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Gaming market in Brazil now earns more than the UK's
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The article didn't say it was hardware only.
Prince Vultan
Banned
The amounts those poor SOBs have to pay for stuff I'm not surprised.
Oh, right. It wasn't in the article but it was in the picture. Indeed is hardware only.
We do have a decent videogame market. Consoles and games are absurdly expensive here because of equally absurd taxes. That's the main problem. The sooner people realize it, sooner we can solve it.
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that's it.
Sooner or later Brazil will take over the UK but maybe in 2-3 years.
I still doubt what GFK said, the Uk market used to be 3x the italian market for instance, I doubt Brazilians buy more games per capita than italians.
sixteen-bit
Member
Yep, it only makes good business sense.
Remove the millions of poor living in Brazil and the numbers would be much closer, tho.
Sammy Samusu
Member
And this is just half of the story.
It's important to mention that MANY MANY people buy games and consoles from the grey market (myself included, even when it comes to digital services like eShop and PSN, I just bought Ace Attorney and Resident Evil off the NA eShop (Florida), for example).
3DS XL Formal: 1.200,00
3DS XL Grey: 700,00
PS3 Formal: 1.100,00
PS3 Grey: 800,00
And for those wondering, Nintendo pays DUST to Brazil, they really don't give a fuck.
Relevant to this thread: Capcom: Brazil is our second biggest market in the Americas
It's important to mention that MANY MANY people buy games and consoles from the grey market (myself included, even when it comes to digital services like eShop and PSN, I just bought Ace Attorney and Resident Evil off the NA eShop (Florida), for example).
3DS XL Formal: 1.200,00
3DS XL Grey: 700,00
PS3 Formal: 1.100,00
PS3 Grey: 800,00
And for those wondering, Nintendo pays DUST to Brazil, they really don't give a fuck.
Relevant to this thread: Capcom: Brazil is our second biggest market in the Americas
I'm really surprised a this news.
I'm surprised so many dumb fools buy their gaming hardware at official retailers in Latin America where they rip you the fuck off. I can only imagine how good sales would be if the prices were more in line with those in the states. At least game prices have come down, I think it's because they manufacture the games in Latin America now. A new PS3/PS4 game at an official retailer will go for $72 more or less in Peru, tax included. Used to be $90.
edit: Now that I think about it, if you remove the tax it's actually pretty close to $60... I guess we're doing it all right, although hardware prices are a problem. They really need to start making those sunnavabitches here too. The price for a PS4 is $685. That's just unacceptable. I imagine in the grey market those things will be $500-$600 for a long time. Although frankly I don't understand how these costs work out. Sony LED TVs are actually cheaper here than in America, fairly certain they don't make them here either.
I'm surprised so many dumb fools buy their gaming hardware at official retailers in Latin America where they rip you the fuck off. I can only imagine how good sales would be if the prices were more in line with those in the states. At least game prices have come down, I think it's because they manufacture the games in Latin America now. A new PS3/PS4 game at an official retailer will go for $72 more or less in Peru, tax included. Used to be $90.
edit: Now that I think about it, if you remove the tax it's actually pretty close to $60...
I guess we're doing it all right, although hardware prices are a problem. They really need to start making those sunnavabitches here too. The price for a PS4 is $685. That's just unacceptable. I imagine in the grey market those things will be $500-$600 for a long time. Although frankly I don't understand how these costs work out. Sony LED TVs are actually cheaper here than in America, fairly certain they don't make them here either. 
Mr Moose
Member
There's poor people in every country, though, so remove them from theirs too, then.
God Dayumm
Banned
Are they even trying tho? With the outrageous prices they sell their consoles at, I don't think so. Only Apple more or less, and Valve are actually pricing competitively in those countries, from the top of my head.
Android18a
Member
Not surprised, most of my friends here in the UK have really reduced the amount of games they buy. Outside of Pokemon and GTA (and maybe Fifa) I don't recall anyone I know saying they'd bought any games lately. And those we do buy are often second hand or massively reduced bomba prices.
Nobody here has the money to blow £45+ on a new game at launch.
Nobody here has the money to blow £45+ on a new game at launch.
silver.tongue
Member
I know, right?
People love GoW here. And since June everybody I know played the Last of Us too.
Even my Father (who knows nothing about video games) asked me what it was about because people at his work were talking about it.
Freaked me out a little bit.
Not pointing fingers, but this is how people try to justify piracy here.
They like to feel superior because they are not beeing exploited by the companies or the government.
All bulshit in my opinion.
silver.tongue
Member
True, but the number of people that can afford games/consoles in Brazil is probably lower than all the 3 above.
They are selling because they are new here. Gaming was a "hardcore niche" thing here until this generation and is really just hitting mainstream. There's a huge market to sell to if they can get the price right.
That's why Sony is screwed here. MS is gonna take a huge lead on the market and I doubt that most people will buy 2 consoles this gen.
For all the Summer, it's been the best selling console in UK. Probably, since Pokémon XL got released, it started selling better than everything else again, thanks to Pokémon X/Y coming shortly after. But yeah, France is European's strongest 3DS market right now, especially software-wise (while UK, despite some recent improvements for specific kinds of titles, is still the worst on this front).
Wow! Looks like Chile, Argentina and Brazil are important markets who represents South America. That's great but:
- When the videogames will be correctly priced (PS4 in Brazil for example, US$ 500 for a Wii U in Chile, US$ 89 for a game in the PSN Argentina)?
