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HuffPo "13 More 'Michael Brown' Police Killings"

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Malyse

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Here's what some of the most controversial police violence looked like in the past month alone:

Aug. 10​

On the evening of Aug. 10, an off-duty Dallas police officer confronted Andrew Scott Gaynier, an unarmed 26-year-old who was reportedly pacing up and down the street and making lewd comments to a number of women. Police say Gaynier didn't comply when an officer ordered him to show his hands shortly after attempting to enter a passing family's vehicle. A video shows that Gaynier then charged toward the officer, leading him to open fire on the suspect. Unnamed witnesses claim Gaynier shouted "shoot me" and screamed before rushing toward the officer. A witness also claimed the officer fired four shots, including three to the chest.

An investigation into the incident has been launched and the video of the shooting was turned over to a special investigative unit.

Aug. 11, case 1​

Veteran officers with the Los Angeles Police Department stopped Ezell Ford, a 25-year-old mentally ill man, about a block from the street he grew up on in the South Los Angeles’ Florence neighborhood on the evening of Aug. 11. Little is known about why the officers stopped Ford, but police say during that stop a scuffle ensued with Ford during which Ford reached for the officer’s gun. The partner officer then opened fire upon Ford. The police say Ford was rushed to a nearby hospital, and later succumbed to his wounds. However, eyewitnesses tell a much different story. They say that Ford was unarmed and was being compliant with the officers, lying on the ground when three bullets were unloaded into him by the police. Members of Ford’s community and family say that it was well known, even by police officers, that Ford was mentally ill.

Attorney Steven Lerman, who also represented Rodney King -- the man whose videotaped beating by LAPD officers following a high-speed car chase in 1991 sparked outrage around the nation -- took on the Ford case and has said that he intends to file a federal civil rights lawsuit over the shooting, which he described as an “execution.”

The LAPD recently released the names of the officers involved in the shooting, but has maintained an “investigative hold” on the Ford autopsy report. The LAPD’s Force Investigative Division and Robbery Homicide Division investigations into the shooting are ongoing.

Aug. 11, case 2​

Salt Lake City police officers were responding to reports of a man brandishing a handgun when they confronted 20-year-old Dillon Taylor outside a 7-Eleven store. Taylor was unarmed at the time, witnesses say, but some reports suggest that he may have reached toward his waistband before being shot by a police officer. Taylor's brother, who was with the 20-year-old when he was killed, said Taylor was wearing headphones at the time, so may not have heard the officers' command for him to put his hands in the air and get on the ground. Taylor died at the scene.

The South Salt Lake Police Department is investigating the incident, but has so far not released a ruling as to whether the officer was justified in firing the fatal shots. The officers at the scene were wearing body cameras during the confrontation, and investigators say the footage will be released when when the investigation concludes.

Aug. 12​

On Aug. 12 in Victorville, California, San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputies attempted to take Dante Parker, a 36-year-old father of five, into custody. Parker, who was biking at the time of the confrontation, was a suspect in a burglary, police said. When officers confronted him, they say he became "uncooperative and combative," and acted as if he was under the influence of an unknown substance. Officers deployed Tasers on him repeatedly, according to police officials, and Parker was later transported to a local hospital where he died. The San Bernardino County Sheriff's department is conducting an investigation into Parker's death, but the results have not yet been released.

Aug. 14, case 1​

On Aug. 14, the family of Omar Abrego, a 37-year-old father from Los Angeles, came forward to KTLA, claiming that Abrego had been beaten to death by police following a confrontation. The LAPD claims police attempted to pull over Abrego because he was driving erratically and almost hit a pedestrian. Officers say he attempted to flee, first in his vehicle, then on foot, before eventually being caught. In the altercation that ensued, police officials say Abrego suffered a laceration. Witnesses claim to have seen officers striking him on his head and face, however, with one saying the beating lasted 10 minutes. A cell phone video appears to show a motionless Abrego with a bloodied face, lying on the ground. An ambulance was called to the scene, and 12 hours later, Abrego was dead.

