Kenzodielocke
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Ramsay is way more dangerous than Joffrey, because he's smart. As Tywin once said, a crown does not give you power.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 6 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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Fenderputty
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The banality of evil personified if you ask me.
He's become a 0815 sadistic evil antagonist, though. He's boring.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I still find enjoyment in that character. 'Feed her to the hounds' after his speech was pretty great.
That's real life. I mean Dick Cheyney or Ted Cruz aren't 100% bad either, but they still qualify as villainous bags of human fecal matter in my book.
People who are more bad than good can still qualify as evil, once the totality of their moral actions and outcomes are weighed.
I would say Jon, Davos, perhaps Bran, and Sam in his own way are the closest thing the show has to pure heroes. For the most part they're consistently selfless, honest, and demonstrate an aversion to violence, which are the key heroic traits, to me. Robb was too violent and ultimately selfish for me to classify him as such.
Nameless
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Yeah, he's certainly no Joffrey or Ramsay, or even a Roose or Walder. A lot of his douchebaggery stemmed from him trying to prove he was equal to the other Stark children while also dealing his own daddy & abandonment issues. Along those lines the choice Balon gave him was pretty impossible and he went so far as to write a letter warning Robb, which he burned, but it still showed just how agonizing of a decision it was. So no, he never was a complete piece of shit, but still fun to hate.
Also he was pretty much screwed either way. Had he remained loyal to Robb sure he doesn't end up a eunuch/torture slave , instead he's murdered at the Red Wedding with everyone else. And you're right Bran & Rickon would have likely been murdered by the Boltons outright.
I fail to see any good in Cersei. She's done things to protect her bastard children but that doesn't equate to good for anybody other than herself. What has she done thats for the good of anybody? She was ready and willing to even screw over Tywin for fucks sake.
Kenzodielocke
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I really hope Ramsay doesn't kill him. I want the writers to trick me. Ramsay tries to kill Walda or/and Roose but he is one step ahead of him.
JadedWriter
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Yeah I've enjoyed him since he was just cutting pieces off of Theon. Seeing him whack Theon across the face with a bugle, the same bugle that he used to taunt him while he was at Winterfell was hilarious. He's like the opposite of Roose. Roose will ally with you until he has no use for you, then he'll fuck you over and stab you in the heart. Ramsay will just find out how to stab you in the heart without even playing at the ally game. Though Roose is creepier. You see that man smile...
Kenzodielocke
Banned
But how does this work ? Isn't Ramsay officialy a Bolton now ? Would be kinda random if Roose just could take it back like it was nothing.
Not random. He was useful governing in his stead until he wasn't. He had sworn allegiance to Robb and we know how that ended.
JadedWriter
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The dudes flag has a skinless man hanging off of it. How trustworthy would you expect him to be?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
It's not about trust. I am just asking. If Ned had given Jon the Stark name, could Ned just take it again ? Just a political question.
I don't see much difference between Robb and Jon. They both broke a vow to be with a woman they loved. Jon executed a man under his command for disobeying orders. Robb executed a man under his command for murdering two children.
Ok yeah, that line was great. But other than that, meh.
JadedWriter
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Ned? No, since the guy stuck by his word. Roose on the other hand. Yes, his word don't mean shit. He does everything out of connivence to himself. This is a guy that picked the fattest Frey daughter because he'd get rich from it...don't ask me how he has sex with her though.
Netherscourge
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I fully expect Little Finger to take out Ramsay & Roose.
He has all the incentive in the kingdom to end the Boltons. They're literally blocking him from taking the North, not to mention they murdered Lady Stark and what Ramsay did to Sansa. Lord Baelish has a soft side for those two.
Little Old Man
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Exactly. There's a cunning to Ramsay, in addition to his brutality.
I do hope he recieves an equally gruesome death. Preferably from Brienne or Jon.
So where do we reckon Sansa will head? We know that Theon suggested heading to Jon at Castle Black, but even closer is the Last Hearth and the Greatjon? Other northern houses are possible to from where they are.
Plus we know the Boltons fight the Wildlings this season, so Ramsay looks like he will go through with his plan to attack Castle Black.
Yes, although if she found out she was I'd assume it would be aborted immediately.
It would be funny if Ramsay was actually infertile. He had a lot of sex with Myranda and she never had any kids. Or maybe she did and fed them to the hounds...
Netherscourge
Banned
ACTUALLY...
