http://www.windowscentral.com/what-microsoft-revealed-about-xbox-and-windows-10-today-gdc
http://news.xbox.com/2015/03/xbox-gdc-2015
EDIT: I see where my error was. No problem.
The bigger man will admit to mistakes. Props.
http://www.windowscentral.com/what-microsoft-revealed-about-xbox-and-windows-10-today-gdc
http://news.xbox.com/2015/03/xbox-gdc-2015
EDIT: I see where my error was. No problem.
Yep.For people who are worried about loss of Xbox One sales, MS desperately needs their tablets and phones to sell, so Windows 10 UAP is huge for them. It will get people to invest in the ecosystem. The ecosystem is very important. Look at Apple and Android.
Why do people buy consoles to mainly play multiplats that are on PC?
As a PC only gamer nothing Phil blabbered on about was that impressive. I have zero interest in crossbuy because I will never own anything from Microsoft except for their OS. I certainly have no interest in their "Son of GFWL" that can die in a fire.
About the only thing that was of interest was the wireless joypad adapter but there was nothing concrete on it. No release date, no price. I imagine in true Microsoft style it will arrive fashionably late and cost the bloody earth. At this point I am finding the value controller a much more attractive option.
All in all I kinda want Microsoft to go back to ignoring the PC platform if all we are gonna get from them is a walled garden of shit.
For people who are worried about loss of Xbox One sales, MS desperately needs their tablets and phones to sell, so Windows 10 UAP is huge for them. It will get people to invest in the ecosystem. The ecosystem is very important. Look at Apple and Android.
For people who are worried about loss of Xbox One sales, MS desperately needs their tablets and phones to sell, so Windows 10 UAP is huge for them. It will get people to invest in the ecosystem. The ecosystem is very important. Look at Apple and Android.
Windows software sales from games is way more profitable than Xbox software sales. The sheer number of users on Windows, or will be on Windows 10 is gonna overshadow Xbox in probably a week.
It sounds kind of like a win-win to me. I would love to bypass the Xbox One and put that money towards a more capable machine. Microsoft still makes money off of me buying their games/services and they won't lose their shirt trying to entice me to buy a heavily subsidized console.Not that it's certain, but if it's better for consumers and better for MS then why do YOU care?
So... wait. If you have no intention of ever buying anything from Microsoft ever (sans OS)... why did you watch the event? Did you expect Phil would announce the formal closure of all non-Windows divisions of Microsoft?
Xbox hardware has no reason to go away. It just becomes a cheap fixed spec and gaming focused pc. They can refresh it much more frequently. It's win-win for MS.
Folks here that claim now they don't have reason to buy an Xbox because of this direction may never have bought one anyway. Many other people still will though that don't want to build their machines.
Yup, I'll gladly drop my iPhone and iPad for a nokia/surface, if windows 10 will work across all their devices.For people who are worried about loss of Xbox One sales, MS desperately needs their tablets and phones to sell, so Windows 10 UAP is huge for them. It will get people to invest in the ecosystem. The ecosystem is very important. Look at Apple and Android.
Not that it's certain, but if it's better for consumers and better for MS then why do YOU care?
I didn't say I care. I like the xbox as a console and thats why I like to talk about this. I'm also a PC gamer (and of all the other consoles as well) so I'm not losing anything.
The thing is, Sony and Nintendo think otherwise. Nintendo in particular knows, that their console is alive because of it's exclusives and only it's exclusives. And Sony doesn't port their first partys either, because of the same reasons.
So there is actually no reason to assume this decision won't hurt the xbox, the problem is it will not only hurt the xbox, it will actually help sony and nintendo.
People in here say microsoft will make money with windows and xbox games on windows anyway, but can this really compensate the losses? Steam has like 150mil users now. This means people who didn't spend money to get steam and might spend money using steam to buy games. Steam therefore isn't a platform like the ps4 or xbox1.
On the other hand we had like 300mil consoles last gen (x360+ps3+wii). Thats 300mil people who spent a lot of money just to get these consoles plus the games they will buy.
Losing xbox means losing alot in this scenario and even if they just give up the xbox brand what do they have to win? There is this juggernaut steam waiting for them, it's going to be hard enough to compete with steam anyway.
All I'm saying is we have wittnessed microsofts next big mistake and they had a pretty good track record so far.
They have to support the pc gaming market but this strategy is just crazy and against anything the market is indicating right now.
Online community, ease of use, play with friends, controllers, cheaper and the other reasons
I never denied that, but it won't make people buy xboxs it will make people buy xbox games.
And once again thats about the games but not about the xbox. You are all assuming
making money off of games is good enough. They WILL lose the xbox and the whole console market. They might still make a shitload of money with all those new customers but they will completly lose the console market.
We are not living in a world where the whole market it shiftig form consoles to pc. Consoles are doing better then ever and the pc is doing better then ever as well. Thats why microsoft want to support pc but they will lose the whole console market in the process.
I'm not saying it's a bad move for gamers, it's not even a bad news for microsoft's first party studios, but it will kill the xbox.
Some games will remain exclusive.
The problem is that what we're talking about is Microsoft attempting to take on Steam from effectively scratch (there's absolutely zero value in the Windows 8 Store). Considering they already tried twice and failed twice (GfWL and Windows 8), I'm not holding out much hope on their third attempt.
Bigger online community, ease of use, play with friends, controllers, cheaper and the other reasons
Agreed but the loss of xbox live subscriptions will make a big dent. A lot of store sales need to happen to make up for thatI think it's time to get perspective here: the traditional console market is not a growing one. It's not particularly profitable, either, even for the "winners" like Sony right now or Microsoft last generation.
