A sit-in.
A sit-in.
I have no idea what they possibly could be sitting in for.
Videogames, all of this over videogames.
A sit-in.
A sit-in.
I have no idea what they possibly could be sitting in for.
A sit-in.
A sit-in.
I have no idea what they possibly could be sitting in for.
Videogames, all of this over videogames.
Yeah, I've gotta distance myself from the entire GG/anti-GG debate now. I supported GG originally, and while I still think we need to always talk about ethics in journalism, there's so much vitriol in the debate right now that any discussion is rendered ineffective. Save it for a later time and later date when bigger problems come to light.
Staying neutral, it takes up way too much time and energy to even follow now.
Yeah, I've gotta distance myself from the entire GG/anti-GG debate now. I supported GG originally, and while I still think we need to always talk about ethics in journalism, there's so much vitriol in the debate right now that any discussion is rendered ineffective. Save it for a later time and later date when bigger problems come to light.
Staying neutral, it takes up way too much time and energy to even follow now.
Wasn't this about issues of nepotism and that bed of corruption in games?
What happened here? Was that a veil many used to just be shady people? I know GAF has had threads on corruption and the state of game journalism like Doritogate, but what this has evolved into seems far from video games and more of a sincere hate campaign.
A sit-in.
A sit-in.
I have no idea what they possibly could be sitting in for.
Let's get deeper:
All this over toys.
It's an entertainment medium and an art form.Videogames, all of this over videogames.
Some GamerGaters are trying to convince a woman about their cause the only problem is she is a bot.
https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%40ElizaRBarr
Are you just joining us?
Read the thread. Read the OP.
It was always a hate campaign.
To be fair, it's kinda difficult for someone to jump into a 120+ page thread.
While this has been amazing...
Seth Rogen drops this
240+ page thread for me. :3c
Haha love it. I hope more celebrities attack him.While this has been amazing...
Seth Rogen drops this
While this has been amazing...
Seth Rogen drops this
It's an entertainment medium and an art form.
Here's the thing: the vast majority of trolls and people who make threats are not "psychos". That is the truly terrifying thing. Most racists are not mentally ill or brain-damaged. Most violence in the world isn't carried out by clinical psychopaths. Completely ordinary and healthy human beings are capable of performing acts of terrible cruelty and violence. Why? Because of their environment. Their culture.
Passing off all of this as the actions of "psychos" is just burying your head int he sand. Internet trolling and threats is the product of an internet culture that has evolved, and by extension, that means that a lot of people who don't actively participate in that activity do share in the responsibility for maintaining that underlying culture.
To make an analogy: racism is still endemic in the United States. That racism is far too broadly practiced to pass off as the actions of a few random nut-jobs. Instead, it is cultural: the product of information and teaching that is passed from person to person, generation to generation. People partake in racism because they are taught that it is natural way of things, and even those who don't actively participate don't question it because it is "the way things are". As long as people can rationalize that events are logical or normal, they will happily pretend that they are not happening at all, simply because it doesn't directly affect them.
We are at a similar point with internet trolling: it is so common-place that people simply accept that it is the natural way of things, without actually examining the state of affairs. Trolling and internet threats didn't always exist; they are a phenomenon that evolved. Back when the word "trolling" was coined, it took a very different form: people trying to 'catch' newcomers to message boards who were not familiar with the local memes. Those were mostly harmless forum in-jokes, but the phenomenon evolved from there to become groups intentionally trying to rile up and inflict emotional harm on other groups.
I can't say I know the whole story, or really where the root of the problem is, but I don't want to just pass this whole detestable situation off as something that can't be changed. I don't want to go and pretend that this problem has nothing to do with me. If left alone, it will fester and grow worse. It really will become "the way things are" and become all the harder to root out.
If you have been the victim of threats and harassment online, you should sympathize with the goal of changing this problem.
Dat controlled narrative.
There's also that group of people who support some of the bullet-points of the hashtag movement and are summarily lumped into #gamergate to make them easier to dismiss.
Ya know.
Like you're doing.
Basically: bad people don't have to be mentally ill to be bad people. That's actually a really gross, damaging sentiment.
How does GamerGate even recover?
Say some people genuinely want to discuss ethics in journalism down the road and they use a different name or hashtag -- what's to stop the same sad dicks from poisoning the new conversation?
I seriously hope that in like, a year this will all be over and someone can start a legit movement about actual corruption in the video game industry.
If GG really wanted to move beyond the harrassment, they'd have ditched the Milos, the Sargons, the FarttoContinues, the Roguestarz. But they only get more popular.