If Sansa is carrying Ramsay's baby, and say... Roose, Ramsay and the wife die...
Sansa becomes the Mother of the heir to the North.
Didn't one of the female characters in the show want to use some kind of birth control? This wooden piece. I think it was Sansa after marrying Tyrion. Maybe Myranda used the same.
Any baby she has would be the heir to the North. I can't see her wanting to keep Ramsay's demon seed.
Until Bran or Rickon shows up at least.
But a Bolton would inherit the north. Don't think she would want that.
True enough. Although, Jon's relationship didn't really jeopardize everything the same way. In fact, an argument could be made that it made what was essentially a deep cover op more effective and believable. Plus at the end he did stay true to the Watch, circumstances aside.
Additionally, if you watch both of those executions again, you might notice their demeanors are pretty different.
Jon is clearly reluctant. Despite their personal issues, there's no pleasure. He's somber; he has no desire to kill a brother. But the law is the law for good reasons and in Westeros it's ruthless.
Robb is committed to it from the start and the act is vicious and angry. It's very personal. I don't know about you, but I see contempt in his eyes. I think he enjoyed it.
Maybe Robb was a hero, but I think after that scene no longer. It's a good one that illustrates his fall.
For Jon, well, I suppose he isn't really a hero. Is anybody? But this is war and in another universe where he has the power to spare his brother and keep his own head a little longer, I believe he would. The closest thing.
Little Old Man
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Rickon will show up at the last battle, a brutal and fierce Shaggydog in tow, with an army of Northmen at his back, the Young Wolf Reborn!
Where did he go? Is he with Hodor?
lucebuce12
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The only reason I even remember his name is because Theonn Greyjoy once very weirdly said "Braaannn and Reeeekon Stark" in a very weird accent.
And Osha (tilty-head wildling woman), at Last Hearth (North-East of Winterfell) with House Umber ("Your meat is bloody tough!")
The Wildling woman (forgot her name) refused to go North of the Wall since she had personally seen the White Walkers and was scared shitless of ever going near them. Bran and her agreed that it was a good idea for her to take Rickon with her to a safe location.
Don't know if they ever said the exact location but she's hiding him with somewhere South of the Wall.
Sansa having a child isn't really very important when she's seperated. They need HER, she doesn't need them. The entire point of marriage is for them to sway the rest of the north by using her as a symbol of the Starks. If Roose and Ramsey die and Sansa is pregnant, nobody's going to care about the succession of the Bolton clan as nobody recognizes them as the leaders of the North in the first place, so it's immaterial if she has his kid or not to her, it's only important to Ramsay and Roose's control.
Remember she said she would train him as well.
TheChewyWaffles
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Shouldn't the title be "no book spoilers (LOL)" - aren't we past the books at this point?
lucebuce12
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So Arya will become a blind master assassin, Bran will control eagles with his mind and peck the eyes of his enemies, Rickon will master the techniques of the wildlings and fight with 2 axes, as the Old Gods intended, and Sansa will .... be rescued from some other situation she could've escaped or not gotten into.
There's a big difference in the magnitude of the two crimes, and Slynt was begging for his life, but I think I agree with you.
Wasn't the plan to take him to the Umbers? She said they were great warriors and could train Rickon.
Yes, but apparently there are storylines in the books that have not been done in the show and we have no way of knowing if they use them now.
But on a more serious note, what are these books you are talking about?
RustyNails
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I really hope we start to see the Boltons get disadvantaged and suffer. From Season 1 they have been smug bastards and two full seasons of Ramsay's unyielding torture porn, rape and violence. I really dont have any apetite to see Sansa/Reek getting recaptured. It's time for Ramsay's reign of terror to come to an end.
Hopefully Melly's visions come true and Jon fights in Winterfell.
Hopefully Melly's visions come true and Jon fights in Winterfell.
Goes well with the leaked pic of Gendry.
I can't see.... oh I get it.
I've always hated how the discussion is split 50/50 on Gaf. I almost wish that if this show was based on books, which of course they aren't because what the fuck is a book, that it wasn't so everyone could freely post in one thread.
Half the fun of GoT being back on the air is the Gaf thread but it could be so much better if those filthy leopard posters could also post in here.
Half the fun of GoT being back on the air is the Gaf thread but it could be so much better if those filthy leopard posters could also post in here.
You can just go into the other thread.
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