut up and take my exposure!
Too used to pirating anime.
Someone said something like this to a YouTuber I'm subscribed to when he started selling tshirts.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Rapscallion
Member
I want to make a Terminator like movie in which someone from the future is sent back to stop the first unpaid intern.
I'm low on funds, so I'll need writers and artists working for free to make it a reality
I'm low on funds, so I'll need writers and artists working for free to make it a reality
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
I think at this point I'm more bothered by the idiotic notion a significant number of people have that art is some magical ability you're born with and not a learned skill, like literally everything else. You don't get to conveniently ignore my thousands of hours of practice, blood, sweat, and tears so you can feel justified in asking for hard work for free, convincing yourself that the real reason you suck is because you weren't lucky enough to be born with it, or that art is magical and beyond criticism.
I have gotten variants of "I could never do something like that" spoken with the aforementioned attitude very clearly hidden in the undertones so many times, and it never fails to piss me off. Yes, you could in fact do something like that if you actually wanted to, the same exact way you could go off and become an expert in any number of other things if you took the time to learn. Stop pretending this one technical skill somehow isn't functionally the same as virtually every other technical skill out there.
tl;dr: Compliments, respect, criticism, and curiosity are all great and a lot of artists would love to talk about any of them. "Compliments" and "respect" that are smuggling excuses and entitlement under the radar can piss off.
(For all my efforts to try avoiding having chips on my shoulders, this particular one has persisted).
I have gotten variants of "I could never do something like that" spoken with the aforementioned attitude very clearly hidden in the undertones so many times, and it never fails to piss me off. Yes, you could in fact do something like that if you actually wanted to, the same exact way you could go off and become an expert in any number of other things if you took the time to learn. Stop pretending this one technical skill somehow isn't functionally the same as virtually every other technical skill out there.
tl;dr: Compliments, respect, criticism, and curiosity are all great and a lot of artists would love to talk about any of them. "Compliments" and "respect" that are smuggling excuses and entitlement under the radar can piss off.
(For all my efforts to try avoiding having chips on my shoulders, this particular one has persisted).
LordKasual
Banned
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Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
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This one is hilarious and depressing because you've got all that writing exposing this person for acting like your standard creepy, entitled scumbag, and then there's "cutting pictures out of magazines and gluing them to boxes."
Like, what.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I love this account. It's real depressing, though.
I have a pretty good reverse For Exposure story. I was shopping around a few of my ideas at Comic Creator Connection at SDCC three years ago, and the artist that I was talking to got morally offended that I had listed Kickstarter as an option for one of my pitches. He went on to give me a lecture about how art gives him life and that he would never sell out, and that none of the other people in the room expect to be paid, either. It was the weirdest shit.
I have a pretty good reverse For Exposure story. I was shopping around a few of my ideas at Comic Creator Connection at SDCC three years ago, and the artist that I was talking to got morally offended that I had listed Kickstarter as an option for one of my pitches. He went on to give me a lecture about how art gives him life and that he would never sell out, and that none of the other people in the room expect to be paid, either. It was the weirdest shit.
Teriyaki Blues
Member
Decoupage is serious business.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The issue is that everyone does this stuff for free, so it'll never end.
Mass Effect
Member
And this is why I didn't want to do art professionally (at least on a contractual basis). I don't have the time or patience for this bullshit.
All I see is a penis. But then I am no artist.
Of all the things to try to turn into a microagression "your leisure drawings are offensive to my artistically challenged hand" ranks pretty high up in the stupid meter.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
Member
I've been looking for an account like this, thanks.
People asking for free art in exchange for exposure will never stop being hilarious.
People asking for free art in exchange for exposure will never stop being hilarious.
meltingparappa
Member
This is actually a sad reality.
In photoshop request threads on GAF for instance, you'll see a few dozen people ridiculing the OP for the audacity, but someone will always acquiesce.
In my profession - animation - there's the union in California meant to protect artists from shady wages, mandatory long hours, and a wealth of abuses. As much everyone agrees these are necessary to the basic happiness of any employee, there's always someone willing to put in "just a little extra effort" for recognition or an advantage, admittedly sometimes myself included.
Frozenprince
Banned
When I did primarily contract design and code work I had a freaking website with my rates clearly written in the contact page. And People would still call and email me DAILY asking me to do their shot for free.
I'm inclined to think at this point that people are just idiots.
I'm inclined to think at this point that people are just idiots.
