yaffi
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I think I'm going to start hate-playing NISA games
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No. You are wrong.
Love Deterrence
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Whatever floats your boat, OP.
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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I don't think NIS games use MIDI. They make some pretty unique stuff imo.
I don't really see what the point is to playing games that don't appeal to you in any way. They take a while to beat so I'm wondering for how long can you and your friends laugh at characters walking up and attacking each other before it becomes forced.
I don't really see what the point is to playing games that don't appeal to you in any way. They take a while to beat so I'm wondering for how long can you and your friends laugh at characters walking up and attacking each other before it becomes forced.
itzknickknac
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So you played Disgaea and decided that rest of NISA games are "stale and janky." Reading up on a game is like judging a movie after watching a trailer. Forgettable soundtracks? Play Mana Khemia, Ar Tonelico 1/2, or recent Atelier games. You'll see how wrong you are. Enjoy 'hate-playing' NISA games, just be sure not to choose the wrong games like Disgaea.
You probably haven't heard of HyperDimension Neptunia (vanilla). Nothing can be worst than that. The only good thing out of that game is the somewhat amusing, satire-filled dialogue.
yaffi
Member
Well, there's Time & Eternity.
Disgaea 4 is excellent. Playing on Vita after the latest sale. I haven't played a Disgaea game since 1 though so I haven't burned myself out on the series. What I loved about Disgaea is all here though: the crazy strategies that somehow still manage to give the gameplay considerable depth (like throwing allies/enemies and Geo puzzles) and the light-hearted, self-aware dialogue and writing.
If you hate SRPGS then all right, but I'm confused by what seems to be an intent to blame the decline of JRPGs on SRPGs.
As for Atelier, I played Totori Plus and thought it was average in virtually every respect. Boring opinion end.
If you hate SRPGS then all right, but I'm confused by what seems to be an intent to blame the decline of JRPGs on SRPGs.
As for Atelier, I played Totori Plus and thought it was average in virtually every respect. Boring opinion end.
itzknickknac
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I've put in a couple of hours into that game, so I don't really have a solid criticism yet. But, I think the gameplay is definitely better than HDNep. HDNep had repetitive and highly boring dungeon crawling, slow battle animations (thank goodness you can skip it but still slow), and hypnotic soundtracks that'll put you to sleep. Time & Eternity has at least a charm. But again, I haven't played enough of it to make a statement :\
OP, add these to your hate-play list.
yaffi
Member
I finished the game. It's not that the gameplay per se is bad; it's just awfully repetitive and everything else screams low budget. The plot is a mess, so are the characters. It's ugly and runs really bad.
They probably blew all the money on the japanese voice actors and maybe the soundtrack.
Leafhopper
Banned
They could have gone cheaper than Yuzo Koshiro for sure.
Elaugaufein
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Disgaea D2s post game is kind of terrible if you're going to do the whole thing. The last 2 battles don't so much have a steep difficult curve as they are a pair of difficulty step functions. The late post game is one of the few areas where they didn't tone down the grindiness and luck (read reset) based gameplay a bit. Up to that point its pretty fantastic though (although I think the Mount system is worse than Magichange/Fusion).
I don't remember where I heard this but from what I understand, for every good/big game NISA localizes, they also have to bring over developers' smaller, worse performing games, as a package deal of sorts. It might explain some things really.
Also, OP, if you don't mind, could you keep us updated on what you go through? I'm genuinely interested in this idea.
Personally I think TWatHK actually has a decent story that doesn't really start till chapter 9, and is buried behind loads of tedious stuff, and that one scene people complain about. I think most people just didn't expect to be playing someone as dickish as Kratos in an anime game (even if she's completely justified by everyone else being way worse).
Also play on Casual Mode and any other easy modes in other games. Sounds like it'd be more conductive for hateplaying.
Also, OP, if you don't mind, could you keep us updated on what you go through? I'm genuinely interested in this idea.
Personally I think TWatHK actually has a decent story that doesn't really start till chapter 9, and is buried behind loads of tedious stuff, and that one scene people complain about. I think most people just didn't expect to be playing someone as dickish as Kratos in an anime game (even if she's completely justified by everyone else being way worse).
Also play on Casual Mode and any other easy modes in other games. Sounds like it'd be more conductive for hateplaying.
Barrylocke
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NIS/NISA was behind Zettai Hero Project: Unlosing Ranger Vs. Darkdeath Evilman on the PSP...so it really isn't all bad. A fun Mystery Dungeon style game that uses a lot of the more unconventional NIS mechanics like throwing to mix it up.