The LAPD says the two sergeants involved in the incident were injured as a result of the arrest and that the department has mounted an investigation into the incident.

Aug. 14, case 2
Police in Greeley, Colorado say they were responding to a 911 call reporting an intoxicated man armed with "two or three guns" on the morning of Aug. 14 when they encountered 21-year-old Jacinto Zavala. The military veteran reportedly had a brief encounter with police, officials say, during which he refused their commands to drop a weapon and instead pointed it at officers, leading them to shoot and kill Zavala. While police maintain that Zavala was brandishing an AR-15, his family has claimed he was armed only with a BB gun, and that he never raised it at the officers. The source of the 911 call, who claimed the suspect had PTSD, is also unclear. Zavala's family alleges that he didn't suffer from the disorder, but that officers should have behaved differently if they believed they were responding to a mentally unstable individual.

The Weld County District Attorney's Office is currently investigating the case, though details about incident have not yet been released.

Aug. 14, case 3​

On the morning that Diana Showman, a 19-year-old woman with severe bipolar disorder, was shot to death by police officers in San Jose, California, she called 911 reportedly telling dispatchers that she had a gun and was going to shoot her family. However, no one else was at home with Showman. When Showman later approached officers outside of her home with a large black object in her hand, the officers ordered her to drop it, but when she disobeyed the order, police say, an officer fired one fatal round. It was later discovered that the large object was a black cordless drill.

Showman’s parents, as well as local police, are demanding a thorough investigation of the shooting.

Aug. 14, case 4​

On the same afternoon, a veteran officer from the Phoenix Police Department arrived at 50-year-old Michelle Cusseaux’s apartment in order to transport her to an in-patient mental-health facility. Police say Cusseaux -- who was said to have serious mental illness which included schizophrenia, bipolar disorder and depression -- met the officer at her front door with a hammer in her hand when she was shot dead.

The Arizona Department of Public Safety will conduct a criminal investigation into the shooting after Cusseaux’s mother asked that the city use an independent agency to look into the incident.

Aug. 17​

On Aug. 17, Joshua Paul, a 31-year-old from Carpentersville, Illinois, was pulled over by police for a traffic violation. What happened next still isn't clear, but the officers informed Paul that he had an outstanding warrant for his arrest due to prior traffic violations, and attempted to take him into custody. Police reported a "brief physical struggle," which left Paul with a laceration under his chin that required on-scene medical attention from paramedics. The extent of his injuries was reportedly more substantially, because he was eventually taken to the hospital in an ambulance, where he died a few hours later. The cause of Paul's death and extent of his injuries have still not been released by officials, and the Illinois State Police Public Integrity Unit has launched an investigation into the incident.

Aug. 19
On Aug. 19 in Orlando, several people called 911 to report a man with a gun outside of a downtown nightclub, but that he hadn’t fired it yet. According to a police affidavit, police ordered Kody Roach, the gunman, to get on the ground, but when he started to back up toward the club again, witnesses say that policed fired as many as a half-dozen shots. Police say that during a police confrontation with the gunman, 22-year-old Maria Godinez was killed by a stray bullet fired by an officer. Roach survived the shooting and now faces a murder charge for the killing of Godinez.

The Florida Department of Law Enforcement has launched an investigation into the shooting.

Aug. 24​

Police in Ottawa, Kansas, say they responded to calls about unusual behavior from 18-year-old Joseph Jennings and reports that he may have had a gun. Officers said that when they arrived in the parking lot of a local hardware store on the afternoon of Aug. 24, Jennings ignored police commands. That’s when police fired upon Jennings. But witnesses say Jennings may not have had a gun at all, and that police may have fired more than 15 rounds at the teen who had left a psychiatric hospital just hours before. Family members also said that police were aware of Jennings' mental state and had made several recent trips to his home because the young man had been having suicidal thoughts brought on by what his family described as painful seizures.

The case has been taken over by the Kansas Bureau of Investigation.

