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[Hudo]

Regarding Trump:




Based on the information so far, he's coming out of this as one of the good guys.

Meanwhile Hilary was surrounded by pests but claims to have never known anything.

So it seems that Trump is hated by the establishment because he didn't want to play with Epstein (anymore?). Makes sense.

 

[CrankyJay™]

Every person Clinton ever banged already came out against him when he was running for governor, then again during the monica lewisky scandal. I dont understand why the Prince Andrew chick would come out but not the Bill Clinton or Stephen Hawkin rape victims. If all these guys were going out there having sex with minors, it wouldve come out already.

And just because Epstein told his rape victim something doesnt make it true. We are taking the word of a pedo here? Bill also has a secret service detail everywhere he goes. Those guys can be subpoenaed and asked to testify under oath.

Sorry just not buying this stuff. Hawkins couldnt lift a finger, and hes a pedo? Eh. Epstein was flying around hundreds of big name politicians, celebrities and scientists. Doesnt mean they are all pedos.

Everyone knows this, but they also like to think the worst about people.

 

[MrA]

Trump’s very likely the only guy on that list who a court has ruled committed sexual assault, and thus was guilty of defamation by calling his accuser a liar, so ya know…let’s maybe not lionize the “grab them by the pussy” guy

You might want to learn the difference between civil liability and criminal, i know you're blinded by your biases, but some basic civics isn't going hurt you

 

[Thaedolus]

You might want to learn the difference between civil liability and criminal, i know you're blinded by your biases, but some basic civics isn't going hurt you

You might want to learn to read what I wrote instead of saying I said something I didn’t say.

 

[F0rneus]

People need to really read the document

Now Prince Andrew...now there's no coming back from that one ooofff.

 

[IDKFA]

I highly doubt Stephen Hawking was being flown to an island to bang underage girls. Bill Clinton I can believe, but Stephen Hawking? Lol no. Not possible.

 

[Thaedolus]

I highly doubt Stephen Hawking was being flown to an island to bang underage girls. Bill Clinton I can believe, but Stephen Hawking? Lol no. Not possible.

Didn’t he famously cheat on his wife? I don’t think ALS makes your wiener fall off

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Sorry just not buying this stuff. Hawkins couldnt lift a finger, and hes a pedo? Eh. Epstein was flying around hundreds of big name politicians, celebrities and scientists. Doesnt mean they are all pedos.

Given the situation, there's likely going to be some shady stuff. I dont know how long that list of people is, but I highly doubt 100% of them are pedos. I've never done anything shady, but if I did I have my paper lists of contacts (too lazy to put them into my contacts lists) as well as Outlook and cellphone contacts. Maybe some of them I did do illegal activity with them, maybe some I didn't. I probably got 100s of people in my lists from the past 20+ years. Everything from fam, friends, business contacts and even my hair cutter.

But this is going to be one giant long ass ordeal or who messed with teenagers and who is innocent.

 

[Joshmyersbv]

People need to really read the document

Now Prince Andrew...now there's no coming back from that one ooofff.

I mean is the secret service really gonna record Flight documents to an island where people had sex with children and turn them in to their boss? Now the other stuff would make it seem questionable that he may have been there.

 

[Days like these...]

Nevermind I misunderstood what the poster was saying.

 

[IDKFA]

Didn’t he famously cheat on his wife? I don’t think ALS makes your wiener fall off

No, it doesn't.

However, at this point of his life he needed 24 hour care. Did his carers get flown to the island as well and given hush money? His wife was also one of his main care givers. Would she be okay with her husband banging children and again given hush money?

I'd be blown away if his carers and wife agreed to this and helped cover it up.

 

[K2D]

Ya know women in their 30s are still hot and know what they’re doing, just saying

30s chicks got wise...

 

[Thaedolus]

No, it doesn't.

However, at this point of his life he needed 24 hour care. Did his carers get flown to the island as well and given hush money? His wife was also one of his main care givers. Would she be okay with her husband banging children and again given hush money?

I'd be blown away if his carers and wife agreed to this and helped cover it up.

Look man you don’t make a career out of studying black holes if you don’t like black holes

 

[F0rneus]

I mean is the secret service really gonna record Flight documents to an island where people had sex with children and turn them in to their boss? Now the other stuff would make it seem questionable that he may have been there.

You seem to not even have read the part where the witness said she lied. *shrugs*

 

[phaedrus]

David Copperfield won that prize and was also named as person on the list.

I think you've confused magician David Copperfield with architect David Chipperfield the 2023 Pritzker Prize winner?

 

[Flutta]

Western society at it’s peek right here. Basically people running the country are pedos and they have the nerve looking down on others.

