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IGN: Stellar Blade has racist artwork which will be removed with the day one patch
skyfall
Member
You could at least apologise for making those kind of assumptions about us
Fake
Member
Look who came out of retirement
People need to stop posting tweets without giving context on the fly.
So, WTF is this? Are they using this case to take advantage of promoving their shit Sweet Baby tatics of sensitive readers?
Hayabusabruh
Member
Great. All the journalist are gonna go back and play scavenger hunt now looking for something they can use. 'hmm is that a boat? Weren't they brought here on a boat'
The English language is contextual. Words and phrases have different meanings in different contexts. I've used the "hard r" phrase for decades in the context of movie ratings, where it predates the other usage. It's still a commonly used phrase in the context of movies.
(lol at me saying that the overreliance on CG will date Wanted badly, 16 years ago. Yep! Still fun though, anorexic Angelina aside)
It can also be a reference to how the n-word is used, yes. It can also just be some Engrish a Korean developer thought sounded cool. The least likely explanation is that they were being intentionally racist.
Bad actors on the internet tend to strip the context away from the usage of language precisely to create artificial gotcha moments where they get to decide intent.
(lol at me saying that the overreliance on CG will date Wanted badly, 16 years ago. Yep! Still fun though, anorexic Angelina aside)
It can also be a reference to how the n-word is used, yes. It can also just be some Engrish a Korean developer thought sounded cool. The least likely explanation is that they were being intentionally racist.
Bad actors on the internet tend to strip the context away from the usage of language precisely to create artificial gotcha moments where they get to decide intent.
yurinka
Member
I assume that the reason is that part of it is painted n white color, while black is only used for the outline.
GymWolf
Member
To mentally ill people, yes.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
The English language is contextual. Words and phrases have different meanings in different contexts. I've used the "hard r" phrase for decades in the context of movie ratings, where it predates the other usage. It's still a commonly used phrase in the context of movies.
(lol at me saying that the overreliance on CG will date Wanted badly, 16 years ago. Yep! Still fun though, anorexic Angelina aside)
It can also be a reference to how the n-word is used, yes. It can also just be some Engrish a Korean developer thought sounded cool. The least likely explanation is that they were being intentionally racist.
Bad actors on the internet tend to strip the context away from the usage of language precisely to create artificial gotcha moments where they get to decide intent.
Exactly this. The term hard R in relation to movie ratings must've been made countless times over the years, especially in the years before PG-13 was created and it was extremely common for movies to go for "soft" (undeserved/borderline) R ratings to match their publicity.
Fake
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The English language is contextual. Words and phrases have different meanings in different contexts. I've used the "hard r" phrase for decades in the context of movie ratings, where it predates the other usage. It's still a commonly used phrase in the context of movies.
(lol at me saying that the overreliance on CG will date Wanted badly, 16 years ago. Yep! Still fun though, anorexic Angelina aside)
It can also be a reference to how the n-word is used, yes. It can also just be some Engrish a Korean developer thought sounded cool. The least likely explanation is that they were being intentionally racist.
Bad actors on the internet tend to strip the context away from the usage of language precisely to create artificial gotcha moments where they get to decide intent.
It's obvious they're targeted the game. IGN already gave a 7/10, not to mention those reviewers have so much little time to spend with the game for being so much fast to find this. At point of make this kinda of statements like 'ITS WAS INTENTIONAL'. The FBI of the internet.
If I would guess, the person in question that find this is already trying to make some likes/retweets over Twitter.
'If you hate the game sure you will talk about how bad the game is until the end'. They are making personal at this point.
I getting a deja vu when Days Gone release. All this reminds me that Simpsons episode where Flanders keep watching VHS tapes to find what to be offended.
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ssringo
Member
Classic lols from the early days of the internet. Honestly can't believe it's still around.
And hey, found a decently on topic one from the 90s!
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BouncyFrag
Member
Wandered over to the reeee thread and can confirm.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Not sure what IGN hates more, this game or WB canceling Batgirl.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
No bugs or brokenness to complain about so might as well look for problems that never existed in the first place.
2020's Gaming "journalism" 101
2020's Gaming "journalism" 101
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Well, most likely. I'd never say it's a 100% thing; we wouldn't know unless we were there at the dev studio or whatever.
Having said that, it's rather obvious certain folks who never wanted to give the game a fair chance latched onto the worst assumption right off the jump, without even considering the cultural differences at play. We definitely know where those particular types are coming from.