Aug. 28​

Police say they received 911 calls on the morning of Aug. 28 describing a man walking down a street wielding a pipe and bashing in windows. A witness described the man as homeless, and he was later identified as 36-year-old Guillermo Canas. St. Paul Police Chief Tom Smith said that the man was attacking officers with rocks and had also apparently attacked a school bus with a metal pipe. Witnesses say that when police arrived, the man was throwing rocks and trying to punch police officers just before he finally charged at one of the officers and was fatally shot.

Sept. 3​

Earlier this month, the family of Marlon Horton filed a civil rights lawsuit over the fatal shooting of the 28-year-old man by an undercover Chicago police officer the year before. Horton was reportedly attempting to visit his girlfriend on the morning of Sept. 7, 2013, but a lawsuit claims that his cell phone battery had died, leaving him unable to call his girlfriend to get into her building. Horton then asked two building security guards, one who turned out to be an off-duty Chicago police officer, to let him into the building. When the pair of guards refused to let him in and asked him to leave, Horton allegedly began to urinate near the police officer’s car and a scuffle began. It ended with Horton being shot as he moved toward the off-duty police officer.

Transcripts from 911 calls allegedly reveal a dispatcher instructing the off-duty officer to give Horton medical assistance after Horton had been shot, but security video from the scene of the shooting shows no assistance was given, according to a lawsuit launched by the family.

The family’s attorneys say that had Horton been white, he would not have been shot and killed. The Chicago Independent Police Review Authority is investigating the incident.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/police-killings-since-michael-brown_n_5788412.html

I'll take this opportunity to remind you that a black person is killed by an authority figure once every 28 hours.
 

ponpo

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I don't know what the occurrence of events was with Michael Brown, but he was at least unarmed wasn't he? I don't know if I'd compare most of these situations to that since a lot of them seem to be armed or attempting to attack the police or something.

Still excessive force probably but a little different.
 

wildfire

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Two of these are seriously a stretch or don't fit at all as an injustice instead of a sad consequence of events.


All the others though fit the bill.
 

Jon Armdog

Member
Im sure ill get GAF-blasted, but I just want to point out that every 87 hours a police officer was killed last year. And that was lower than most years.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html

I'm not excusing any specific example, but I think its good to take a step back and realize how terrifying law enforcement can be. Not knowing if you are actually coming home to your family or not, simply because this time, the lunatic who ran towards you suddenly actually had a knife.

The point is, each situation and incident has to be looked at based on its own facts, the totality of the individual circumstances. Maybe it was a bad cop, maybe it was an unfortunate misunderstanding, or maybe it was a scumbag who wanted to kill a cop.
 

JDSN

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Im sure ill get GAF-blasted, but I just want to point out that every 87 hours a police officer was killed last year. And that was lower than most years.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html

I'm not excusing any specific example, but I think its good to take a step back and realize how terrifying law enforcement can be. Not knowing if you are actually coming home to your family or not, simply because this time, the lunatic who ran towards you suddenly actually had a knife.

The point is, each situation and incident has to be looked at based on its own facts, the totality of the individual circumstances. Maybe it was a bad cop, maybe it was an unfortunate misunderstanding, or maybe it was a scumbag who wanted to kill a cop.
You should make a thread about it, instead of going #notallcops in a thread that mentions a unarmed slain teen.
 

Jon Armdog

Member
You should make a thread about it, instead of going #notallcops in a thread that mentions a unarmed slain teen.

Actually, the thread is about other police involved shootings, including victims who attacked the cop, as well as victims who didn't. So, yeah...I don't get your point. Its a broad thread about multiple situations.
 

Enzom21

Member
Im sure ill get GAF-blasted, but I just want to point out that every 87 hours a police officer was killed last year. And that was lower than most years.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html

I'm not excusing any specific example, but I think its good to take a step back and realize how terrifying law enforcement can be. Not knowing if you are actually coming home to your family or not, simply because this time, the lunatic who ran towards you suddenly actually had a knife.

The point is, each situation and incident has to be looked at based on its own facts, the totality of the individual circumstances. Maybe it was a bad cop, maybe it was an unfortunate misunderstanding, or maybe it was a scumbag who wanted to kill a cop.