 

[Thaedolus]

I think you're confusing David Copperfield the magician with architect David Chipperfield the 2023 Pritzker Prize winner?

“Theodore Kaczynski? The mathematician??”

 

[K2D]

Damn, there's an endless stream of Stephen Hawkings jokes on Twtter it seems ...

Imagine being guy who's sole reason being on the islands is to give popular/high society credence to epstein & co and then being listed in one of epstein ledgers. Your life is ruined the lives of your immediate family is ruined and your name is for all purposes ruined.

Talk about sacks of shit surrounding epstein and epstein included.

 

[AJUMP23]

I think you've confused magician David Copperfield with architect David Chipperfield the 2023 Pritzker Prize winner?

I guess you just change the award name to Best Architect not associated with pedos award.

 

[SirKicksalot]

Bunch of Paedofinder Generals in this thread lmao
Hawking is only mentioned as a potential deflection strategy:

 

[tkscz]

Bunch of Paedofinder Generals in this thread lmao
Hawking is only mentioned as a potential deflection strategy:

Yeah I found it weird that someone whose entire lower body didn't work at the time somehow participated in an orgy of any kind. But other docks really put what she was saying into question as well.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Yeah I found it weird that someone whose entire lower body didn't work at the time somehow participated in an orgy of any kind. But other docks really put what she was saying into question as well.

If it was legit, maybe Hawking wanted to think he time traveled back to his able bodied years banging in high school.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

uhhhh...i dunno guys....this seems like a big deal.

I remember when Trump was president or around that time there was like aome kind of conspiracy theories around pizzas or quanon or something like that. also unghinge alex jones on YT was a big deal.

...these documents kind of validate all those people.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Did you know about Stephen Hawking's? It's one of those things where it's nice to claim in hindsight but really we didn't know what we would find until today.

The media doesnt have a perpetual, eternal, record breaking hate boner for Hawking

 

[EviLore]

Bunch of Paedofinder Generals in this thread lmao
Hawking is only mentioned as a potential deflection strategy:

acquaionts? partica-ted?

Was Epstein cognitively impaired

 

[belmarduk]

You expect the others to be on this list but Stephen Hawking is such a disappointment.

 

[E-Cat]

You expect the others to be on this list but Stephen Hawking is such a disappointment.

I guess he was into more than one kind of black hole.

 

[kruis]

acquaionts? partica-ted?

Was Epstein cognitively impaired

Dyslexia is my guess.

But why would anyone running a pedo ring use gmail? Not the best option if you want your communications to remain absolutely secret.

 

[TGO]

Apparently Trump named in the documents too? But not accused of anything, just mention of him as an associate. Not sure, haven't seen the documents myself

Clinton, Andrew and Dershowitz are like the least surprising names to see on something like this.

I think that was more of them wanting him to be there, they literally kept asking

 

[LordCBH]

Bill Clinton was always a creepy fuck, and now you’re telling me he’s a rapey creepy fuck? I’m shocked.

 

[jufonuk]

Not my man Stephen Hawking

i hope that it is not true.

 

[jason10mm]

uhhhh...i dunno guys....this seems like a big deal.

I remember when Trump was president or around that time there was like aome kind of conspiracy theories around pizzas or quanon or something like that. also unghinge alex jones on YT was a big deal.

...these documents kind of validate all those people.

Well, then you get a Heidi Fleiss level "madam" to break and then you hear that yes, wealthy people pay for all sorts of weird sex shit and women with any level of fame/notoriety can and do cash in on it if the $$$ is enough.

Epstein was mostly dealing with late teens though, right? Like luring his neighbors daughters out for parties and whatnot? I've not read too deeply on it but while still gross and illegal there is "she's 17 (she's only seventeeeeeeenn, seventeen!! yeah Winger!) and there at least somewhat willingly versus a Sound of Freedom type of "we kidnapped a 6 year old, here he is for $1500" or whatever level of kill all these fuckers. Was he supposedly trafficking abducted children to that island? Or getting these teens out there under false pretenses and then forcing them into sex with dudes and threatening them after? Obviously in that case hang 'em all but I thought there was a bit of "hey, I get to hang with rich guys and famous people and yeah occasionally bang some old guy" component but could be a misunderstanding on my part.

My niece is in a big city and she just got into some type of "Womens Club" that only wants single, no kids, professional women from 22-29 years of age or some shit. Then they have "Events" where I'm sure a buncha older wealthy guys are gonna be there, lots of booze, and things will happen. Is it an elaborate dating set-up for rich guys with little time? Low key grooming for prostitution/escorts? Or a legit "we are single girls and we wanna have fun together" social club like some sort of 1800's high society thing? Time will tell, very curious to hear how her first "gala" goes

Point being is guys want to have sex with women. And younger women seem to have a strong appeal. And with money comes access. The question is, are we as a society going to continue to stigmatize women in the sex trade and keep it illegal for everyone, which then allows for trafficking and minors to be involved much more than if it was a regulated industry, or are we going to accept reality and move to a more open and controlled profession that ensured more safety for everyone involved?

