DontBeThatGuy
Member
I tried and tried to get into this, but after 25 hours of fits and starts, I gave up. Maybe if I would've played the PC version, I wouldn't felt somewhat differently. (never played New Vegas)
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LTTP: Fallout 3 (or why I made a huge mistake in playing this after New Vegas.)
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Blue Ninja
Member
Same here, spent an entire afternoon modding Fallout 3 to get it ready, played it for three hours and just lost the will to continue. It's one of my favorite games ever, with a lot of great memories attached to it, but I just can't replay it anymore.
Might try to revisit New Vegas, but I had the same thing happen to me with Skyrim and Mass Effect 2, recently. Two of my GOAT's, but I've played both so much that they can't hold my attention for long anymore.
Maybe I can try again once the well of new games dries up.
chaobreaker
Member
The legion is pretty hardcore. Did you see what they did to Nipton?
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
I was bored out of my mind by Fallout 3. Such a poorly designed game. Another huge Bethesda world with nothing to do.
New Vegas, on the other hand, I loved. Precisely because there was some sort of design to propel you forward.
New Vegas, on the other hand, I loved. Precisely because there was some sort of design to propel you forward.
To be fair to the Legion though every human group in both games are pushovers. Your character can pretty much be the Mojave Angel of Death and wipe out both the NCR and the Legion if you choose. The only human NPC I remember giving me somewhat of a challenge was Legate Lanius, which makes me wonder why Caesar didn't just send him in to wipe out the NCR.
skLaFarebear
Member
Fallout 3 bored the hell out of me. Other than the combat and VATS, nothing about it was particularly awful, but nothing about the game was any great. It was all ok at best.
Might just be my overall dislike of open world games though.
Might just be my overall dislike of open world games though.
SchrodingerC
Member
Yes, and the problem with them was their actions were scarier then the Legion itself. Again, when you make the walk through Nipton the atmosphere of dread it created was great, but once you talk to any of the legion NPCs they become kinda goofy. Their outifts certainly didn't help either, reinforcing the 'LARPing slavers' thing.
It's the unfortunate balance between gameplay and story. Like you said, when your character becomes the roaming apocalypse it kinda nulls certain aspects of the story and quests.
- Interesting, the last chunk of the game I played with fawks. He literally destroyed everything, no dmg sponges there.
- I didn't really enjoy NV, I found the quests lines to be extremely convoluted. I didn't really know what I was actually supposed to be doing 90% of the time. To the point where something got so confused or messed to up I had to put a key in my inventory to finish the game. This was after a long search on the internet to actually figure out where I was in the story line.
daninthemix
Member
Fallout 3 is an affirmation of why I play videogames, and I'm delighted at the success Bethesda enjoyed from it.
That said, I did get tired of the metro tunnels.
That said, I did get tired of the metro tunnels.
Dick Justice
Banned
The invisible walls were annoying in NV, but I much prefer them to the way you're forced to use the metro in 3 to get around the city. Ammo crafting system wasn't "bad", and the karma system was pretty much just a leftover mechanic from 3, with faction reputation taking its place. And I personally found NV's world more interesting because a lot of the landmarks made logical sense, with a ton of backstory, and they felt less like a theme park attraction like in 3.
Without a doubt in my mind New Vegas is the better game in every concealable way.
But did I remember Fallout 3 pretty fondly and rather enjoyed it at the time. Having said that if you were to only play one of those games before 4 comes out make it New Vegas.
Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or shouldn't be trusted. Even if they personally preferred 3.
Is there actually anyone who prefers Fallout 3 who played New Vegas first?
But did I remember Fallout 3 pretty fondly and rather enjoyed it at the time. Having said that if you were to only play one of those games before 4 comes out make it New Vegas.
Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or shouldn't be trusted. Even if they personally preferred 3.
Is there actually anyone who prefers Fallout 3 who played New Vegas first?
The few major gripes I had were that the weapons and armor did not have much value and that you had to keep spares for repairs.
In F1 and F2 equipment cost quite a lot, so you had to make some choices. Like whether to buy a new hunting rifle and only have few bullets for it, or try to manage a quest with your lesser weapon
Other gripe I had was that F3 did not have many quests in towns (nor there were many towns). In F1, F2 and somewhat in New Vegas, many quests were about power struggles within towns, and you had to choose sides.
