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Iceland government collapses over pedophile furore
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Men do a great job of empathizing with other men and not wanting to see their lives ruined. Even if those men are child rapists.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Wait, it gets worse:
http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/...lving-one-icelands-most-notorious-child-abuse
Obviously the pardoner's finances need to be investigated.
http://icelandmag.visir.is/article/...lving-one-icelands-most-notorious-child-abuse
Obviously the pardoner's finances need to be investigated.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Yeah. If the jail sentence is shorter than the time spent doing the crime, the legal system is doing something wrong.
The judiciary is supposed to be independent in democratic systems.
Audioboxer
Member
What the fucking fuck? Words can't describe the brutality here. 5 and a half years? Should have been 4 to 5x that. Double how many years he carried out that abuse, or something.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
For reals holy shit
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Horrible story aside icelandic politics sound like a blast to watch from an outsiders perspective.
Virtually all of them at some point, I'd guess. Sociopaths seek out positions of power.
That nordic justice model. Hey, it's all about rehabilitation.
I've had my own experience with the justice system here in Finland, and let's just say that next time i get almost killed by some psycho i'm going to think twice before calling the cops. "It's also your fault for defending yourself
It's so disheartening and downright rage inducing to read about how the justice system here in Finland treats the victims. Some psycho fucker can decide to fuck your finances up by just assaulting you and forcing you to defend yourself. Then the fucker is given pretty much a slap on the wrist and you'll get big fines to pay because you had the audacity to put your own life above the fuck who attacked you without provoking him in any way. You the victim are supposed to keep yourself calm and level headed at all times during the attack, doing sherlock calculations in your head while in slow-mo in how you could disarm and subdue the assailant without hurting him physically. This model puts so much unfair burden on the victim to ensure both him and his assailant's safety.
Well that's kinda true.
He was working as bus driver at some company and she went on his bus, which the school hired, during a field trip. He wasn't the school bus driver.
Kind of irrelevant. The bus company shouldve checked his record and stopped him doing any runs involving children.
Five years after you've been out of prison your record doesn't showcase your crimes.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Hmm... gonna just take the L like that?
Yeah, it does. Your criminal record stays with you for life. Id imagine hes also on the sex offender register, meaning hed definitely show up with a criminal record.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
not every country handles these things the same many countries don't even have a sex offender registry, that's mostly an anglophone thing.
Nope, not in Iceland.
hurricanes
Member
5 years? They should tie him with a rock and dump him in the middle of the Arctic Ocean to feed fish. And they were trying to pardon him? Unbelievable.
Epsilon-delta
Banned
That's here in the US, not so in Iceland IIRC.
OrangeGrayBlue
Member
We say this like Brock Turner didn't rape an unconscious woman and essentially get sentenced to summer detention for it. I don't think a focus on rehabilitation is to blame when the US is addicted to incarcerating people and still manages to give rapists 3-month sentences.
How the fuck do you rape someone everyday for 12 years, from when they're 5 years old until when they are 17 years old and only get 5 years in prison? It should be for life.
And why the fuck would you try to restore the honor of such a monster. They should not have the right to be forgiven or hold any public or government office. And how do you even make an excuse for trying to do this without outing yourself as a monster yourself? To do so suggests you sympathize with a pedophile rapist. Fuck everyone and anyone who tries to defend such a vile piece of shit.
And why the fuck would you try to restore the honor of such a monster. They should not have the right to be forgiven or hold any public or government office. And how do you even make an excuse for trying to do this without outing yourself as a monster yourself? To do so suggests you sympathize with a pedophile rapist. Fuck everyone and anyone who tries to defend such a vile piece of shit.
At least he has to register as a sex offender.
It's not a pardon, he's already out of jail and has been for over 5 years.
God Dayumm
Banned
"Rehabilitation"
Do countries with this model even follow proper science-based rehabilitation procedures for inmates or is it all high-horse posturing?
oneils
Member
I think you are being way too defensive. There is pretty much nothing in that guys post that should have led you to the thinking in your second paragraph unless you know something we don't.
There is nothing wrong with a system that favours rehabilitation. There is plenty wrong with a system that does not weight certain crimes heavily enough, punishes victims and does not do enough to ensure that a convict does not re offend. There should certainly be rules in place to prevent child predators from being able to have a job that involves working with children. A persons ability to reintegrate into society should not come at the cost of safety to said society.
I really hope this person ( who clearly seems likely to re offend) and the prime minister's father are brought to proper justice and that this government dissolution doesn't have far reaching consequences to the general icelandic populous.