- When the online stores will be equally to important markets (USA, UK, etc), in content, prices and availability (I'm watching you, Nintendo)?
- When the dubbing and localization in videogames will be less "european spaniard" and more "neutral spanish" in the region (less modisms, or at least English with neutral subtitles)?
My two "pesos"...
PD: Sorry for my bad english...
PD2: Greeting from Chile
- When the videogames will be correctly priced (PS4 in Brazil for example, US$ 500 for a Wii U in Chile, US$ 89 for a game in the PSN Argentina)?
- When the online stores will be equally to important markets (USA, UK, etc), in content, prices and availability (I'm watching you, Nintendo)?
- When the dubbing and localization in videogames will be less "european spaniard" and more "neutral spanish" in the region (less modisms, or at least English with neutral subtitles)?
My two "pesos"...
PD: Sorry for my bad english...
PD2: Greeting from Chile
Well of course. UK hasn't been a relevant gaming market since the early 00's. Having seen the top 10 full of Fifia, COD and fucking Zumba, man we suck
To be fair, COD, Fifa etc... are top of pretty much every gaming market. They're popular titles with the masses.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Brasil should recieve more respect at the game scene. Its sad how everything here is not just high taxed, but also over priced by the market itself.
Sure a big portion of the population buy expensive stuff just "to show it". But also, is not everyone thats willing to buy at the grey market or import the console, and prefer to buy at the proper store to feel safe about the guarantees and access.
I was already prepared to pre-order a PS4 in a proper store, expeculating a real price with all the taxes included and some extra profit for the store / sony, but I could not expect that much at all (in reallity I was expecting almost half of the oficial price). As a result of it, I bought mine at Amazon.UK. Its not what I was expecting, neither what I wanted to, but I could not find a better solution to get my PS4 at launch, and Im not willing to pay 1830 dollars for a console that costs 399 dollars.
Also the games... Steam sells PC games for a fair price, but console games is still super abusive. A game of 60 dollars, costs to us 90 dollars even in digital purchase, at PSN or Xbox Live!! And the high taxes DO NOT APPLY at digital games!
Like a gamer I still dream to consume video-games officially in Brasil for a fair price. But by the reallity we live nowadays, I am a consumer that import almost everything thats game-related.
Sure a big portion of the population buy expensive stuff just "to show it". But also, is not everyone thats willing to buy at the grey market or import the console, and prefer to buy at the proper store to feel safe about the guarantees and access.
I was already prepared to pre-order a PS4 in a proper store, expeculating a real price with all the taxes included and some extra profit for the store / sony, but I could not expect that much at all (in reallity I was expecting almost half of the oficial price). As a result of it, I bought mine at Amazon.UK. Its not what I was expecting, neither what I wanted to, but I could not find a better solution to get my PS4 at launch, and Im not willing to pay 1830 dollars for a console that costs 399 dollars.
Also the games... Steam sells PC games for a fair price, but console games is still super abusive. A game of 60 dollars, costs to us 90 dollars even in digital purchase, at PSN or Xbox Live!! And the high taxes DO NOT APPLY at digital games!
Like a gamer I still dream to consume video-games officially in Brasil for a fair price. But by the reallity we live nowadays, I am a consumer that import almost everything thats game-related.
ReplacementPelican
Member
Considering they're charging $1850 for the PS4, is anyone surprised?
Yeah, I think that's the case. console gaming wise. But if you think about video games as a whole, China is probably already bigger than the US. If not yet, then soon anyway. Russia is pretty big too (outside consoles atleast) and India's growth rate has to be pretty massive too.
seattle6418
Member
I am shocked at those numbers. Compared to buying power, a game that retails here for 179 BRL is the same as paying 120 dollars in a game in the US, it´s still too much.
New games would sell a lot more here if they were 50-80 BRL. When the minimum wage is under 700 BRL, you are leaving a lot of the market in the dust with high prices.
I´m shocked because myself and my group of friends we´ve been gaming for what? Twenty years or so and it´s like we donpt exist, because nobody buys a single thing on those "official" retailers.
Living in the south of Brazil means we are right next to Paraguay, so gaming, for everybody that i know, has always being linked to the imports from Paraguay.
I wonder what the stats would be if the prices were right, like 600-700 for the consoles and 50-80 for games.
New games would sell a lot more here if they were 50-80 BRL. When the minimum wage is under 700 BRL, you are leaving a lot of the market in the dust with high prices.
I´m shocked because myself and my group of friends we´ve been gaming for what? Twenty years or so and it´s like we donpt exist, because nobody buys a single thing on those "official" retailers.
Living in the south of Brazil means we are right next to Paraguay, so gaming, for everybody that i know, has always being linked to the imports from Paraguay.
I wonder what the stats would be if the prices were right, like 600-700 for the consoles and 50-80 for games.
Making consoles cheaper in third world countries is something difficult because they are expansive to make, depending on the price it would mean losing a lot of money. Games on the other hand should indeed be cheaper. Sales in first world countries are usually enough to pay for development, so publishers wouldn't be losing anything releasing games for cheap in third world countries. Just region lock the consoles so Europeans and Americans can't import those cheap games.
Submarino Conversível
Member
Yeah, me too.
Can't complain about Steam prices, most games are cheaper here compared to the US (except Activision crap)
PandaPedinte
Member
Submarino Conversível;87603037 said:
You can check some data here. Brazil is responsible for 2.2% of Steam traffic same as Australia.