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[64bitmodels]

I'm a bit worried for VRAM capabilities now that 8gb is fully outdated and relegated to budget tier. I want a 4070 super, but paying that much for 12gb vram which could be outdated in 2 or 3 years sounds like a bad decision imo.

 

[kOsmikcoffee]

It all depends on the resolution you're playing on. As long as you're playing games in 1080p, even 1440p, I think 12GB is fine for the next few years. Of course, I could be biased, since I just got a 4070 lmao

 

[zeroluck]

Just wait 6 months for rtx5000 launch and get second handed 4080 for cheap on eBay.

 

[Kenpachii]

This is how i see it.

12gb for 1080p
16gb for 1440p
16+gb for 4k

 

[Guilty_AI]

i don't think it'll get outdated until the end of this gen

 

[AV]

The 12gb on my 4070ti was fine for running Cyberpunk at 4K with everything cranked up, RTX included, using DLSS3.5.

It's really not a problem yet at all. If you're trying to push things harder then the above then you probably shouldn't be buying anything less than the tippy top cards anyway.

 

[Senua]

This is how i see it.

12gb for 1080p
16gb for 1440p
16+gb for 4k

Rather extreme

 

[Gaiff]

This is how i see it.

12gb for 1080p
16gb for 1440p
16+gb for 4k

Doesn't make sense. 1080p to 1440p won't add another 4GB of VRAM. Hell, even 1080p to 4K generally won't. 8GB is generally fine for 1080p but you might run into problems with textures. 10GB is more than fine and 12GB is good for everything up to 4K unless you throw in RT.

 

[64bitmodels]

The 12gb on my 4070ti was fine for running Cyberpunk at 4K with everything cranked up, RTX included, using DLSS3.5.

It's really not a problem yet at all. If you're trying to push things harder then the above then you probably shouldn't be buying anything less than the tippy top cards anyway.

I want to play 1440p. If I could do 1440p with raytracing It'd be quite nice.

 

[Shadowstar39]

what game requires it now?
I play at 1080p and have a 3060ti Its been able to play high settings ore more on everygame with 8gb vram.
Did something come out recently that requires 12?

 

[64bitmodels]

Doesn't make sense. 1080p to 1440p won't add another 4GB of VRAM. Hell, even 1080p to 4K generally won't. 8GB is generally fine for 1080p but you might run into problems with textures. 10GB is more than fine and 12GB is good for everything up to 4K unless you throw in RT.

This helped a lot. I think I'll be fine saving and getting a 4070/4070 super then.

Ti/Ti super felt too expensive but 16gb would be really futureproof.

 

[Kenpachii]

Doesn't make sense. 1080p to 1440p won't add another 4GB of VRAM. Hell, even 1080p to 4K generally won't. 8GB is generally fine for 1080p but you might run into problems with textures. 10GB is more than fine and 12GB is good for everything up to 4K unless you throw in RT.

Yea that's not how things work. If 1080p consumes 11-12gb v-ram, u only need ~1gb more usage to make it a problem because 12gb runs out.

A lot of games at max settings use 10gb or higher already on 1080p, for 1440p they can still work at this point at 1440p but it doens't take a lot for it not to work anymore.

I wouldn't want a 12gb card for 1440p or higher.

The same goes for 1080p, if a game uses 8,5gb of memory, a 8gb memory pool is already to small.

Horizon forbidden west is for example such a example.

 

[Crayon]

Wondering the same myself. I thought the 7600xt 16gb was a bit of an eyebrow-raiser. Not that I'm considering buying that particular card but paying more than $400 to get less that 16gb is starting to look kinda dumb.

 

[64bitmodels]

what game requires it now?
I play at 1080p and have a 3060ti Its been able to play high settings ore more on everygame with 8gb vram.
Did something come out recently that requires 12?

Nothing. It's just that I'm in the market for an upgrade, and since the supers came out, the 4070 series has dropped down to some compelling prices. 4070 for 520 is 120 more than how much I bought my 6650 xt for back in 2022 (gpu crisis and all that)

 

[JohnnyFootball]

12GB is going to be just fine for a while. You can always turn down texture details and it will still look good. We are reaching diminishing returns in terms of texture quality beyond what would be needed beyond 16GB.

 

[Gaiff]

Yea that's not how things work. If 1080p consumes 11-12gb v-ram, u only need ~1gb more usage to make it a problem because 12gb runs out.

Yes, it is. You went from 12GB at 1080p to a whopping 16GB at 1440p. This is utter nonsense.

A lot of games at max settings use 10gb or higher already on 1080p, for 1440p they can still work at this point at 1440p but it doens't take a lot for it not to work anymore.

I wouldn't want a 12gb card for 1440p or higher.