I don't mean this to sound harsh, but the reality is likely this: if this realignment ends up costing MS in the console space, I'm sure they're okay with that, as long as they can gain in the tablet/PC/mobile space instead. The tablet/mobile/PC spaces are much higher margin and (in the case of the former two) growing very rapidly.
I don't think that's a foregone conclusion, though. It's possible that a fixed spec PC will provide a different value proposition to gamers that appeals to more people.
The problem is that what we're talking about is Microsoft attempting to take on Steam from effectively scratch (there's absolutely zero value in the Windows 8 Store). Considering they already tried twice and failed twice (GfWL and Windows 8), I'm not holding out much hope on their third attempt.
justsomeguy said:Agreed but the loss of xbox live subscriptions will make a big dent. A lot of store sales need to happen to make up for that
This has interesting implications for Xbox two... I see a few options...
1) Ms launch xb2 and announce that they're moving away from pc/console unified platform
2) MS launch xb2 and double down on unified platform, making it not as exciting as everything will just work on existing pcs
3) Recognising #2, xbox 2 has to be an absolute beast of a machine blowing away PCs of the day
4) No xbox two. Instead a "steam machine" kind of branding/approach
5) Streaming from cloud only, no more console as we know it
This has interesting implications for Xbox two... I see a few options...
1) Ms launch xb2 and announce that they're moving away from pc/console unified platform
2) MS launch xb2 and double down on unified platform, making it not as exciting as everything will just work on existing pcs
3) Recognising #2, xbox 2 has to be an absolute beast of a machine blowing away PCs of the day
4) No xbox two. Instead a "steam machine" kind of branding/approach
5) Streaming from cloud only, no more console as we know it
Yeah, Microsoft is almost certainly completely okay with making sacrifices in the console space if it yields gains in the tablet/PC/phone space.
Agreed but the loss of xbox live subscriptions will make a big dent. A lot of store sales need to happen to make up for that
This has interesting implications for Xbox two... I see a few options...
1) Ms launch xb2 and announce that they're moving away from pc/console unified platform
2) MS launch xb2 and double down on unified platform, making it not as exciting as everything will just work on existing pcs
3) Recognising #2, xbox 2 has to be an absolute beast of a machine blowing away PCs of the day
4) No xbox two. Instead a "steam machine" kind of branding/approach
5) Streaming from cloud only, no more console as we know it
This has interesting implications for Xbox two... I see a few options...
1) Ms launch xb2 and announce that they're moving away from pc/console unified platform
2) MS launch xb2 and double down on unified platform, making it not as exciting as everything will just work on existing pcs
3) Recognising #2, xbox 2 has to be an absolute beast of a machine blowing away PCs of the day
4) No xbox two. Instead a "steam machine" kind of branding/approach
5) Streaming from cloud only, no more console as we know it
Will be 4...with the difference being a set spec they can rev about every 4-5 years
Windows 10 App/Gaming store?
Assuming I get a copy of Windows 10, if I have an option to uninstall the Microsoft store, I will.
why go halfway with this?
what they need to do is bring it all over to their unified platform. they're not going to make headway with the big IP's being on the XB1 only. having Halo, Forza and Gears headlining the push will make people take notice. if they don't then it will probably be another GfWL failure.
I definitely agree with most of your reasons here, but bigger online community is completely false. League of Legends alone has a larger community than the entire Xbox One install base, by a wide margin.
But yes, ease of use and lower price are definitely two major drivers.
Less hacking tooI was replying to a comment about buying multiplats on console instead of pc. Multiplats have bigger online communities on current gen consoles than pc
Less hacking too
Assuming you are on Windows 7/8, you can for free during the first year of release. Secondly, you can't uninstall the store app. Thirdly, why would you? Seems preemptively dumb.
Yup, without the those big IPs, the pc userbase won't give a damn and MS knows this.
cakely said:I understand that Microsoft would like me to upgrade from Windows 7 to 10. I'm pretty happy that I didn't make the jump to Windows 8, so upgrading to Windows 10 is an "if". I don't care if it's a free upgrade, the money is not the issue.
I had the displeasure of using GFWL. It's not "dumb" to not want more intrusive bloatware on my PC.
I think getting Xbox and Windows 10 working together is the first step and eventually we're going to hear about some kind of Xbox interface for iOS, OSX, Android, etc. Heck, maybe we even see them make nice with Sony for a Xbox app on the next Playstation.
might be crazy to think but this could be the signal of MS getting out of the console hardware market. today's talk really hammers home the services/publisher trend.
might be crazy to think but this could be the signal of MS getting out of the console hardware market. today's talk really hammers home the services/publisher trend.
might be crazy to think but this could be the signal of MS getting out of the console hardware market. today's talk really hammers home the services/publisher trend.
I'm honestly thinking the next Xbox will just be a straight up Windows PC with the Xbox app front and center.
Really seems like MS is going all in on this push for unification. Will be easier for games/apps to work and be accessed across various Windows platforms in the future. Little to no "this game is cross-play/cross-buy but this other game (or app) isn't"-confusion.
The problem is that you are ignoring Apple and Google and their ecosystems.
I think it's time to get perspective here: the traditional console market is not a growing one. It's not particularly profitable, either, even for the "winners" like Sony right now or Microsoft last generation.
I don't mean this to sound harsh, but the reality is likely this: if this realignment ends up costing MS in the console space, I'm sure they're okay with that, as long as they can gain in the tablet/PC/mobile space instead. The tablet/mobile/PC spaces are much higher margin and (in the case of the former two) growing very rapidly.
I don't think that's a foregone conclusion, though. It's possible that a fixed spec PC will provide a different value proposition to gamers that appeals to more people.