maquiladora
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Exactly. It's taking F2P style but doing it with a full price game. It's greed on a whole new scale, I cannot believe anyone would defent that model.
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Forza 5: The monetization is even worse than you think.
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Exactly. It's taking F2P style but doing it with a full price game. It's greed on a whole new scale, I cannot believe anyone would defent that model.
CaptainTiptop
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Don't be silly, of course they didn't.
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How much does it cost to upgrade the crowds?
Triggerhappytel
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So they've increased the prices of the very top-end cars in order to make them feel truly exclusive and not cheapen the essence of driving a Bugatti, Ferrari etc? But completely coincidentally this just so happens to be at the same time that they extensively introduce micro-transactions? Yeah, go fuck yourselves MS. You've already had a very bad start to this gen in gamers' hearts and minds; don't do this and fuck it up even more.
WarMacheen
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As I said before I own Forza 1, 2, 3, and 4.
I will never own Forza 5, never, not on sale, not bomba, never.
If GT6 follows this model, or any other fucking game, I will not own them.
Yeah, its just content that has been put behind more grind to push people to tokens.
I will never own Forza 5, never, not on sale, not bomba, never.
If GT6 follows this model, or any other fucking game, I will not own them.
Yeah, its just content that has been put behind more grind to push people to tokens.
Neuro
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Buying a PS4 with its power IMO
Those that support will argue that it adds gameplay to real life. Work harder to earn that extra money.
Haunted
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What I always want to see in such cases is a simple number:
How much would it cost to buy all the game makes available for real money purchases.
Just that simple number. Don't care if it doesn't make sense to buy every car with real money instead of in-game credits, don't care if you use the best or the worst possible deal to buy this.
Just tell me: how much does all the content in this game that I can buy with real money, cost.
How much would it cost to buy all the game makes available for real money purchases.
Just that simple number. Don't care if it doesn't make sense to buy every car with real money instead of in-game credits, don't care if you use the best or the worst possible deal to buy this.
Just tell me: how much does all the content in this game that I can buy with real money, cost.
TheGreyHulk
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I can't believe this. I was going to buy forza before reading this, but now, FUK NO!
This is completely unacceptable. Either make it f2p or stop gouging paying customers. Pay for the LE, season pass and you still have to pay with in game currency to get this cars...WTF is the point then? You don't do this to your fan base.
To cut the gifted cars for winning is one thing, but to then cut the credit payout as well and then add real money for tokens is bull shit. You're forcing gamers to grind like its an mmo just to buy a new car and basically force them to cave in to spend more money on top of the $60-80 for the game and $50 or whatever for the season pass....HOW GREEDY CAN YOU GET?
F YOU MICROSOFT FOR FORCING T10 TO DO THIS CRAP.
I'm pissed and us gamers should NOT stand for this. We need to make noise so they can AT LEAST increase the damn credit payouts for winning so we don't have to play for hours upon hours to buy that new Honda civic...ugh /rant
This is completely unacceptable. Either make it f2p or stop gouging paying customers. Pay for the LE, season pass and you still have to pay with in game currency to get this cars...WTF is the point then? You don't do this to your fan base.
To cut the gifted cars for winning is one thing, but to then cut the credit payout as well and then add real money for tokens is bull shit. You're forcing gamers to grind like its an mmo just to buy a new car and basically force them to cave in to spend more money on top of the $60-80 for the game and $50 or whatever for the season pass....HOW GREEDY CAN YOU GET?
F YOU MICROSOFT FOR FORCING T10 TO DO THIS CRAP.
I'm pissed and us gamers should NOT stand for this. We need to make noise so they can AT LEAST increase the damn credit payouts for winning so we don't have to play for hours upon hours to buy that new Honda civic...ugh /rant
BolognaSoup
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I would flat out stop gaming before I would support a micro-transaction based model for this industry. Plenty of retro and existing games to play.
They increased the price of the top-end cars... IF you don't use tokens. This isn't going to affect someone that is playing the game as intended and using the real in game currency.
Neuro
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You konw what, Nintendo's console does not seem bad at all now...If Sony follows through both of them are going to have a real hard time staying alive in this gen...
wow really? That's hilarious and sad at the same time.
Killing_Joke
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Jesus, what an awful way of thinking. Thanks for buying our game, now pay us more money so you don't have to actively play it.
Glorified G
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What bullshit. Not so subtle attempt for the player to spend more in game credits than they would before, which in turn drives up the odds of spending actual money. With how little the content the game has to begin with this is looking like a sub $20 purchase in a few years. Probably used just to say fuck you
GT6 and putting MP behind a paywall says hello
I agree with this. Don't use fake money.. just give me a price .
Speedy Blue Dude
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What's the problem here? You're not forced to buy anything... If I want to spend $72 to buy my Lotus, instead of grinding for hours to get it, why does it matter to anyone? Others can still get it normally, Turn 10 is just giving players options.
Read it again. They did the exact opposite, the cars cost MORE if you use tokens - not less.
And again. They're saying THEY WOULD RATHER YOU PLAY THE GAME to earn credits.
Gouda Jouji
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I have thought of that, too, but as long as you have Tiny Death Star and Tapped Out potentially charging $100 for whimsical in game fun-time currency there will be no definition. I can seriously see every game going to this, too. Upgrade your golfer, your cash, your points, your gold coins, weapon rental. Woo!
dungtongue
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It's really disgusting how MS keeps trying to lead the industry in the worst directions. Hopefully they lose a lot of their influence (but don't exit the industry entirely) so that other dumbass publishers don't even think about trying to follow their lead.
StrongArmSteady
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Maybe because you didnt have to grind for hours in the previous games?
Pay2Pay2Play.
That's really the big revelation of the next generation of console gaming.
And we made actively playing it really, really tedious... so you pay us not to play
Is that an actual picture of the crowd? Why did they go for such disinterested looks for the crowd?
weekend_warrior
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This is exactly why I'm not supporting the Xbox and I can't help but look down on people who do. We've been watching MS screw consumers the entire generation, it's nothing new, and the less push back they get the further they're willing to push it. Go back to the "horse armor" debate, plenty of people just brushed it off as "no don't like it, don't buy it". Well, you made your bed and now you don't want to lay in it.
Case in point.
Case in point.
I'm more worried about third parties than Sony.
Gran Turismo 6 will be the first.
AuthenticM
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I hope Grand Turismo 7 doesn't do this.
ArcaneFreeze
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Because they're making it incredibly hard to get it w/o paying for it. Thats how most F2P games make their money, they know most people don't have the time to put into grinding out like that so they make something either near impossible or extremely hard/tedious to do unless you pay money for it. Yeah its an option but its taking advantage of consumers just to make more money on an already full priced game.
Have you ever played Forza or GT?
It sounds like they made it more expensive to get if you pay for it and didn't change much if you are getting it through the standard career progression.
weevles
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It's a bad sign that console makers are trying to force the smartphone business model on their systems and games. In the smartphone world, the apps are sold at cut rate, low ball prices to hook consumers in, then the microtransactions provide the profit, but with console games, the buy-in is much much higher. $60 for a barebones game with the bulk of the gaming experience funneled into nickel and diming people for content is really going to destroy the Industry in the long run. I feel bad for people who jump into XBO and invest that much into their console and games only to find out all the things they are missing out on if they don't dump even more cash into the system.
Neuro
Member
Ryse also has microtransactions, now Forza next up Gears and Halo will too...Microsoft needs to be hit on their sales really badly only then will they realise their error...
Oh yeah the media wont even pick these up cause they are given games and everything free of cost, I have been a hardcore loyalist of Microsoft's consoles but after all of this I refuse to part with any of my money.
I curse them from the bottom of my heart that this will become thier Xbox One will become the Atari Jaguar and will fade into oblivion
You have seriously pissed too many people off, its only a matter of time when the public starts to understand the devious nature of your greed.
Polioliolio
Member
If you really want them to see what you think, you don't buy the game.
A less extreme choice that still says 'hey, not putting up with that shit' would be to buy the game of the year edition, or complete edition should there be one down the road.
FootballFan
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This is absolutely ridiculous. There is simply no precedent for this in $60 console games. This is several levels beyond any of the scummiest and most cynical cash grabs we've seen in console gaming up to this point.
They admitted to deliberately curbing the speed at which you can earn credits in order to make the fanciest cars hard to obtain. And they've taken it to such an extreme that it takes several hours of play in order to afford one of those pricey cars, and since you get nowhere near close to affording many of those cars by the time you finish the career, that means you're going to be grinding the same content you've already completed several times over in order to afford all the cars.
Oh, or you could buy their virtual currency instead, which they helpfully remind you of constantly.
They deliberately designed the progression of the game to be molasses slow in order to tempt you to buy virtual currency. It's F2P game design grafted into a $60 game with paid day one DLC.
There was a thread a day or two ago where many people were convinced that GT6 was JUST AS BAD because they announced they were selling virtual currency as well, even though we have no idea how quickly you can earn credits in that game or how much they charge for cars or how valuable their virtual currency is.
You can eventually purchase all the cars in FM5 without paying for virtual currency, but the rate at which you can earn the in-game credits to buy the cars normally is so ridiculously slowed down that it would take you several dozen hours of replaying races you already won in order to afford them. You could race online, but since you are less likely to finish first, that would be a slower way to get credits than just doing career races over and over.
While Forza Horizon was littered with DLC ads and enabled you to buy tokens and boosters, none of that was necessary because the game gave out credits at a fair rate for playing the game. After playing Horizon for 25 hours (mostly single player, couple hours of online, and a couple hours of challenging rivals), I had bought most of the cars I had wanted and could afford to buy a couple of the 10 or so cars that cost over a million credits.
To earn a million credits in Horizon, it would take me, near the end game, two hours at MOST. In Forza 5, it would take several times that length of time.
You get paid credits in game for playing, just like in most sim racing games. Tokens are their virtual currency that you pay real money for.
The kicker with the Forza DLC is that once you buy a DLC pack, you still have to buy the car with credits or tokens. So if you paid for the DLC for the LaFerrari, which is a highly desirable and expensive car, you would still have to earn the credits in game to buy that car, which would take several hours of playing. Or you could buy tokens, which the game reminds you of constantly.
So if the LaFerrari cost 1 million credits, and you bought the DLC for the LaFerrari, you would have to either have 1 million credits on hand, play for the hours required to make the difference up, or pay for enough tokens to buy the LaFerrari. Yes, you would be paying them MULTIPLE TIMES in order to drive that car.
They admitted to deliberately curbing the speed at which you can earn credits in order to make the fanciest cars hard to obtain. And they've taken it to such an extreme that it takes several hours of play in order to afford one of those pricey cars, and since you get nowhere near close to affording many of those cars by the time you finish the career, that means you're going to be grinding the same content you've already completed several times over in order to afford all the cars.
Oh, or you could buy their virtual currency instead, which they helpfully remind you of constantly.
They deliberately designed the progression of the game to be molasses slow in order to tempt you to buy virtual currency. It's F2P game design grafted into a $60 game with paid day one DLC.
There was a thread a day or two ago where many people were convinced that GT6 was JUST AS BAD because they announced they were selling virtual currency as well, even though we have no idea how quickly you can earn credits in that game or how much they charge for cars or how valuable their virtual currency is.
You can eventually purchase all the cars in FM5 without paying for virtual currency, but the rate at which you can earn the in-game credits to buy the cars normally is so ridiculously slowed down that it would take you several dozen hours of replaying races you already won in order to afford them. You could race online, but since you are less likely to finish first, that would be a slower way to get credits than just doing career races over and over.
While Forza Horizon was littered with DLC ads and enabled you to buy tokens and boosters, none of that was necessary because the game gave out credits at a fair rate for playing the game. After playing Horizon for 25 hours (mostly single player, couple hours of online, and a couple hours of challenging rivals), I had bought most of the cars I had wanted and could afford to buy a couple of the 10 or so cars that cost over a million credits.
To earn a million credits in Horizon, it would take me, near the end game, two hours at MOST. In Forza 5, it would take several times that length of time.
You get paid credits in game for playing, just like in most sim racing games. Tokens are their virtual currency that you pay real money for.
The kicker with the Forza DLC is that once you buy a DLC pack, you still have to buy the car with credits or tokens. So if you paid for the DLC for the LaFerrari, which is a highly desirable and expensive car, you would still have to earn the credits in game to buy that car, which would take several hours of playing. Or you could buy tokens, which the game reminds you of constantly.
So if the LaFerrari cost 1 million credits, and you bought the DLC for the LaFerrari, you would have to either have 1 million credits on hand, play for the hours required to make the difference up, or pay for enough tokens to buy the LaFerrari. Yes, you would be paying them MULTIPLE TIMES in order to drive that car.
Haunted
Member
Yeah, consumables you can buy repeatedly would obviously not really fall into that, or would at least have to be listed separately.
But just the amount for the gated content would be fine.
NullPointer
Member
Do you honestly think that these microtransaction schemes have nothing whatsoever to do with how much and how often in-game currency is handed out? That they don't actually develop or tweak a game's progression curves based upon their microtransaction potential?
Turn 10 has also removed ways to make currency, earn cars and upgrade discounts. I don't think those decisions were made in a vacuum.
Polioliolio
Member
Would they keep in a painful un-fun game philosophy if there was no easy way out (cash)?
Of course not, they do want people to be interested in playing the game.
StrongArmSteady
Member
Forza 3 does that count?
ArkkAngel007
Member
He brought up in the Ryse review he was having enough fun to not mind the grind in Forza 5 (didn't feel it was a grind iow) to take issue with that system, but couldn't say the same for what he felt was utterly pointless upgrades and boring gameplay in Ryse.
You also can't look at the review without looking at how someone approached it. Sessler wasn't looking to specifically unlock or complete, nor does it seem like he dabbles much in that genre.
The way he went about playing the game was far more different than what Eurogamer did.
To be fair, you get those 1 million credits by preordering from Amazon, for no extra charge.
Just like you get custom livery cars if you preorder from Gamestop.
It's not adding anything new to the game or making you pay extra.
I have seen people mention that they could allow the purchase of "extra" credits with real money, but there are no details out on that.
Also GT has never locked content behind a pay wall from the get-go, GT5 didn't have it's first payed DLC until a year after it released.
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