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

or are we going to accept reality and move to a more open and controlled profession that ensured more safety for everyone involved?

It's legal in more countries than you probably realise

Countries Where Prostitution Is Legal 2024

 

[LordOfChaos]

Why do I feel like this goes the way of the Panama Papers and we're here years later going...Wait why did nothing happen?

Stephen Hawking watching naked midgets solve math problems almost feels like a troll or parody, but what's felt real in the simulation in the last few years...I mean, she's named Jizz Lane.

 

[Thaedolus]

naked midgets solve math problems

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Bill Clinton was always a creepy fuck, and now you’re telling me he’s a rapey creepy fuck? I’m shocked.

He and Hilary were always weird politicians. How these to got into political power is a mystery. Bill always seemed like a dirtbag and Lewinsky shenanigans proved it. And big time feminist Hilary stuck by him the entire time. You'd think she would had dumped his ass by now, but they are hand and hand.

 

[jason10mm]

It's legal in more countries than you probably realise

Countries Where Prostitution Is Legal 2024

Australia, huh? No wonder those guys always seem so chill

But would be curious if child trafficking is much less in those areas than in the America's (and I assume across Asia and eastern europe) if you could just pay for an 18 year old or whatever prostitute legally.

I feel that it is kinda like pot. Make pot legal and you divorce it from all the "harder" drugs. Most are happy with pot, they don't want coke or heroine, expect when the same guy selling pot also deals in that stuff because it's all illegal.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

But would be curious if child trafficking is much less in those areas than in the America's (and I assume across Asia and eastern europe) if you could just pay for an 18 year old or whatever prostitute legally.

I guess that depends on the definition of "child", I doubt legalised prostitution has any effect on actual pedophilia (pre-pubescent sexual preference), since and 18 year old doesn't look like a 10 year old obviously.
So I don't think it would have any impact on pre-pubescent child trafficking.

 

[Kings Field]

He and Hilary were always weird politicians. How these to got into political power is a mystery. Bill always seemed like a dirtbag and Lewinsky shenanigans proved it. And big time feminist Hilary stuck by him the entire time. You'd think she would had dumped his ass by now, but they are hand and hand.

They caught too many bodies together to leave each others side.

 

[Flutta]

Bunch of Paedofinder Generals in this thread lmao
Hawking is only mentioned as a potential deflection strategy:

So who made you the defender of pedos?

 

[Kings Field]

Just look at Bohemian Grove. Been a known weirdo fest for decades for politicians and Hollywood elites.

Democrat, Republican, Hollywood, foreign leaders, etc. they’re all evil.

 

[VaultBoy101]

You might want to learn the difference between civil liability and criminal, i know you're blinded by your biases, but some basic civics isn't going hurt you

Yeah it's kind of like the O.J. situation. He was found not guilty in criminal court but liable in the civil case, so he definitely didn't do any murders at all.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I think that was more of them wanting him to be there, they literally kept asking

Well Trump owned resorts, hotels and has a plane...So he did have connections for sure. Was he involved though? That's a different question. People (some) want him to be involved but it might happen that he is not involved.

 

[stn]

Trump is mentioned in the Plaintiff's allegations, there are accusations of rape. I forget the page number but it is there in that huge document. As a lawyer, I always assume a party is innocent until proven otherwise, but in this case we gotta acknowledge that there is a lot of smoke and fire here.

Clinton, Trump, and others may potentially be innocent (in the civil sense, at least), but they may also be liable. We'll probably never know because this case will eventually settle like most of them do.

 

[Rentahamster]

Regarding Trump:

Based on the information so far, he's coming out of this as one of the good guys.

That Twitter post seems to be lacking a lot of background and context. The Twitter user didn't post the link, so I went and found it myself. The source is from a new book that is coming out.

https://www.amazon.com/Grifters-Club-Mar-Lago-Presidency/dp/1541756959

Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after sex criminal hit on member's daughter, book claims

A new book details what led to the banishment of Jeffrey Epstein, a former friend of Presidents Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, from Trump's Mar-a-Lago club.

www.cnbc.com

President Donald Trump banned his former friend, the wealthy investor Jeffrey Epstein, from his exclusive Mar-a-Lago Club for hitting on the teenage daughter of another member, a new book says.

