Snapshot King
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Ugh, Prisms been garbage forever. I'm just shocked that it took so long of him working as a game journo for it to become public knowledge.
I've known Schreier before he went into gaming journalism. The problem with people like him is that they don't come from a real journalism background. Schreier, as far as I know, went from being an enthusiastic gaming fan on message boards to writing reviews for his friend's website. Somehow he climbed the social ladder and jumped straight into aggregate blogging.
There are no real reporters in gaming journalism, just a bunch of writers that regurgitate press releases and leaked information, as well as the occasional sensationalist drama-mongering comment by a gaming industry member in order to get site hits. Then these 'journalists' go on to lick PSPs, dance with copies of Skyrim, and perhaps even go on to work in the gaming industry itself--even if it is just being featured in Mass Effect 3.
People like Schreier and Kotaku in general are no higher in quality than gossip magazines that shit out any old rumour to sell their trash.
I thought that it was Kotaku's proclamation not to post rumors, but yet they still do after Cresente left.
He seems to have a very bad way of doing damage control.
Couldn't all of this been fine if he said "I goofed, sorry!" and not try to put the burden of proof on the internet?
Pretty much. Jason is behaving pretty childishly.
If he had just said:
"I'm sorry, guys. I really should have done a bit more legwork and looked at that image a bit more critically. Definitely one to learn from!"
I think this topic would be dead.
Yeah, he's now retreated into the asylum of "everything on neogaf is untrustworthy don't believe them you can't prove anything" which I think is hilarious all considered.
I also love how he makes it seem like WanderingWind is the one with the problem. Maybe he should stop acting like a child and respond to what he said.
Well, they updated the respective articles with "well, it was a rumor/leak/photoshop , etc.".Have the sites and the "journalists" apologized for their unprofessional conduct yet?
I've known Schreier before he went into gaming journalism. The problem with people like him is that they don't come from a real journalism background. Schreier, as far as I know, went from being an enthusiastic gaming fan on message boards to writing reviews for his friend's website. Somehow he climbed the social ladder and jumped straight into aggregate blogging.
There are no real reporters in gaming journalism, just a bunch of writers that regurgitate press releases and leaked information, as well as the occasional sensationalist drama-mongering comment by a gaming industry member in order to get site hits. Then these 'journalists' go on to lick PSPs, dance with copies of Skyrim, and perhaps even go on to work in the gaming industry itself--even if it is just being featured in Mass Effect 3.
If they created "proper" news stories that involved actual journalistic practices, I'm not sure most people would ever really praise them for it, or even acknowledge it for that matter. People like talking about the bad stuff, especially when it games to internet games communities.
"everything on neogaf is untrustworthy don't believe them you can't prove anything"
Not true. Good games journalism gets praised here. Stephen Totilo, Ben Kuchera and Patrick Klepek have done good work in the past and gotten noticed for it.All I know is, people always tend to focus on the overtly negative stuff and never the positive. So as flawed as all the writers involved in this have acted, they're figures waiting to be vilified regardless. If they created "proper" news stories that involved actual journalistic practices, I'm not sure most people would ever really praise them for it, or even acknowledge it for that matter. People like talking about the bad stuff, especially when it games to internet games communities.
Not true. Good games journalism gets praised here. Stephen Totilo, Ben Kuchera and Patrick Klepek have done good work in the past and gotten noticed for it.
Some more gold that shows how Schreir and Kotaku functions:
edit: He is also banning people from the LUElinks community on Kotaku.
So why is that there's always the prevailing snark whenever "games journalism" comes up? I do admit that there is a lot of shoddy game press out there, but it's not as if the enthusiast boards like NeoGAF consider it a respectful job to have, which always strikes me as ironic in a way.Not true. Good games journalism gets praised here. Stephen Totilo, Ben Kuchera and Patrick Klepek have done good work in the past and gotten noticed for it.
The personal vendetta that some posters in this thread seem to have towards this guy is absolutely pathetic.