Plus I really like their music.
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Plus I really like their music.
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Dr. Black Jack
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A quick bit about my music comment: I'm sure the music has gotten better. Keep in mind my only experience with NISA game music is watching my wife play two games 11-12 years ago.
So I just booted up Mugen Souls Z and watched the intro...
This is exactly the kind of beautiful horseshit I was wanting it to be. When the red ship thing showed up I was like "PLEASE TURN INTO A ROBOT" and then it did and I was like "yaaaaaasssssss". Waiting to actually play the game until my buddy comes over. I'm hoping this game becomes our I, Frankenstein of JRPGs.
So I just booted up Mugen Souls Z and watched the intro...
This is exactly the kind of beautiful horseshit I was wanting it to be. When the red ship thing showed up I was like "PLEASE TURN INTO A ROBOT" and then it did and I was like "yaaaaaasssssss". Waiting to actually play the game until my buddy comes over. I'm hoping this game becomes our I, Frankenstein of JRPGs.
Kresnik258
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What a strange post. I think it's pretty difficult to lump all of NISA's output into one thing like you have done.
But even if you could, I have no problem with people not liking that kind of stuff. But playing it knowing full well you don't like it. Huh?
I'm extremely grateful for what NISA do. We just wouldn't be getting these games in the west without them. Yes, they're not the stellar, epic JRPG's I was playing from the PS1 era. But they pretty much flat-out died out after the PS2 era. There's no alternative. These games keep the gameplay that I grew to love but just put them in different settings.
I'm actually beginning to enjoy stuff like Atelier more these days. It's such a change of pace from every other "save the world" JRPG.
But even if you could, I have no problem with people not liking that kind of stuff. But playing it knowing full well you don't like it. Huh?
I'm extremely grateful for what NISA do. We just wouldn't be getting these games in the west without them. Yes, they're not the stellar, epic JRPG's I was playing from the PS1 era. But they pretty much flat-out died out after the PS2 era. There's no alternative. These games keep the gameplay that I grew to love but just put them in different settings.
I'm actually beginning to enjoy stuff like Atelier more these days. It's such a change of pace from every other "save the world" JRPG.
Dr. Black Jack
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So, update.
I haven't made as much headway into this as I had wanted to (and with the FFXVI demo/Bloodborne/Mario Party 10 trifecta I probably won't anytime soon), but I did manage to play a few of the games.
Picked up the original Mugen Souls for cheap and started playing that instead of Z...dear god, it's perfect for this. Everything is so completely jank and unpolished it's almost admirable. My buddy bailed after the initial bath house scene (because OF COURSE this game would have a fucking bath house scene) so unless my wife wants to share the pain I might be doing this one solo.
The Witch and the Hundred Knight was just boring. We barely made it through the opening 40ish minutes without me nodding off. I might have to solo this one for a while until I get to something truly terrible.
I know it's not NISA but I picked up Akiba's Trip to see what it was about...pretty good! It rides the line between homage and satire of otaku culture and has a decent combat system to boot. Might have to upgrade to the PS4 version if it starts to become scarce.
Also I got Hatoful Boyfriend on a Steam sale a few weeks back...amazing game. I'm totally going to double dip on the PS4 version.
I haven't made as much headway into this as I had wanted to (and with the FFXVI demo/Bloodborne/Mario Party 10 trifecta I probably won't anytime soon), but I did manage to play a few of the games.
Picked up the original Mugen Souls for cheap and started playing that instead of Z...dear god, it's perfect for this. Everything is so completely jank and unpolished it's almost admirable. My buddy bailed after the initial bath house scene (because OF COURSE this game would have a fucking bath house scene) so unless my wife wants to share the pain I might be doing this one solo.
The Witch and the Hundred Knight was just boring. We barely made it through the opening 40ish minutes without me nodding off. I might have to solo this one for a while until I get to something truly terrible.
I know it's not NISA but I picked up Akiba's Trip to see what it was about...pretty good! It rides the line between homage and satire of otaku culture and has a decent combat system to boot. Might have to upgrade to the PS4 version if it starts to become scarce.
Also I got Hatoful Boyfriend on a Steam sale a few weeks back...amazing game. I'm totally going to double dip on the PS4 version.
Disgaea 4 and D2 are both fantastic.
ZHP is amazing.
Both Prinny games are amazing.