Find all these games that consume more than 10GB at 1080p without ray tracing. The list is incredibly short. 12GB is fine for damn near everything except 4K with ray tracing in AAA games but it's not like you'll be running that on 12GB cards anyway.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Nothing. It's just that I'm in the market for an upgrade, and since the supers came out, the 4070 series has dropped down to some compelling prices. 4070 for 520 is 120 more than how much I bought my 6650 xt for back in 2022 (gpu crisis and all that)

Unless you can get a 4070 for around $450 or less, you should spend the little bit more and get a 4070 Super. It's quite a bit better than the regular 4070.

However, AMD has some excellent deals on the 7900 GRE and that absolutely should be a consideration.

 

[AV]

A lot of games at max settings use 10gb or higher already on 1080p

Utter nonsense. Where are these "lot of games"?

 

[Yoshichan]

This is how i see it.

12gb for 1080p
16gb for 1440p
16+gb for 4k

And to think that my 512mb Radeon 9800 XT could run Doom M Max , 1024x768

 

[Lucifers Beard]

My 10GB 3080 still handles 1440p no problem on any new game.

 

[64bitmodels]

Unless you can get a 4070 for around $450 or less, you should spend the little bit more and get a 4070 Super. It's quite a bit better than the regular 4070.

However, AMD has some excellent deals on the 7900 GRE and that absolutely should be a consideration.

That's also on the table as well.

I don't think I'll be going AMD for the near future until the upscaling gets better, FSR is starting to bug me in a few games.
My philosophy for PC builds is to be at parity with console performance for better or worse. That rumored PSSR thing seems like it will be quite a lot better than current FSR and I wouldn't want my PC image quality to look outdated in comparison. Plus I need to see the DLSS "better than native" hype.

 

[Kenpachii]

Yes, it is. You went from 12GB at 1080p to a whopping 16GB at 1440p. This is utter nonsense.

Find all these games that consume more than 10GB at 1080p without ray tracing. The list is incredibly short. 12GB is fine for damn near everything except 4K with ray tracing in AAA games but it's not like you'll be running that on 12GB cards anyway.

Like i said its not about 4gb of vram its that more v-ram can be used then 12, and the 12gb will bottleneck as result. If games already require 12gb it doesn't take a lot to hit a wall sooner rather then later.

Utter nonsense. Where are these "lot of games"?

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-...sis-another-game-that-can-exceed-8gb-vram-use

The 12GB cards all appear to be sufficient for 1440p very high, at least in terms of VRAM capacity, but the RTX 3080 10GB does show a drop in minimum fps relative to the 4070.

Now imagine having it RT and it will peg that 12gb of v-ram even harder.

Like i said u want to play it safe, get 12gb for 1080p, 16gb for 1440p.

All i am saying really is, that 12gb is not safe to last in the future for 1440p, better to go for more v-ram if u sit on a gpu longer.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I think CP77 is the only game I own that I've seen my 4070 12GB use over 10GB of RAM at 1080P.
So I think 12GB is going to last 2 or 3 more years.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

That's also on the table as well.

I don't think I'll be going AMD for the near future until the upscaling gets better, FSR is starting to bug me in a few games.
My philosophy for PC builds is to be at parity with console performance for better or worse. That rumored PSSR thing seems like it will be quite a lot better than current FSR and I wouldn't want my PC image quality to look outdated in comparison. Plus I need to see the DLSS "better than native" hype.

Yes, DLSS is quite a bit better than FSR. No question. However, most games that support FSR and DLSS, also support XeSS and that should be used if you have an AMD GPU. XeSS is quite good. Intel will start locking the best XeSS features on Intel GPUs (Battlemage), but its very good upscaler.

 

[Bojji]

This is how i see it.

12gb for 1080p
16gb for 1440p
16+gb for 4k

There are only few games that can exceed 12gb on ultra settings with frame generation in 4k resolution.

In my opinion

1080p - 10gb
1440p - 12gb
4k - while 12gb is fine for majority of games, 16gb is safe bet.

All this for next ~4 years.

 

[Gaiff]

I think CP77 is the only game I own that I've seen my 4070 12GB use over 10GB of RAM at 1080P.
So I think 12GB is going to last 2 or 3 more years.

12GB is going to last until the end of the generation of consoles.

Like i said its not about 4gb of vram its that more v-ram can be used then 12, and the 12gb will bottleneck as result. If games already require 12gb it doesn't take a lot to hit a wall sooner rather then later.



https://www.tomshardware.com/video-...sis-another-game-that-can-exceed-8gb-vram-use

The 12GB cards all appear to be sufficient for 1440p very high, at least in terms of VRAM capacity, but the RTX 3080 10GB does show a drop in minimum fps relative to the 4070.

Now imagine having it RT and it will peg that 12gb of v-ram even harder.

Like i said u want to play it safe, get 12gb for 1080p, 16gb for 1440p.

All i am saying really is, that 12gb is not safe to last in the future for 1440p, better to go for more v-ram if u sit on a gpu longer.

A whopping 3fps difference which is within margin of error. This really doesn't prove your point. Where are all these games exceeding 10GB at 1080p? We're still waiting for them.