A couple of you should truly be embarrassed by your behaviour
As WanderingWind put it before, it's weird that the occasional person comes in and starts talking about personal vendettas when most of us had never heard of this guy until yesterday. Even with his refusal to admit any sort of wrongdoing, all he had to do at any time was just walk away. Instead at every point he has chosen to stir the pot and inflame the issue further.The personal vendetta that some posters in this thread seem to have towards this guy is absolutely pathetic.
A couple of you should truly be embarrassed by your behaviour
he starts boasting of how he banned people on Kotaku for posting his own article.Just when that's about to blow over, it turns out that he's banning more people on Kotaku from the LUElinks community.
Chill out, GAF. Jason Schreier has written some great stuff on Wired, his blog, and even at Kotaku.
The only reason he took so much heat is because he tried to discuss it. It's far better than what a guy like Jim Sterling did with the "oh, you forever nerd virgins got me! LOLOLOLOLOL" type of update.
And yes, it's common practice for a blog to source a major media outlet.
If you want to be pissed about anything, be pissed that somebody with nothing better to do than to dupe a news outlet was successful. Eurogamer could have followed up better, it's true, but if the listings had been pulled, obviously Play.com would have denied that they had existed.
It's unfortunate that rumors spread like they did. It happens.
When rumors circulated about North Korea's leader dying a few weeks back, we weren't running up hundreds of posts to rip apart any reporter that reported on the rumor and speculation, did we?
When rumors circulated about North Korea's leader dying a few weeks back, we weren't running up hundreds of posts to rip apart any reporter that reported on the rumor and speculation, did we?
All I know is, people always tend to focus on the overtly negative stuff and never the positive. So as flawed as all the writers involved in this have acted, they're figures waiting to be vilified regardless. If they created "proper" news stories that involved actual journalistic practices, I'm not sure most people would ever really praise them for it, or even acknowledge it for that matter. People like talking about the bad stuff, especially when it games to internet games communities.
Not true. Good games journalism gets praised here. Stephen Totilo, Ben Kuchera and Patrick Klepek have done good work in the past and gotten noticed for it.
Sorry, but you can't really judge the community on its treatment of Scheier when he popped in here to stir the pot like half a dozen times without ever issuing a true mea culpa.
Chill out, GAF. Jason Schreier has written some great stuff on Wired, his blog, and even at Kotaku.
The only reason he took so much heat is because he tried to discuss it. It's far better than what a guy like Jim Sterling did with the "oh, you forever nerd virgins got me! LOLOLOLOLOL" type of update.
And yes, it's common practice for a blog to source a major media outlet.
If you want to be pissed about anything, be pissed that somebody with nothing better to do than to dupe a news outlet was successful. Eurogamer could have followed up better, it's true, but if the listings had been pulled, obviously Play.com would have denied that they had existed.
It's unfortunate that rumors spread like they did. It happens.
When rumors circulated about North Korea's leader dying a few weeks back, we weren't running up hundreds of posts to rip apart any reporter that reported on the rumor and speculation, did we?
Jason said:Actually, I'm asking you to prove the accusations you're making in this thread. You are accusing me (and other reporters) of posting incorrect information, but your evidence appears to be based on nothing but assumptions. If you want to continue throwing around tired "lol game journalism" insults instead of, you know, actually backing up your claims, be my guest.
Meanwhile, as I said before, if anybody has something conclusive showing that these listings have been photoshopped, please let me know here or via e-mail (jason@kotaku.com). I will of course continue to look into this on my own, but I always appreciate hearing more info.
I really expected better of you. At no point do you admit that Jason made any sort of error. This is why this thread is so long. Not because of an honest mistake, but because of a mistake that had led to a childish tantrum from a supposed industry professional.
It comes back down to it. If you want to call yourself a journalist, then do the work of one. If not, don't get upset when you're called another arm of public relation/marketing or dismissed by your contemporaries with the term "blogger."