I enjoyed Makai Kingdom, Phantom Brave and La Pucelle enough to not be disappointed.
Only a bit into Witch and the Hundred Knight but it's certainly not as good as other NIS games.
Of course NISA publishes a bunch of non NIS games as well, can't speak to most of those though. Except Dragon's Crown and both Danganronpa games. Those are great.
ZHP is amazing.
Both Prinny games are amazing.
I enjoyed Makai Kingdom, Phantom Brave and La Pucelle enough to not be disappointed.
Only a bit into Witch and the Hundred Knight but it's certainly not as good as other NIS games.
Of course NISA publishes a bunch of non NIS games as well, can't speak to most of those though. Except Dragon's Crown and both Danganronpa games. Those are great.
Dr. Black Jack
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Thanks to GameStop's current B2G1 sale I've grabbed a bunch more of these:
Disgaea 3
Disgaea 4
Disgaea D2
Hyperdimension Neptunia
Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2
Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory
The Guided Fate Paradox
Time & Eternity
I've only had a chance to play The Guided Fate Paradox so far...and I'm kind of liking it! The opening song is all kinds of delicious ridiculousness, and the setup/dialogue seems to be decent. Haven't had any gameplay yet though.
If GS is open today I might try to grab a few more and spend the next couple of days playing the intros.
Disgaea 3
Disgaea 4
Disgaea D2
Hyperdimension Neptunia
Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2
Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory
The Guided Fate Paradox
Time & Eternity
I've only had a chance to play The Guided Fate Paradox so far...and I'm kind of liking it! The opening song is all kinds of delicious ridiculousness, and the setup/dialogue seems to be decent. Haven't had any gameplay yet though.
Hyperdimension Neptunia makes me feel like a pedo, and I was super embarrassed buying them. I might not be able to sit through those.
If GS is open today I might try to grab a few more and spend the next couple of days playing the intros.
djplaeskool
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Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.
please don't insult the best JRPG of the last generation
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
RIP
Don't you dare shit on Disgaea. SMH. Disgaea series is one of the last great SRPG series left. Intricate systems, charming cast usually with comedy throughout and tons of replay value.
brah it's easter.
The good lord didn't die for you to spend a free day buying "shitty" games just for you to hate them
kunonabi
Member
The Witch and the Hundred Knight is probably the only NISA game I really enjoy. If it wasn't for the god awful grinding on normal it could have been something amazing. The characters and story are pretty great aside from a few issues with the later chapters though.
OriginalJonty
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You're going to get Witch & The Hundred Knight? If you value any of your time and money just don't. Hate playing is one thing but that game will take you to a whole new level.
EmptySpace
Banned
someone has too much time on their hands.
Junahu
Member
Because RPGs require a much much larger time investment, and are relatively low in direct interactivity. You won't see the graphics glitching out, or a physics error propel Laharl 7 miles away. You'll be playing for the cutscenes and the actual game mechanics. You're gonna get real bored if you don't like either.
But if you still want that, a JRPG so rediculous and dumb that it becomes a parody of itself, then Disgaea 3 is made just for you.
And that's not an insult to the game, Disgaea 3 is genuinely the idea of a dumb JRPG distilled into game form, it's designed that way more than any other game from NISA's library.
Leafhopper
Banned
I wanted Witch and the Hundred Knight before it came out. Is that game considered bad? It was the first NIS game I wanted for awhile but then kinda forgot to get it.
I wouldn't say it's bad, it's just not anything special. The gameplay is fairly fun and some of the characters are likable, but the graphics are really dated
Keep them sealed. Some say merely opening the packaging will cause the doors on your home to seal, your food to morph into bags of cheetos and your bank account to drain in return for hundreds of dollars of skimpy anime figurines, delivered by a courier who can only look at you with a vague sense of pity as he holds his nose and throws the packaging into your hand, struggling to stay conscious thorough the pungent odor emitting from your unwashed body.
Jokes aside, Disgaea is a fantastic SRPG series. It doesn't hold up in maturity to stuff like Final Fantasy Tactics and Tactics Ogre and it isn't as insanely over the top as the Super Robot Taisen series, but it strikes a good balance between the two. I'm also glad that NISA localizes some of the more obscure games like the recent under-the-radar fighting game, Under Night In-Birth. They definitely bring out some real otaku-bait games, but they're easy enough to avoid if you know what to look for, which is to say, ignore any games with the word idea or compile anywhere on the box.