Are you not disturbed by the fact that it is more dangerous to be black around law enforcement or figures of authority than it is to be a cop? As a cop there is a certain expectation that there will be some danger to your job but as a black person I shouldn't have to fear that some cop will kill me.
 

Jon Armdog

Member
Are you not disturbed by the fact that it is more dangerous to be black around law enforcement or figures of authority than it is to be a cop?

I don't agree that its more dangerous. But, I do agree that is is disturbing that the degree of danger you face from police varies depending on your race.
 

Malyse

Member
Im sure ill get GAF-blasted, but I just want to point out that every 87 hours a police officer was killed last year. And that was lower than most years.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/year.html

I'm not excusing any specific example, but I think its good to take a step back and realize how terrifying law enforcement can be. Not knowing if you are actually coming home to your family or not, simply because this time, the lunatic who ran towards you suddenly actually had a knife.

The point is, each situation and incident has to be looked at based on its own facts, the totality of the individual circumstances. Maybe it was a bad cop, maybe it was an unfortunate misunderstanding, or maybe it was a scumbag who wanted to kill a cop.

The fact that you think a black person getting killed every 28 hours is remotely comparable to a cop every 87 hours is ludicrous. You choose to be a cop. You can quit being a cop. You have times when you are off duty and not actively a cop. Plus, cops are kind of expected to have to deal with situations where they might get shot at. Ya know, that's why they get the guns and the body armor
and the tanks
. I can't even begin to understand why you felt a need to being up this utterly irrelevant derailment, but I'm not willing to allow you to turn this into a "Cops have is bad too" pseudo oppression Olympics. Sorry. Ain't got time for that shit.

You want to talk about terrifying? How about knowing that you might not walk away for a cop simply because he's having a bad day? How about knowing that you can be murdered in the street with impunity and the first fucking thing people will do will be try to figure out why you deserved it? How about the fact that this is statistically less than half of the people who have been gunned down in the past month by the authorities?

Your post was fucking awful, dude.
 

Jon Armdog

Member
No, there was nothing "awful" in that post ffs. Your response to basic facts is 'no u'. Pathetic

Ha ha, okay. Look, the OP basically stepped in and said, "everything you said sucks." What do you want me to say to that? The fact that someone knows a job is dangerous doesn't diminish the danger they face.

All I was trying to do was add some nuance to a thread that was going to be a "cops are horrible" rager. I agree that there are major issues in law enforcement in this country. But hey - bash away.
 

JDSN

Banned
Actually, the thread is about other police involved shootings, including victims who attacked the cop, as well as victims who didn't. So, yeah...I don't get your point. Its a broad thread about multiple situations.

The very clear term of it is minorities being slain by police in the context of the Michael Brown shooting, you are turning it into something entirely different and off topic, telling the dude that actually read and posted the article that his post was horrible doesnt help either.
 

Enzom21

Member
I don't agree that its more dangerous. But, I do agree that is is disturbing that the degree of danger you face from police varies depending on your race.

How is it not more dangerous to be black? A cop can stop being and they are not always on duty, I am always black.

More importantly:
A black person killed every 28 hours by law enforcement vs a cop killed every 87 hours is pretty self explanatory.
 
How is it not more dangerous to be black? A cop can stop being and they are not always on duty, I am always black.

More importantly:
A black person killed every 28 hours by law enforcement vs a cop killed every 87 hours is pretty self explanatory.


Yeah....I was wondering what they were trying to get at with that statistic....I wonder what the stats are for Black Cops?
 
How is it not more dangerous to be black? A cop can stop being and they are not always on duty, I am always black.

More importantly:
A black person killed every 28 hours by law enforcement vs a cop killed every 87 hours is pretty self explanatory.
This argument is dumb but uh, you realize cops make up like .0005 of the population and black people like 15%.
 

Malyse

Member
I don't think you can write a definition of clickbait better than this title. HuffPost continues to be so awful.

Yep Huffington Post with their click bait titles.

Completely off topic, but shout out to polygon.

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Jon Armdog

Member
The very clear term of it is minorities being slain by police in the context of the Michael Brown shooting, you are turning it into something entirely different and off topic, telling the dude that actually read and posted the article that his post was horrible doesnt help either.