 

[Hudo]

I can guarantee Nvidia will try to sell you a 12GB VRAM RTX 5000 for >=$600

Don't fall for this con.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Why would it be on the chopping block? What games? There are no major demanding games coming soon, except maybe GTA6 but that game will release on PS5 as well, so, yeah. You're safe for the next 3-4 years, only elitist idiots will tell you otherwise.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

You guys need to seriously read the Steam hardware surveys.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

if youre cool lowering lots of settings, 12gb will probably last a very long time.
i was able to squeak by on a 980ti's 6gb for a loooong time at 4k.
and settings are weird these days... usually not a huge difference between medium and high/ultra.

but going forward, if you want most of the newest shiny stuff at 4k, i wouldnt be comfy with anything less than 16gb.

i have 24gb and its overkill. i think i went over 16gb only once or twice while downsampling.

 

[Embearded]

This is how i see it.

12gb for 1080p
16gb for 1440p
16+gb for 4k

I have no idea about PC gaming these days, but 12GB for 1080p sounds like a hyperbole.

 

[Xdrive05]

I just remember all the mouth breathers saying 12GB was overkill for the RTX 3060 at 1080p. It will never make use of it, etc. They turned out dead wrong.

It’s 2024 bitches. Horizon FW has to memory swap on 8GB cards at 1080p High settings. (Or at least with very high textures)

 

[rodrigolfp]

My 10GB 3080 still handles 1440p no problem on any new game.

Including RE4E, TLOUR, and Banishers?

 

[Skifi28]

I hope not, my 4070 is not even a year old.

 

[ssringo]

If you already have a 12GB GPU I wouldn't bother upgrading right now. But if you're upgrading from an 8GB GPU you might as well go with a 16GB GPU. Yeah, it's more expensive (~$200+) but it'll also last you longer before needing to upgrade again and it gives a bit more breathing room on VRAM in the coming years.

 

[kiphalfton]

Just wait 6 months for rtx5000 launch and get second handed 4080 for cheap on eBay.

"Cheap"

I foresee them being slightly cheaper than the equivalent RTX 5000 card. Which I imagine would be the RTX 5070 (if not 5070 Ti, if there is one).

So probably between $500-$700 for a used RTX 4080. However, how much it ultimately goes for used is also dependent on how much memory the equivalent 5000 series card has.

That's just the way she goes.

 

[Spyxos]

I have a 4070 super, right now it is ok, but it is not a card for a long time.

 

[Spyxos]

The 12gb on my 4070ti was fine for running Cyberpunk at 4K with everything cranked up, RTX included, using DLSS3.5.

It's really not a problem yet at all. If you're trying to push things harder then the above then you probably shouldn't be buying anything less than the tippy top cards anyway.

That's not exactly a good example. The game is old. Take a look at Last of Us 2 pre patch or even partly today.

 

[64bitmodels]

That's not exactly a good example. The game is old. Take a look at Last of Us 2 pre patch or even partly today.

Tlou2 isn't on PC

Tlou1s PC port is infamously bad

 

[amigastar]

I'm just waiting for the Nvidia Texture Compression, i hope it will come soon.

https://research.nvidia.com/labs/rtr/neural_texture_compression/

 

[Romulus]

Lmao those that voted 1 year

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Incluindo RE4E, TLOUR, and Banishers?

Yup, absolutely no problems with RE4R Remake. I didn't max out settings because I wanted more than 60fps. I don't see the point in using ultra settings most of the time, I'd rather have the extra frames.

 

[Spyxos]

Tlou2 isn't on PC

Tlou1s PC port is infamously bad

My bad i meant part 1.

 

[Area61]

12GB is safer at least till the next gen mid cycle. If you ask native 4k gaming then we are already behind sadly.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Yup, absolutely no problems with RE4R Remake. I didn't max out settings because I wanted more than 60fps. I don't see the point in using ultra settings most of the time, I'd rather have the extra frames.

Then you had problem(s).

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Then you had problem(s).

No I didn't have any problems. The game ran flawlessly for me at high settings at 1440p and had no major impact on image quality.

The mindset of 'everything needs to be completely maxed out to be considered acceptable' is laughably foolish.

 

[64bitmodels]

But if you're upgrading from an 8GB GPU you might as well go with a 16GB GPU

I know but I don't wanna spend more than 600 on a gpu. Ig I'll wait for what the 5000 series will do to 4000 prices

 

[Mindman]

Still rocking my 10gb 3080 at 4k. GAF told me it wouldn't be enough!

 

[DragonNCM]

1080P Medium- High12GB will be enough for next 4/5 years

 

[Monserrat]

I have no idea about PC gaming these days, but 12GB for 1080p sounds like a hyperbole.

Some of the newer games are pushing 10gb at 1080p, even older stuff like the resident evil remakes if you use max textures. Cyberpunk for example, everyone uses the built in benchmark, but the new area from Phantom Liberty is lot more vram hungry and a stutter fest on 8gb.

This thing cannot even use FG due to the lack of vram, we were warning people about buying this card: