Thanks. I think that's what Far Cry 3(render ahead queue) had which caused massive lag.
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G-SYNC - New nVidia monitor tech (continuously variable refresh; no tearing/stutter)
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Thanks. I think that's what Far Cry 3(render ahead queue) had which caused massive lag.
It's one of the biggest reasons I want G-Sync. The reduced motion blur is probably the most important factor for me.
No tearing and no stutter are fantastic too, though.
Really awesome innovation. Unfortunately, it's another proprietary feature that I'll only adopt if Nvidia has the best bang for the buck card in my price range come build time. I do need a new monitor as well, so if pricing is fair and third party options are abundant, then maybe it will influence my card purchase. Either way I'll be watching with interest as I do hate tearing/stutter.
copelandmaster
Member
I've found that Triple Buffering is basically identical to disabled vsync on games with raw mouse input (CryEngine games, DICE games, Blizzard games, are some of the most popular examples of games with raw mouse input).
This was probably posted before, but I asked the Carmackinator how they will reduce blur and all with G-SYNC.
John Carmack ‏@ID_AA_Carmack 3m
@GuerrillaDawg the didn't talk about it, but this includes an improved lightboost driver, but it is currently a choice -- gsync or flashed.
John Carmack ‏@ID_AA_Carmack 3m
@GuerrillaDawg the didn't talk about it, but this includes an improved lightboost driver, but it is currently a choice -- gsync or flashed.
Lostconfused
Member
Yep this definitely explains why people would be incredibly excited after seeing it. It's incredible how much motion blur is introduced by constant back light and seeing those two displays side by side is certainly striking.
Prophet Steve
Member
Uhm, no. The frame rate will stay the same.
30FPS exactly will look the same, it's the other rates (31,32,29,28 etc) that benefit from this.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I'd have to see this first hand, because I never tear at 144hz and I don't know if G-SYNC is going to do more for perceptual smoothness than Light Boost. Maybe it would at lower framerates.
Ok, I missed this post. It's great that the tech has the potential to be mainstream. It's a game changer for sure.
SuoGrey
Member
if you never tear at 144hz you are running with vsync on or at extremely low resolution/quality settings
or maybe all the games you play are really old
I've got the Asus monitor they say will have a retrofit kit, so here's hoping that the retrofit kit is fairly cheap.
Honestly, in 120hz/Lightboost mode, I don't notice tearing in games at all, so I don't know how much I'd really be willing to pay for this.
Edit: Displayport only? Balls. My 580 doesn't have that. Are there converters?
Honestly, in 120hz/Lightboost mode, I don't notice tearing in games at all, so I don't know how much I'd really be willing to pay for this.
Edit: Displayport only? Balls. My 580 doesn't have that. Are there converters?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I usually force triple buffering.
Durante, durante. does this mean I can play GW2 uncapped without tearing!?!?!?!? D:
RibbedHero
Member
They're going to include a chipset that can sync a GPU to a panel in an HDMI cable?
Please tell me more about this magical solution of yours.
if they included it in an industry standard then whatever tvs support that version of the standard would have to have display controllers that can handle it. it's not that hard.
don't know if it'll ever happen but it really is the best solution for computer graphics
G-SYNC requires GTX 650 Ti Boost or better, so you'd need to buy a new GPU, too. This isn't some arbitrary BS to force folks to upgrade, by the way - Kepler and up has tech in it to make G-SYNC work.
I know I'm not Durante, but yes
At least, provided this is not one of the games that has issues with G-Sync.It sounds like it's taking advantage of the same technology necessary for Adaptive V-sync, judging from the minimum required GPU.
EvilEntity
Banned
This looks really fucking good. Too bad i just got another Ultrasharp Maybe Dell will get on the bandwagon somehow...
Maybe Dell will get on the bandwagon somehow...I Stalk Alone
Member
so new checklist for the perfect monitor
IPS
UHD
1ms gtg
<8.33 ms of display lag
144 hz (will this even be needed anymore? with g-sync)
lightboost
g-sync
no bleeding
good contrast
accurate colours
anomorphic widescreen
benefits
movies will now be great. no jitter no pulldown
stutter eliminated
tearing eliminated
mouse needs less interpolation may lead to better accuracy.
will provide less powerful gpu's better experience
emulation issues solved for old games as timings can now match.
introduced motion blur will not be needed as the eyes will do it themselves when all frames are matched.
image quality vastly improved
multi gpu setups vastly improved. less frame variance.
this is a holy grail of display innovation right here. pc gaming is going to be even more glorious.
Brothers and sisters, today we shall walk out of the wilderness, the dark age is at an end , the sacrifices of our old king the crt will finally prevail and a decade of poor misguided progress now slain. A new beacon lights our path and it is glorious. It can only be a sign that gaming heaven is upon us, that display paradise is finally at hand! Lord gaben, let your light bestow upon us the beauty and the terror of Half Life 3 as we, your humble servants of the PC master race offer our beloved hdcrt's as a willing sacrifice as we await the coming of our display messiah.
AAAAAAAAMEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAN.
IPS
UHD
1ms gtg
<8.33 ms of display lag
144 hz (will this even be needed anymore? with g-sync)
lightboost
g-sync
no bleeding
good contrast
accurate colours
anomorphic widescreen
benefits
movies will now be great. no jitter no pulldown
stutter eliminated
tearing eliminated
mouse needs less interpolation may lead to better accuracy.
will provide less powerful gpu's better experience
emulation issues solved for old games as timings can now match.
introduced motion blur will not be needed as the eyes will do it themselves when all frames are matched.
image quality vastly improved
multi gpu setups vastly improved. less frame variance.
this is a holy grail of display innovation right here. pc gaming is going to be even more glorious.
Brothers and sisters, today we shall walk out of the wilderness, the dark age is at an end , the sacrifices of our old king the crt will finally prevail and a decade of poor misguided progress now slain. A new beacon lights our path and it is glorious. It can only be a sign that gaming heaven is upon us, that display paradise is finally at hand! Lord gaben, let your light bestow upon us the beauty and the terror of Half Life 3 as we, your humble servants of the PC master race offer our beloved hdcrt's as a willing sacrifice as we await the coming of our display messiah.
AAAAAAAAMEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAN.
michaelius
Banned
I thought this day cannot get any better. I was wrong.
ashecitism
Member
John Carmack ‏@ID_AA_Carmack 19m
@jimrayvaughn @renderpipeline laptop and mobile screens will come later. I tried to convince Apple to do this years ago.
some people here asked about laptop screens
@jimrayvaughn @renderpipeline laptop and mobile screens will come later. I tried to convince Apple to do this years ago.
some people here asked about laptop screens
I'd expect NV to get a call from Apple with a buyout offer of this tech, and put them in their new line of expensive LCD TV's
Why the fuck would a TV need this?
Takamura-San
Member
Thank you, Appreciate it.
My HDTV tears just like my monitor.
Here:
Maybe I should have said HDMI 2.0 to better illustrate my point, but I just said 1.5 as the latest I've heard is 1.4.
Anyway, the displays that support this future standard would come with this functionality, and I'm 100% sure it would take much smaller effort than a hack/mod like this to include it straight on the display, as the TV/monitor software would already be able to control the refresh rate while sending the necessary signalling / handshaking information through the HDMI cable. Many TV's already can change their refresh rates (24p, 50p, 60p), this would be done dynamically.
Should this thing not bypass the HDMI standard?
michaelius
Banned
Noone would increase price of TV by 100$ to get few gamers happy anyway.
It's wild that it's taken this long for this tech to come along. It should have been part of the DVI standard from day one. It's such an obvious solution to an archaic problem. AMD is basically fucked if DisplayPort doesn't eventually adopt something like it into the official standard.
When watching what?!?!
I don't think a native solution would cost anything close to it, I don't even think it would cost more than a software solution. HDMI already has communication functions so the TV can talk to the source device. Higher end TV's already have the circuitry to handle this. Some even output audio though HDMI, audio return channel. If they can pass information, which is audio, that is totally in sync with the visuals, they can easily output necessary signals, including signals to refresh.
LG'S simplink
http://www.ask.com/question/what-is-simplink
Audio Return channel
http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/arc.aspx
Lostconfused
Member
Actually the exact opposite, this is much more significant for lower end performance where the frame rates are not consistently high.
Future PhaZe
Member
Thanks Andy, you've been a good sport
Regarding the bolded, my god @ the potential of lightboost without the color and brightness degradation you get from the current mod in 2d mode.
throwing my money at the screen, just hoping that the installation doesn't result in ihavenoideawhatimdoing.jpeg
Lostconfused
Member
That would be physically impossible I imagine since eliminating motion blur depends on making sure the backlight is not on during image transition. The overall light output of the monitor would have to be lower no matter what. However with this the GPU will also have more control over the display's colour and gamma which would make it easier to fix colour degradation caused by strobing the backlight.