Which is very ironic, because a lot of those same people gave 343i the benefit of a doubt with the Bonobo armor plate stuff in Halo Infinite. They even bent over backwards for it.
Again, assuming the worst and thinking it was intentional would've been stupid. I'm just wondering why many of these Western journalists or very far-left ideologues either ignored or downplayed that, yet are quick to claim this instance was absolutely laced with malicious intent (or intentional whatsoever).
Look who came out of retirement
Also in the ResetERA thread (before it was locked), I noticed most of the people trying to argue this was something done with malicious intent were Xbox diehards who stanned for the ABK acquisition last year.
So there are definitely some "bad faith actors" involved in the "outrage" leveraging it for console warring and nothing more.
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A repeated graffiti decal happens to be next to a shop sign that when combined alludes to some obscure racial context.
This is not racist.
Racism would require the fundamental message to be racially motivated. Crossing your eyes to read into something or snickering at happenstance is not racist.
It’s like freeze framing people waving and claiming it’s a Nazi salute. You need to look at the broader picture and evaluate the context.
This is not racist.
Racism would require the fundamental message to be racially motivated. Crossing your eyes to read into something or snickering at happenstance is not racist.
It’s like freeze framing people waving and claiming it’s a Nazi salute. You need to look at the broader picture and evaluate the context.
Soodanim
Member
Just so I'm clear, IGN, you asked if Stellar Blade copies would be reprinted because two distinctly different visual elements can, if you choose to see it that way, be combined into a form which carries a number of meanings depending on context including one that references the use of a slur but in no way makes any attempt to disparage any group?
This is a textbook example of the mentality of some people. Forget anything but the worst possible context, which is to pretend this is an injustice brought upon a subset of our species because of prejudice and needed to be immediately fixed instead of considering any wider context or alternative meaning.
I'm annoyed I spent this long dignifying the article with a response. It was not worthy of any of our time. I'm usually not a fan of the low effort drive by posts that make no attempt to say anything more than "Woke", but in this case they've got it right by showing it the contempt and disrespect that it deserves.
In an ideal world the response to the report would be "I'm not wasting my team's time because of your perceived slight."
I don't even care that the decal was changed, it was presumably as simple as swapping a reference to graffiti1.jpg to graffiti2.jpg. It's IGN and anyone else involved being desperate enough to disparage Shift Up for their own benefit. It's shameless behaviour and they know no one actually gives a shit.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Well I mean that's the thing: are you American? "Hard R" is internet slang from cesspools like 4chan (most likely), that just got around over time. But most of the users on places like that are American.
That said, I'm not going to say there's 0% chance this was purely accidental, either. South Korea's one of the Asian countries with a high degree of English-speaking people, and I'm sure a good chunk of their gaming community in MOBAs and whatnot interact with Western players as a result. So, there's a higher chance people in the SK gaming scene might be aware of what "Hard R" means in the Western gaming internet culture context than, say, some gamer in Indonesia or Thailand.
Again, it's stupid IMO to assume the worst right off the jump. But I'm not going to say there was a 0% chance of specific reference to "Hard R" in the Western internet culture slang context, either. It'd be impossible for any of us to say that with absolution; we aren't developers at Shift Up :/
rackham
Banned
I'm not saying anything about the developers or the game. I'm talking about the posters here who are really one loud noise away from screeching "ree" at the top of their lungs
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
That's legitimately funny. Probably unintentional, in any case - feels like people are just itching for reasons to be upset about the game.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Eh, yeah probably fair enough on that part. I think part of that might be an overreaction because they've seen the game getting attacked by Western press for weeks for a slew of other things that have been rather questionable on the part of said Western press, influencers, and their supporters. And I can understand the desire to do that to a degree, because they want to probably shut down any avenue for people like Kotaku, IGN, Alyssa Mecante etc. from going "See!? We were right all along!" and taking control of the narrative surrounding the game before it's even launched (and further try to taint public perception while doing so).
At the same time, like a lot of these types of things, what's really needed is nuance. Unfortunately more & more people on both sides are less willing to do that, and we're the ones who get stuck in the middle as a result. Honestly, if Western media didn't have a witch hunt out for the game for multiple reasons (actual sexy female characters, it being a PS5 exclusive, certain people weaponizing it against Sweet Baby Inc., generalizing ALL supporters or people interested in the game as alt-right chuds, etc.), you'd probably get a lot more nuanced reactions to this bit of news.
