Climate change discussion is brutal. One side you have people shitting on everyone for destroying the earth (fuck baby boomers, fuck conservatives) but at the same time taking no responsibility themselves. Me? what can I do? It's the government, they have to fix it. The other side you've got people rolling coal, complaining about taxes, maybe pepper a few conspiracy theories in there. I can't say either side is right but I do realize this issue, like all issues, is not black and white. There are a few people who actually want to discuss possibilities and solutions instead of fear mongering and blaming buy it's all lost in the noise.
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How climate change is rapidly taking the planet apart and towards human extinction
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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No, I mean if you want to say people who say civilization or humanity is ending are overblowing it, you need to step in with facts on why you're sure we won't end. What you're doing is just presenting the other side of the pointless back and forth. Where are your facts for this mature discussion you want?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Non-self-indulging governments in the majority of the countries would be a great start. Alas. "With power comes what? More power, silly."
Planet of the apes is our current situation, and things are only just getting downhill from here.
pr0cs
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What the government is doing is better? At best the taxes are a deterrent but most likely another way to pull money out of people's pockets as usual.
XOMTOR
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As an individual, I do what I can but I'd love to do more. I'd love to have a slew of solar panels on my roof yet my government has imposed a tariff on cheaper imported panels to protect one or two (publicly traded) Canadian businesses that are unable to be competitive. Even if I could afford the approx. $40k investment, there's only one province in this country that has an incentive program in place for you to tie your solar array back into the grid.
I'd also love to own an electric car, yet there are only 2 provinces with rebate programs in place and I don't live in either.
So what is my government's plan to help battle climate change? A carbon tax. So they're going to tax me more so I'll have less to spend on solar and electric while only a tiny fraction of that "revenue" will ever make its way to funding climate change initiatives. Governments like to talk the big talk about climate change but in reality they only do the bare minimum in order to get elected.
Peter Ian Staker
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The most important thing about any discussion is to find a way to feel superior to everyone else. A good way to achieve is to identify two "sides" and make them both look bad.
hydragonwarrior
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Lol politics IS a big factor though, at least in the US. If you look up Katherine Hayhoe, she's a scientist who has been working on helping others, particularly those with evangelist views, that climate change is real.
Her findings were that if religion was preventing them from believing in it, that can eventually be overridden with proof and evidence.
However - polticis? Nearly impossible. Conservative politics preach against climate change as hard as humanly possible and if you hear how it's "not real" or "made up" daily, you'll begin to believe it. With the great addition that they tell you not to trust anyone but conservative media to do your fact checking.
Case in point - all climate change deniers always go "Hey that one climatologist said that climate change was fake, and he was on greenpeace!" And using that as evidence versus the 99% other scientists who have claimed climate change is happening now.
THis shit is infuriating. You are right though that the government has to be initiating this, but the government should also quit having climate deniers in stations of power and learn how to educate the damn populous about these hazards that are coming for our grandchildren (sorry if this sounds corny but it's true).
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Based on what, though?
This thread is real bad in terms of "nah"s without facts backing up why. Which explains our position right now, really.
Well, yes, since they're using your taxes to fund scientists tackling these problems, because it's not exactly profitable for the private sector to do anything about this. Besides, they promote initiatives and laws to get your average idiot to do something about their everyday habits. The idea is to create policies which get society as a whole to respond. Individual action is ultimately fruitless.
Finally, someone who gets it.
Peter Ian Staker
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Based on the fact the research it puts forward varies wildly in terms of the prediction and the 2035 one is a bit sketchy.
Climate change is real but because this year has been particularly warm doesn't mean it has accelerated to the point that we will be fucked by 2035.
Not really.
I think this article is exaggerating quite a bit.
If it's not we're all fucked no matter what we do anyway.
Kill Your Masters
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Humans basically: we will be with God soon #yolo
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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We just broke the record for hottest year, nine straight times.
Earths record hottest 12 consecutive months were set in each month ending in September 2015 through May 2016.
"but because this year has been particularly warm"
Get real.
Bounceounce
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Heat Deaths gonna happen anyways.
Epsilon-delta
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Aye and we had a decent run!
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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We'll be seniors. We'll be the first ones to go. We are in the bleakest part of the darkest timeline.
Speak for yourself, I'll be like Denzel Washington meets Sly Stallone.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
This old?
Kill Your Masters
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We did? Haven't even managed to get off this rock.
If only Don Cheadle could actually turn them into trees.
There is no where better to go. I should probably move out of SoCal, this year long fire season and 6+ months of Summer is getting to be a bit much.
People barely get along on this rock, at our current rate we were never bound to colonize.
mckmas8808
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That's what I'm wondering? Like what does the world even look like before people start believing these scientist?
All depends on how the shareholders feel.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Too bad there's no afterlife, otherwise they might have been able to pay their way in with all that money like the Ancient Greeks believed.
Not really.
I think this article is exaggerating quite a bit.
Exaggerating that Florida's going to be wiped off the map? Because we can quibble about the timetables but it's going to happen. There's no way to wall off that much coastline, the tallest feature in Florida is a damn landfill, and the ground it is on is incredibly porous so that pumping water out just doesn't work.
The state is quite simply a lost cause unless we get global temperatures in check and start reversing the damage.
Do you think we are going to be extinct by 2035?
There absolutely are better places to go out there. We just don't have the technology to find and get to them, and never will at this rate.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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If a scientist has facts, what am I going to counter with? "Yeah, but what if you're just making this up because China wants us to destroy our own economy?"
I never owned a car, I bike everywhere I go, and I don't eat meat when vegetarian options are there. I buy used when possible.
I still own a computer that uses a lot of electricity for executing games and movies, I still order new stuff online dependent on transportation, and I have to use a plane to see my family and for work that requires me to use it (otherwise I get fired).
I am still part of the problem but it's really impossible to be part of contemporary western capitalist society without damaging the world. The alternative is to move into a forest and become self-reliant.
mckmas8808
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Nobody actually believes this will happen by 2035. Why the question?
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
That'd be among the more sane of excuses people will come up with to escape any responsibility when it comes to their way of life.
No not the "back to 100%" turnaround, the "it's too late to save anyone, abandon ship" turnaround point. If it were a viable option, I think people would be more likely to ditch the planet and move on than try to fix it.
mckmas8808
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If we have the means to leave the planet, then we'd have the means to live in a cleaner planet also.
Can I use Dick Cheneys 1% Doctrine here for Republicans? (Not assuming you are one, just using this in general)
"If there's even a 1% chance [global warming/human extinction from it] exists, we have to treat it as a certainty in terms of our response."
efyu_lemonardo
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There's no more reason for optimism than there is reason for pessimism. Even if there was a slim chance we could come up with a plan to fix this, what precedent can you point to that shows humanity is capable of working together or being smart enough to actually pull off something on a global scale?
If educated people stop having children then future generations will be even less educated.
I made a thread about exactly that recently, which was promptly ignored
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1240989
You two should check out my old thread as well.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1240989
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