In F1 and F2 equipment cost quite a lot, so you had to make some choices. Like whether to buy a new hunting rifle and only have few bullets for it, or try to manage a quest with your lesser weapon
Other gripe I had was that F3 did not have many quests in towns (nor there were many towns). In F1, F2 and somewhat in New Vegas, many quests were about power struggles within towns, and you had to choose sides.
I think I spent 5x the length of time on Fallout 3 and never played Mothership Zeta or Point Lookout. 64 hours to me seems like such a short amount of time.
The fun for me comes from exploring the world and all the random encounters and finds that come with it. I definitely think F3 had a better world for exploring but NV definitely has a better narrative and that's why I prefer F3.
I'll never forget coming across a door in what appeared to be a damaged bunker near the satellite stations at the top left of the map. I find this door and think it's going to be an elaborate installation leading to the tower network. I open it and inside is a wall with "FUCK YOU" in green paint. I wasn't even disappointed. The inclusions of that kind of fun discovery made it for me
The fun for me comes from exploring the world and all the random encounters and finds that come with it. I definitely think F3 had a better world for exploring but NV definitely has a better narrative and that's why I prefer F3.
I'll never forget coming across a door in what appeared to be a damaged bunker near the satellite stations at the top left of the map. I find this door and think it's going to be an elaborate installation leading to the tower network. I open it and inside is a wall with "FUCK YOU" in green paint. I wasn't even disappointed. The inclusions of that kind of fun discovery made it for me
CecilRousso
Member
The one thing I take from the Fallout 3 vs New Vegas comparison is that New Vegas added and changed a lot of things that I will expect to find in Fallout 4 to not be dissapointed with it.
Das_Blarthole
Neo Member
The Metro tunnels are pretty much the biggest downside to F3, as you rightly say it partitions the DC area far too much, some of it is good of course, but if you play Metro 2033 and Last Light, you get a feel for what could have been done with the Metro system in terms of more communities etc.
It took me a long time to actually complete Fallout 3, it was for a long time my back-burner game, and I also like New Vegas far more than Fallout 3
It took me a long time to actually complete Fallout 3, it was for a long time my back-burner game, and I also like New Vegas far more than Fallout 3
Dangansona
Member
These were my problems with New Vegas and why I was never able to finish it despite trying 2-3 times. That and like others have said the Mojave Wasteland is just so boring and ugly. I don't think it is fair to act like its universally accepted that New Vegas is the better game. Depends on what your priorities are in a Fallout game.
...Also I love VATS...
Edit: That said, the DC area to an extent and DEFINITELY the tunnels are a major problem with the game.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Right
You know you can go inside all those caves, vaults and metro stations
Right
That's a thing you know
The Bethesda Fatigue is a very real thing, though. Usually for me it kicks in at around 100 hours or so. Probably a lot to do with the fact that sooner or later you inevitably turn into a demigod.
The early game hours when you're dirt poor, have to run away from fights and dig trash in the hopes of finding something decent are by the most fun I have in Bethesda games.
New Vegas has more quests.
this is definitely true, but honestly, after 100 hours, i feel like I got my money worth and could probably just uninstall the game
Oh yeah, Bethesda's games are pretty much unrivaled in terms of bang for buck (except for maybe some strategy titles like Civ series or Paradox games, but they're in a different category of timesink altogether), especially since even after being bored with their games, I inevitably gravitate back after a few years and it'll feel completely fresh again.
Stallion Dan
Member
I hated New Vegas because of the factions. Like you do a quest for the good guys and kill an enemy boss and get some powerful armour...then you can never wear it without the good guys attacking you. You'd have to kill a good guy boss to get his armour instead, but that screws you up with them..
So stupid, in FO3 the BoS never cared if I strolled in wearing Enclave armour.
Also NV having no random encounters made exploring a boring waste of time. Just follow quest markers for 60 hours.
So stupid, in FO3 the BoS never cared if I strolled in wearing Enclave armour.
Also NV having no random encounters made exploring a boring waste of time. Just follow quest markers for 60 hours.
With the metro in three you could mostly just not use them if you didn't want to because there is a whole world outside of the city, while with NV your almost forces along a certain path whether you want to do the main quest or not, which is really dumb for an open world game.