Dr. Black Jack
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lol I've been making that same joke about everything for the past two days.
Went out and picked up the following:
Atelier Ayesha
Atelier Meruru
Atelier Rorona
Eternal Sonata (this one's actually good though)
Record of Agarest War 2
Not all NISA.
Dr. Black Jack
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chaobreaker
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I kept trying to get into Disgaea, particularly the first one, all the time but I found it to be the most shameless and boring numbers game out of all the turn based strategy RPGs I've played. All style and no substance. All those stats that can go to the thousands but you never felt like you accomplish anything. Plus the whole grinding your weapons to be slightly stronger by doing procedurally generated dungeons felt like a pointless prospect. It just never clicked for me.
Guided Fate Paradox actually had competent people behind the gameplay, if you enjoyed roguelikes. Problem is it just barfs cutscenes at you nonstop, which, when you're exploring multi-floor randomized labyrinths, can get annoying.
And then all those competent people got dicked over, left the company, and joined CH. So NIS being the geniuses they are, decided to make its horrible sequel, Awakened Fate Ultimatum, wtihout them. Now that's a bad game, although with the giant backlog you built I'd wait a while.
Seriously though, how are you gonna manage to hateplay so much stuff? There's only so much time in the world!
And then all those competent people got dicked over, left the company, and joined CH. So NIS being the geniuses they are, decided to make its horrible sequel, Awakened Fate Ultimatum, wtihout them. Now that's a bad game, although with the giant backlog you built I'd wait a while.
Seriously though, how are you gonna manage to hateplay so much stuff? There's only so much time in the world!
Dr. Black Jack
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Thanks for the input on Awakened Fate; I'm waiting on the inevitable price drop for that one.
The main reason I'm stockpiling so many JRPGs right now is because I think we're either near or at the bottom prices for these games, and the availability is still good. The B2G1 averages the cost of each game to $10-15ish or less, which is my impulse buy price. I have a feeling that at least a few of these will shoot up in the next decade, so the time is now.
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atelier is great - especially the arland series, never got into the dusk games. i hope you got em for the Vita. it's wonderful having them on the go
Dr. Black Jack
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Had my buddy over last night and we tried out a few more of these.
Played the intros of Disgaea 3 and D2...and they were pretty damn good! My wife still loathed 3 but D2 actually made her smile. The opening scene was really funny.
Then we tried Time & Eternity...
Jesus fucking Christ this game is HORRIBLE. I can't wait to play more.
I named the "protagonist" Dickbutt.
Played the intros of Disgaea 3 and D2...and they were pretty damn good! My wife still loathed 3 but D2 actually made her smile. The opening scene was really funny.
Then we tried Time & Eternity...
Jesus fucking Christ this game is HORRIBLE. I can't wait to play more.
I named the "protagonist" Dickbutt.
Time and Eternity is commonly on the list of Worst RPGs Ever and the people who made it only just went out of business. You can see what they were trying to do except they failed utterly horribly.
Yeah, Disgaea 3's plot is meh because Mao is a pretty annoying character. By comparison the group dynamics of Laharl and Co. are probably more entertaining.
Also 3 is basically an upscaled PS2 game if you look at the graphics, and about this point is when they start trying out new ideas to freshen stuff up between games.
Yeah, Disgaea 3's plot is meh because Mao is a pretty annoying character. By comparison the group dynamics of Laharl and Co. are probably more entertaining.
Also 3 is basically an upscaled PS2 game if you look at the graphics, and about this point is when they start trying out new ideas to freshen stuff up between games.
Dr. Black Jack
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GKSilKamina
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A friend of mine did something similar. He picked up Time & Eternity and played the first hour of it in front of a group of friends. It was a riot. Lots of pained laughter and groaning. Lots of it.
Good choice. I actually bought Akiba's Trip solely as a joke (because I, too, was craving a skeevy, badly programmed anime game) and am genuinely shocked at how much of a good time I'm having with it. It quoted that notorious "it's about justice" line from Shikigami no Shiro II. Instant GOAT for me just from that alone.
God help you with Mugen Souls, though. You're asking for serious trouble with that one.
Good choice. I actually bought Akiba's Trip solely as a joke (because I, too, was craving a skeevy, badly programmed anime game) and am genuinely shocked at how much of a good time I'm having with it. It quoted that notorious "it's about justice" line from Shikigami no Shiro II. Instant GOAT for me just from that alone.
God help you with Mugen Souls, though. You're asking for serious trouble with that one.