I really hope this person ( who clearly seems likely to re offend) and the prime minister's father are brought to proper justice and that this government dissolution doesn't have far reaching consequences to the general icelandic populous.
Frankfurter
Member
European countries have a way better track record when it comes to releasing prisoners vs. them getting imprisoned again compared to the US.
Not so much imo. Publicly being labelled as a sex offender makes reintegration pretty much impossible.
I assume it's the former based on their extremely low recidivism rates. Even if it wasn't based on science it seems whatever they're doing actually works.
Though at the same time I don't think a system like this would work in the USA.
ShemhazaiX
Member
People always take the piss out of European justice. They never actually take note that it actually works.
Audioboxer
Member
Yeah, but a sentence of less than half the amount of time he raped the girl is hard to stomach. Even if it were a year for a year. I know that's not really how justice works in a court, but I'll say it one last time, 5.5 years for 12 years of rape/sexual abuse is just hard to accept.
I'm someone that is against the death penalty and I do also believe rehabilitation can and does work.
Educate yourself
Theres an easy solution to that dont commit a sexual offence.
Frankfurter
Member
That's the American approach. And it's working so splendidly well that recidivism rate is sky high and almost one out of 100 adults is in prison - compared to ~one tenth of that in Western Europe.
The low Nordic recidivism rates seem to be based on somewhat dodgy statistics, for example:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4472929/#!po=44.2857
This isn't to defend the frankly horrible US prison system, but the Nordic systems are not perfect and for mine too frequently ignore victims rights. Five years for this crime is a farce.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4472929/#!po=44.2857
This isn't to defend the frankly horrible US prison system, but the Nordic systems are not perfect and for mine too frequently ignore victims rights. Five years for this crime is a farce.
witchedwiz
Member
I'll just pretend you wanted to go there for the beauties and reconsidering due to shitty laws, tu the phrasing is.. poor..
Anyway, that guy is trash and "restoring honor"? Wtf...
Shitty sentences are bound to happen every now and again in every justice system. Unless someone can prove that this is the common punishment for this kind of crime in Iceland, using it as example of why the whole justice system is broken is disengenious.
Also interesting to see Americans throwing a fit over it when on their country certain states still allow people to marry and rape children legally because of fucking religion.
Regardless of the number of crimes committed - thats not what were discussing here - the fact is Iceland (or most of Europe for that matter) not having a sex registry is alarming. Theyre pretty much allowing rapists and child molesters to intergrate themselves back in the community with no actual repercussions. Its barbaric and twisted.
Too much democracy is the same as none and there is no accountability for leaders actions in any "so called democracy on earth". Fine there are cultural differences, no life sentence in Iceland.
Iceland is held up as the perfect, ideal democracy when obviously it isn't and a pedophile brings the entire system down.
How in the fuck does a pedophile have his rights and honor restored? Why is it even an option?
Iceland is held up as the perfect, ideal democracy when obviously it isn't and a pedophile brings the entire system down.
How in the fuck does a pedophile have his rights and honor restored? Why is it even an option?
Chainsawkitten
Member
The US is the only country in the world with a public sex offender registry. And it's not working in protecting children. You can still have a criminal record that could prevent you from getting jobs that involve contact with children (teacher, etc.) without having a public sex offender registry.
? It's a pretty good example of democracy still, when the public discovers that the government is corrupt and thus the government collapses. That's what it should happen in a democracy when the public discovers their elected officials are corrupt. What's your alternative, letting the corrupt people stay like in other countries? Why are you saying there is no accountability when the opposite is happening?
Regarding the honor restored system, in theory it's a good thing, but as seen here it needs some serious reforms, like not allowing certain types of criminals to obtain it, as well as making the whole process clear and public.
Emperor_Uriel
Member
Worth noting again that this guy's actions are the epitome of sexual predation. He didn't just grab a kid's butt a few times or show his wiener to some schoolgirls, he repeatedly "raped his stepdaughter almost every day for 12 years from when she was five."
I almost always advocate for mercy and rehabilitation, but this guy is a hardcore sexual sadist devoid of empathy. You simply cannot commit crimes like this and return to normal society.
He should have never seen the light of day again. His mere existence is an affront to the "honor" of the Icelandic legal system.
I almost always advocate for mercy and rehabilitation, but this guy is a hardcore sexual sadist devoid of empathy. You simply cannot commit crimes like this and return to normal society.
He should have never seen the light of day again. His mere existence is an affront to the "honor" of the Icelandic legal system.
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