Actually, that's not quite right. These are examples of people being slain by police. Not necessarily minorities. I looked up the first three examples, and two of them are white dudes who were killed.

Before you jump all over me - YES, there are definitely major race issues in the U.S., especially related to interactions with the police. But based on the provided examples from the sourced article, it's about police shootings involving a broad spectrum of victims.


The first three victims:

http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2014/08/dallas-police-investigating-officer-involved-shooting.html/

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ezell-ford-witnesses-20140902-story.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/3/justice-dillon-taylor-after-white-utah-man-fatally/
 

AJLma

Member
Some of these are obviously some different circumstances and grouping them as "Michael Brown" killings cheapens what happened to him.

All examples of police brutality.

Whatever title they need to use to get more attention on the issue is good in my book.

EDIT: All of these victims aren't black either.
 

Enzom21

Member
This argument is dumb but uh, you realize cops make up like .0005 of the population and black people like 15%.
There is a reasonable expectation of danger when you're a cop. There shouldn't be the same expectation for black people when dealing with cops.

Dude just get back to WrassleGAF. Their is no point in getting banned for having a different opinion.
What different opinion would that be?

Edit: I see you edited "different opinion" out.
 

Exr

Member
Ha ha, okay. Look, the OP basically stepped in and said, "everything you said sucks." What do you want me to say to that? The fact that someone knows a job is dangerous doesn't diminish the danger they face.

All I was trying to do was add some nuance to a thread that was going to be a "cops are horrible" rager. I agree that there are major issues in law enforcement in this country. But hey - bash away.

Nobody thinks all cops are horrible. People are instead expressing anger towards the trend of brutality on minorities. Coming into these threads and saying "Not all cops are bad people" is an obvious fact that doesn't need to be said. I understand that you're saying sometimes the officers are the ones that are forced to violence, but certainly you can acknowledge the concerning way minorities are often treated by many police.
 

Enzom21

Member
Well let's say I didn't edit it out. Is there something truly wrong about Mr. Awesome defending the action of the police in some of these situations?

Why is it necessary to defend cops in a thread about cops doing bad things?
What you replied to wasn't him defending cops though... so what different opinion?
 

Schattenjäger

Gabriel Knight
Why is it necessary to defend cops in a thread about cops doing bad things?
What you replied to wasn't him defending cops though... so what different opinion?
Cops doing bad things?

Seems most of those cases are pending investigation

Discussion is encouraged around these parts ..

Maybe you should start your own bash cops thread with a disclaimer that this thread is only to bash cops..
 

Gonzalez

Banned
Why is it necessary to defend cops in a thread about cops doing bad things?
What you replied to wasn't him defending cops though... so what different opinion?
Him calling it "clickbait" would mean he wasn't fully on board for all these being called "Michael Brown" situations.
 

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
That is truly staggering. I'm on mobile and I kept on expecting this story I be the last one as I read it. Holy shit.
 
Schattenjäger;129253091 said:
Cops doing bad things?

Seems most of those cases are pending investigation

Discussion is encouraged around these parts ..

Maybe you should start your own bash cops thread with a disclaimer that this thread is only to bash cops..

Yea, you're probably right. On the other hand, if you go into a thread about rape just to say #notallmen, you're kind of an asshole.

It's a judgement call really.
 
The way I see it, this issue boils down to two problems: racist cops and trigger happy cops, and where those two groups intersect. We have to fix both. If we end the racism somehow, that just means percentage wise, less unarmed black men will be getting shot, but still the shooting of unarmed black (and white) people will continue. If we fix how trigger happy cops are, we still have minorities being unfairly harassed.

It might seem like these problem can never be fixed. It's been 23 years since Rodney King and this is still going on. But what's different this time is social media. Everyone has a video camera in their pocket, and now whenever there's a confrontation with cops, those cameras come out. The evidence will be overwhelming. We just have to keep uploading those videos, keep tweeting, keep demanding these issues be fixed, and we can finally make some real progress.
 
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