Zoe
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She never said that, and she did try to offer hire salaries to female programmers.
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Google Employee's Anti-Diversity Manifesto Goes 'Internally Viral'
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She never said that, and she did try to offer hire salaries to female programmers.
That's my point.
Why? Female programmers have fewer opportunities. From a pure market perspective you should be able to offer them less for the same jobs. This isn't hypothetical -- we know that women do indeed make less! This is part of why.
Yet this writer strongly emphasizes that she paid these women programmers a "premium" -- more than everybody else was getting. That's very strange! Why did she do that? If these female programmers were only equally competent to everybody else, they would immediately be set up for failure, because they're getting paid more. If there's a problem somewhere down the road they will be the first targets. And hey, they got laid off for not contributing enough, it's like this theory predicts.
RedAssedApe
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http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/technology/culture/james-damore-interview/index.html
Trying to have his cake and eat it too.
Trying to have his cake and eat it too.
tearsintherain
Member
This is essentially the dirty secret of the tech industry, and its impossible to talk about because if you bring it up you are said to be sexist and no further discussion is allowed anymore.
I would submit its just part of the pipeline problem - women keep getting funneled out of tech at every stage from 1 year old to 30 years old, and so when your baseline group is only 20% the size of the other group (women and men) then of course finding the 10% of the group that is the absolute best in the field is going to stack the deck heavily towards men. Its 1000 men coders, 200 women coders, find the best 10, chances are they will all be men. Need it to be 500/500 to have a good shot at equality at startups and Google, Amazon, Facebook, etc.
The pipeline discourages girls at every step. Boy is into computers and video gaming at 5 years old, thats cool and his friends do it too. Girl is into computers? Eww, you don't want to grow up to be a nerd do you, nerds don't have boyfriends and don't go to prom. At 10-16 girls are discouraged in maths and some sciences (but not biology, weirdly) by their parents, peers, teachers, television, magazines, movies, everything. Girls are taught by everything they should care about taking care of others, animals, the environment, changing the world, etc. Boys just wanna play and code video games, race cars, and play sports and that is all heavily encouraged (to be fair boys are discouraged to be nurses, dancers, and other "feminine" careers).
Finally first day of computer science college classes, and a quarter of the boys are gonna be programming whiz's who have coded android apps and know perl, java, C++, can convert binary to hex easily and are incredibly intimidating to everyone around them. Combined with the coursework which is HEAVILY mathematically oriented the first year and it will cause a lot of people to drop out, including a lot of women. Sure, sexism and bigotry play a part every step of the way but this is not a problem human resources at Google is going to fix, its a problem parents and teachers have to fix among themselves but also peer pressure among girls has to change to not discourage "geeky" things. My daughters stopped playing their Nintendo DS's around 11 years old due to peer pressure and every kid's desire to be seen as cool by their friends.
Of course the sexism within the industry needs to be stamped out so girls who do graduate feel like its a place they belong and can thrive in, but just doing that alone probably won't change much.
It kind of solidify my belief that people turn into terrible being because of other persons in the end. They picked on him so he developed an hatred for women. I'm not defending his garbage views at all as I'm just trying to raise the point that society itself is responsible for the creation of its own awful individual.
MILO Meets James Damore
GAF will like that.
GAF will like that.
Didn't watch, good luck to anyone listening to Milo for an hour.
Just a guess... Does companies have to pay penalties if they have a strongly unbalanced men/women workforce, or unbalanced men/women average salaries?
Because in both case, that can explain why women could be paid more.
At the heart, there's the issue of women and CS... It's most probably a purely cultural issue, but it's sure hard to bring more girls to computer science. And I've "worked" with a lot of different ages, from 7-8 to 20+.
Once they're interested in the subject, I can't say I see a big difference (best students are most of the time men, but that's most probably an issue of starting earlier and an effect of sheer number), but I wish it wasn't so hard to convince a couple of women to go CS.
It's always CS < Maths < Physics < Chemistry < Biology in terms of women/men ratio (the midpoint being between physics and chemistry)
l2ounD
Member
Late to this whole thing, but listening to this I didnt know Engadget when writing about this they stripped out his references and then called it poorly sourced. Is that true or some Milo bs?
He looks exactly like someone who'd right that memo, E.T looking fucker lol.
Just once I'd like to see a 6'6" 240lbs 10% bodyfat chiseled jaw Brad Pitt look alike doing the usual redpill shit.
Epsilon-delta
Banned
You won't or it's very rare.
It's true, the actual document listed various source for anything that wasn't his conjecture and also had graphs.
James Damore is the man who went to the alt-right two days before they killed someone and then went back a week later, hoping no-one would notice. That should be his legacy. Fuck his stupid memo.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Due to youtube's algorithm being fucked beyond all hell it's probably best not to link to white supremacists channels like milo's. Also...
Blackquill
Member
Holy fuck at... everything, look at his @
When asked why there were mostly women programmers before the 1980s, dude says because they weren't really programmers and more like accountants lol.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Laughing at people trying to say this dude was anything other than a sexist shit
Dudes a sexist douchebag and everything after the fact has only confirmed this opinion.
Wrestlemania
Banned
I think this is the point where we just stop giving any attention to this guy.
This
The Jazz Cabbage Master
Member
this dude is a fukin loser who needs to fade into obscurity.
Wrestlemania
Banned
Why? What are they talking about that should be of any interest to anyone? They just want attention and we shouldnt be giving it to them.
Yeah, no need to feed this shitfest of a person's ego any more.
Ha, where is that comic from?Due to youtube's algorithm being fucked beyond all hell it's probably best not to link to white supremacists channels like milo's. Also...
Preacher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sHB2v5yl2E
Google douche gets interviewed by a non-alt-right outlet for once.
Google douche gets interviewed by a non-alt-right outlet for once.