Millennials killing the unpaid work industry
it all needs to die. Pay us for our labor. Fuck free labor.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, it's worse for writers when the barrier for entry is even lower and there are dozens of platforms that exist on a "for exposure" basis.
The funny thing is that there are probably some creative industries that are safe. No one is going to beg a video editor or sound engineer to do shit for them for free. People just have this weird double standard.
Or they just don't give a fuck. Or they think they're hot shit.
Here are some examples
In fairness, depending on where this was posted, it could be fair enough. Did something similar with a group of adult friends for a local film festival a few years back and it was a load of fun. Would probably have quickly become problematic if money was involved in any capacity.
Some of the others though. Yeeesh.
Jellycrackers
Member
I wish this was true, but it's not. Granted I primarily do music, but I also do sound design and engineering.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Really? People expect you to do audio mixing and shit "for exposure"? Jesus. lol
Frozenprince
Banned
Bit of all three really. I just feel bad for the college kid some of them will inevitably sucker into doing it so they "have it for their future references". And of course most of them don't know better.
You would be surprised how many people are unable to comprehend the worth of art.
It's like people just can't understand the worth of something unless is within the parameters of a 9 to 5 profession.
Mass Effect
Member
Wrong. I do both and I've had people ask me. And I'm not even a professional.
Some people are really desperate to get their foot in the door I guess.
lmao
Jellycrackers
Member
I don't really advertise myself as a sound engineer for mixing other peoples' audio, but I write my own music which requires a ton of work mixing. So indirectly, yes. I also know a couple people with home studios who do record and engineer for bands, and people ask them for favors all the time.
Inquisitive_Ghost
Member
firehawk12
Subete no aware
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Yep.
I'm very guilty of this. I do game reviewing on the side, but I keep taking unpaid gigs. Why? Because I enjoy writing. I've tried to quit a few times, but I get so bored and restless that I end up going back.
What's really funny (and sad) about "exposure" is that I used to write reviews on Steam. When your review is featured on the very same page as the purchase button, you can't get anymore exposure than that.
I keep telling myself that one day I'll actually put together a resume and start shopping around for paid work. Thing is, I don't have the confidence to pull it off.
Sucks.
Of course you'll get more work from them if you agree to terms like that, there's literally no downside for them there. The problem is it's not work any reasonable human being would want.
Whomever that person is, I love them.
In my experience, people who decry others as "sell-outs" are people who think they are not, when the reality is they have nothing worth buying.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yeah, I'm basically in the same position.
The hilarious thing about that though is that as someone who was in academia, writing for exposure is literally the only way you can advance in your career. It's such a scam in the liberal arts, particularly when journals are charging so much for access to your writing.
So something to consider here: There are absolutely windows where doing something for "exposure" is worthwhile. Evaluating those windows intelligently is what matters.
Case in point. I barely made any money doing 20 hours+ a week broadcasting Overwatch community tournaments for the better part of 7 months or so. However, I knew that I'd be building skills and a brand in a field where being in early mattered very much. As a result, it gave me a strong resume to do things like broadcast for TBS on ELEAGUE, or work events like Blizzcon (events that of course had very competitive pay).
If I took the hardline approach of wanting top tier caster rates from Day 1 (For small 120-500 dollar tournaments) not only would I not have gotten those rates, but I wouldn't have had incredible opportunities come to me later.
The main thing is to evaluate every situation and realize that if you do work for less, seeing if there is a bigger plan or more tangible goal that it will actually work into. It's not black and white as some people paint it in this thread.
Case in point. I barely made any money doing 20 hours+ a week broadcasting Overwatch community tournaments for the better part of 7 months or so. However, I knew that I'd be building skills and a brand in a field where being in early mattered very much. As a result, it gave me a strong resume to do things like broadcast for TBS on ELEAGUE, or work events like Blizzcon (events that of course had very competitive pay).
If I took the hardline approach of wanting top tier caster rates from Day 1 (For small 120-500 dollar tournaments) not only would I not have gotten those rates, but I wouldn't have had incredible opportunities come to me later.
The main thing is to evaluate every situation and realize that if you do work for less, seeing if there is a bigger plan or more tangible goal that it will actually work into. It's not black and white as some people paint it in this thread.
God yes this! It's like they assume you have all this free food laying around going to waste that you're not sharing. Like I barely eat adequately myself and you want me to prepare a full meal for 50+ people for free? Cut down on the amount of drugs you're consuming, save up that money, then call me.