The late Epstein’s banishment by Trump from the Palm Beach, Florida, club appears to have occurred months before Epstein pleaded guilty in 2008 to state criminal charges in Florida, which included paying for sexual services from a 14-year-old girl.

But it also seems to have happened more than two years after a state grand jury charged Epstein with soliciting prostitution.

The new book “The Grifter’s Club: Trump, Mar-a-Lago, and the Selling of the Presidency,” also says that despite claims to the contrary by Trump’s company, Epstein had been himself a member of Mar-a-Lago before he was banned.

Rough timeline -

1992




1998

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article244689497.html

Several models who worked for Epstein associate Jean-Luc Brunel, who allegedly helped procure for him underage girls, tell of being taken to swank parties at Mar-a-Lago. Zoe Brock, a New Zealander who quit Brunel’s agency in Paris in 1991 after, she says, she was on the receiving end of his unwanted sexual advances at age 17, still has the wristband from when, while with another agency, she and other young girls and women were taken together on a bus from Miami to Mar-a-Lago in 1998.

Brock was represented by Next, a modeling agency that only last year was revealed by the Daily Beast to have been — unbeknownst to Brock — partially owned by Brunel. At 24, she was one of the eldest women on the bus to Mar-a-Lago; many she is sure were underage. Brock said she had been pressured by the agency to attend against her wishes and was paid to be there. Once they arrived, she and the other models were required to wear candy cane-striped wristbands, although it was not Christmas season. “The only people wearing them were the models. A busload of girls, some of whom were underage, shipped to a party and made to look obvious. Clearly, we were meat. None of the other guests were forced to wear anything so tacky,” Brock said in an interview from New Zealand.

The party was in the late fall or early winter, during what models call “the season,” a period where it is too cold to do beach shots in most places other than Miami. Brock said she was given a spiked drink at the party and, after recovering, demanded to be taken home immediately. Despite being ill, she was initially told she had to stay until 3 a.m. when the bus was due to depart. After accusing Mar-a-Lago of “kidnapping” her, she claims the club found her a chauffeured car and got her back to Miami Beach very swiftly.

After learning last year that the modeling agency back then was owned by Brunel, she sees the Mar-a-Lago trip in a clearer light. “It makes perfect sense to me that Jean-Luc owned the agency that was being paid to send girls there. That was his MO [modus operandi],” Brock said of Brunel. “Let me send pretty young things to grotesque, rich, old perverts and profit off it.”

2002

Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery

He’s pals with a passel of Nobel Prize–winning scientists, CEOs like Leslie Wexner of the Limited, socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, even Donal […]

nymag.com

Fact Check: Did Donald Trump call Jeffrey Epstein a "terrific guy"?

New details about Jeffrey Epstein are set to be revealed this week through court documents.

www.newsweek.com

And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

2007

Epstein membership at Mar-a-lago ended

A footnote in the book says the authors were shown the club’s registry from more than a decade earlier and that Epstein in fact had been a member until October 2007. “The member lists we saw were essentially spreadsheets. They listed current members, honorary members and former members. Red cells indicate the closed account details for former members,” explained co-author Nehamas. “Most closed accounts are labeled ‘Resigned’ and then the date that the membership ended. Epstein’s account says ‘Account closed 10/07.’”

The reason for the falling out further calls into question why Trump, when asked at the White House podium recently about last month’s sex-trafficking arrest of Epstein’s alleged madam, Ghislaine Maxwell, said “I wish her well.” Up until the falling out in 2007, Maxwell and Epstein appeared in numerous photos with Trump and his now-wife Melania. “I think the comments show the difficulty Trump and Palm Beachers have in acknowledging abhorrent behavior in people they consider part of their social circle,” Blaskey said. “When reporting this book, we heard many times that Epstein’s victims had done pretty well financially, despite the abuse, and shouldn’t really be pitied. It was sickening.”

 

[Modi1984]

I thought his mansion was on the island.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

Lots of potential evidence mysteriously disappeared. Fishy as fuck.

 

[Meicyn]

Bill Clinton? Donald Trump? Prince Andrew? All these upstanding leaders with reputations for honorable behavior hanging out with Epstein? Nah, I don’t believe it. There’d be photos of them hanging out with Jeffrey if it were true. I don’t believe it.

Spoiler

Prosecute them all.

 

[sono]

Why did all these people go to Epstein for their kicks.

I wouldnt

 

[Thaedolus]

Why did all these people go to Epstein for their kicks.

I wouldnt

The theory is this guy was an epic schmoozer whose entire game was to get powerful people to do terrible things to children so he could have compromising material on them and influence their policy making.

How much that worked out is anybody’s guess, but if you went to that island you probably deserve some concrete boots.