It actually took far, far longer than I'm comfortable with for this to sink into my thick skull. When you finally detach yourself from GG, and move away from the constant reinforcement the group provides that "no, we're doing the right thing! These are the bad guys, remember how bad they made you feel? We're doing the RIGHT THING!" you look and see holy shit.
This really IS a hate movement fueled by nutters. How did I get dragged into this?!
I'd implore GG supporters to distance themselves from the tag, and from the community, and take a very good look at everything that's going on, and all of the people who are being hurt. Are videogame websites, that we don't even visit, worth peoples LIVES being ruined? It's so easy to feel like it's all just a game, because we aren't the ones on the other end of the hatred. It's easy to point at someone and call "false flag!" because we aren't the ones who are sitting there, having people actually show up on our doorstep, saying "come out and plaaayy". The ends do NOT justify the means.
We don't NEED #GG to do good. There are a lot of people who want to achieve the same goals as us, but we are RADIOACTIVE until we move away from #GG because of what it represents. We can't start enacting change when the people who actually could start making these changes happen want nothing to do with us.
yeah, i'm currently staring at an unlisted board on 8chan potentially detailing every address she's ever lived at. not linking for obvious reasons.
I don't have youtube right now. Soooo why should StopGamerGate shut up?So, apparently, "our" Boogie just made a YouTube video about why StopGamerGate should shut up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evjl4WdGY34#t=14
I don't have youtube right now. Soooo why should StopGamerGate shut up?
We can agree to disagree about video games, but you're right, that's a discussion for another time and placeSo, apparently, "our" Boogie just made a YouTube video about why StopGamerGate should shut up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evjl4WdGY34#t=14
So?
They are still video games which are still toys.
Or do you really want to go into a pedantic argument about what things are and are not in the context of a hate group thinking this is a civil rights movement over women in video games?
Repeat: they are not organizing a "sit in" because they want equal pay or something. They are doing it because a woman dares work in video games.
Out of curiosity, what does "ethics in journalism" mean to you? It's become this vague catch all for "stuff I don't like" that it's hard to pin down when somebody pops in and says that. And can you point to anybody who wants less ethics in journalism?
I couldn't finish but he kept talking about how he's been misinterpreted and doesn't fully support either side.... you're really gonna make me watch it, aren't you?
...if you didn't watch it yet, why the hell did you link it?... you're really gonna make me watch it, aren't you?
We can agree to disagree about video games, but you're right, that's a discussion for another time and place
...if you didn't watch it yet, why the hell did you link it?
That happens. Maybe you can bite the bullet and tell us about the video? I ain't watching....if you didn't watch it yet, why the hell did you link it?
So, apparently, "our" Boogie just made a YouTube video about why StopGamerGate should shut up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evjl4WdGY34#t=14
Can you really blame him for not wanting to? It is still relevant to the thread....if you didn't watch it yet, why the hell did you link it?
Mainly I was hoping GG would explore the relationship between media outlets and publishers through ad revenue and brand deals at some point, as that's where the problems really lie IMO. Of course it was never meant to be since the discussion got started and continued on for the wrong reasons, so shame on me for hoping it would happen.
... you're really gonna make me watch it, aren't you?
does mundane matt not remember when he tried to stop people from spreading the "reddit shadowbanned a dude for mentioning gamergate in an assange AMA" bullshit and they all called him a shill and turncoat for like a day
So now there is a legitimate "anti-GG" movement? Do we know who/what started this?
I just wanted to suggest that this article be added to the OP:
http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844
Anyone second the motion?
Got into this thread because even Joss Whedon is chiming in, apparently.
I had to google GNAA. It wasn't what I expected that's for sure.
That happens. Maybe you can bite the bullet and tell us about the video? I ain't watching.
Can you really blame him for not wanting to? It is still relevant to the thread.
What? I meant I disagree about video games being just toys and agree that this isn't the thread to discuss thatOkay, so what, in your mind, constitutes a sit-in for this? What are they sitting in for?
Because it's not for a video games right to be a video game.
Because I couldn't finish it, it was just him reiterating everything he's said on GAF. Starting with his persecution.
I read that as they were agreeing that only "crazy" or "mentally ill" people can do bad things is the dangerous sentiment. Or was hoping. I've been contemplating asking for a couple pages.What? Saying that normal people can do bad things isn't a damaging sentiment. It's the truth.
Joss Whedon @josswhedon · 20m 20 minutes ago
TERRORISM ISN'T BLOWING THINGS UP. IT'S USING THE FEAR OF VIOLENCE TO COW US AND CONTROL OUR ACTIONS.
I'm really unclear if he is calling GamerGate cowards or calling Anita a coward.
Is this thing done now? Can we play video games now without people on either side being harassed now?