But a lot of the reactions are mainly because of those disingenuous, spiteful Western games "journalists", influencers, Xbox & PC diehard fanboys/fangirls, & fake progressive keyboard warriors banding together to attack Stellar Blade well before the game even released. They set the climate; of course when something like this unfortunately ends up in the game you'd get a lot of people wanting to shut down any avenue for those same haters to confirm biases they already held against the game from a long time ago.
I mean I agree, but it would be nice if everyone did this. You know, on both sides. The reality though is that a lot on both sides don't stop to consider wider context and project their personal interpretation as the universal intent of the work.
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You haven’t been to Asia, then.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Lance is a great guy. I watch his live streams.
He will laugh at that and the craziness this caused. He rarely reads his tweets and checks them out after posting. he doesn't care
CoreyFlawless
Member
I get it. But I don’t believe that racism. More like, that’s pretty funny how that all come together like that.
Physiognomonics
Member
I don't even want to understand what kind of sick logic would explain it to be racist. Not reading any of the posts explaining it.
MacReady13
Member
Hard R, at least here in Australia, is defined as a movie/game that is really violent/full of sex and nudity. Has NOTHING to do with racism, but when you WANT to see racism everywhere, this is what you get.In the game's context, it fits:
Urban Dictionary: hard R
A phrase referring to the words "nigga" and "nigger," the latter being referred to as "the hard R."www.urbandictionary.com
One of the definitions.
CamHostage
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Classic lols from the early days of the internet. Honestly can't believe it's still around.
And hey, found a decently on topic one from the 90s!
The 1989 anime Megazone 23 is a sci-fi hacker story with a sort of Last Starfighter/Matrix plot centered around a VR arcade game named...
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Is that in reference to the "Hard R" contextualization or the English comment?
To the latter I know that English is an increasingly popular language in various countries, it's just like some like South Korea are at the head of the pack. But I guess places like Japan and China aren't too far behind when it comes to popularity of English as a secondary language.
But anyhow, the "controversy" itself is very contrived and mainly coming from bad faith actors & disingenuous people. Best to assume the intent isn't what people like Mecante would love to push. There's like a 5% chance at most it was intended the way places like Kotaku want to say it was.
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TehGoomba7s
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Article written by an American who not surprisingly thinks the world revolves around them. A Korean dev isn't going to be clued in on this, let alone the fact the HARD is generic and appears in other places. Reaching super hard here, but it's 2024 and everyone has to be offended by everything.
newtypepilot
Member
these retards sure like to create streisand effect over nothing
Fake
Member
Edit: Just saw this in your post.....Fake .....not following you. What are you saying here?
I saying how people behave on Twitter. Is like, if you don't know what is offensive I gonna teach you 'why this is offensive' or else you are an ignorant. Nothing to do with you BTW, just a social media mentality.
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Moriarty1889
Member
Give me a fucking break already. People will look for anything to complain about and the devs caving to these lunatics is even more troubling. This game has been targeted since the beginning due to the sexy female protagonist and its non woke emphasis. This is just another prime example of that.
Topher
Gold Member
Ah....I follow. Yeah, gaslighting like that on twitter is very common.
Kings Field
Member
I’m from Atlanta Ga. We’ve heard so much racist crap it’s hilarious at this point because it just shows ignorance. What does offend me is a person of another color trying to explain what he perceives as a “norm in my culture”… “ oh black people do this” etc etc.
A jokes a joke. Ignorance is always uncool though.
Astral Dog
Member
I don't get it whats Hard about it
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
The modern left has become everything that they hate about the old religious right - petty, puritan and self-righteous.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
In the context of this thread title and generally on social media hard R is the N word with the R
And with shop meaning you can buy N word
That's the first thing that came to my mind, but in the context of the game it doesn't make sense
ReBurn
Gold Member
They could have left it in and I probably wouldn't have noticed it. Especially if it's a texture that's used a lot. I don't mind that they changed it, it's their game. It makes no difference to me what's painted on that wall. Considering the game was made by a South Korean team they probably didn't connect the dots because it's not something they regularly deal with.
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semiconscious
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the way this game's played: this's people who aren't personally offended being offended on behalf of those likely non-existent people who are...
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