The karma system was still poorly implemented in NV. You could kill a convict and gain karma but loot their stuff afterwards and you lose karma. And with the faction reputation it was dumb, accidentally shoot one person and suddenly the whole faction in the whole desert hates you and sense your now kill on sight it's pretty much impossible to do anything about it so you lose that mission tree.
Dick Justice
Banned
How does the game force you along a certain path exactly? And you had to use the shitty metro system in 3 if you wanted to do the quests in that area.
Karma system was nonsensical in places, I agree with that. The reputation mechanic was done pretty well. Yes, shooting someone in a faction will result in that faction not liking you, how is that dumb? And I've killed NCR soldiers in a playthrough, and haven't been shot at on sight in other areas controlled by them unless my rep got really low.
"I want choice but not choice thats detrimental to me" is how a lot of players feel about RPGs.
Regginator
Member
while I agree that new vegas is superior to 3, it also had the karma system, looting, vats and some other stuff you are criticising. I think the only biggest thing that new vegas is superior in is the story line, but they're both very very similar.
Dick Justice
Banned
TBF, the karma system in New Vegas is barely a factor. It affects one companion, and isn't really used for much else. Also VATS was less OP because you're not as durable when using it.
Most players would probably consider the Death Claws a barrier that forced them to go a specific route.
Dick Justice
Banned
Maybe, but I much prefer that to everything scaling to your level. And it's a good challenge for more experienced players to try and get past them early on instead of going the conventional way around.
Agreed, I hope Fallout 4 has more situations like Witcher 3 where I run up on a ? and I'm never sure what level of enemy I'm about to face.
Octavianus
Banned
Playing Fallout 3 at all was your mistake OP, not the order in which you decided to play the games.
That OP picture makes me remember the time I decided to deck the Megaton people with my extra armor I found during my adventures, abusing the reverse pickpocketing mechanic. It was funny to see everyone walking around in dumb enclave clothes.
What happens if you do the same in New Vegas? Do people start shooting each other if they see someone with clothes of the wrong faction?
What happens if you do the same in New Vegas? Do people start shooting each other if they see someone with clothes of the wrong faction?
Red Blaster
Member
fallout 3's world is great as exemplified by the supermarket that still has a stockpile of supplies in it 200 years after the bombs fell
and gore bags
and gore bags
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
Member
My first PS3 game and the first game I'd played from the series and even of its type.
So yeah it's got FFVII status with me, I know it's not the absolute best but it will always hold a special place.
So yeah it's got FFVII status with me, I know it's not the absolute best but it will always hold a special place.
A Tale of Two Wastelands mod is the best, because you can use the Terrible Shotgun from FO3 in New Vegas.
It's the best of both worlds because it adds all of FO3 as an expansion to the mechanically superior NV. While I like a lot of the quests in NV and especially the improved dialogue / choices (you can lie to a lot of people), the atmosphere of FO3 still stands out to me way more.
It's the best of both worlds because it adds all of FO3 as an expansion to the mechanically superior NV. While I like a lot of the quests in NV and especially the improved dialogue / choices (you can lie to a lot of people), the atmosphere of FO3 still stands out to me way more.
TharpDaddy
Member
So I still don't know if I just burned out on Fallout or what but I put many, many hours into 3; i'd consider it one of my favorite games ever. New Vegas I just never got as drawn into. I beat the main story once but I skipped a lot of the side content and mostly just mainlined it. I've tried to play it again probably 5+ times but no luck.
Dick Justice
Banned
TTW looks incredibly interesting to me. But I think I'll wait and see with regards to mod compatibility before I install it for a future playthrough. Combining the main story of both games, along with the DLC and the quest mods, would make for a fucking gargantuan playtime. And probably a massively bloated save file too.
I'm assuming New Vegas only added to 3's gameplay mechanics and stuff, so would I be correct in saying that there's nothing lost in translation compared to playing 3 normally, aside from stuff like more durable super mutants due to NV's damage threshold system?
Messofanego
Banned
Looks like I should play New Vegas. Only played 2, never touched 3 (and OP convinced me I shouldn't even bother) or anything afterwards. Pretty awesome when games can give such divergent experiences.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
The problem with Fallout 3 is it's too easy.
I was gearing up for what I expected to be a major war at the end of the game but all the super-powerful weapons and ammo I amassed were never needed. The game just ends in a whimper and I found that very disappointing. No doubt mods would have improved things a lot but alas I never played F3 with mods, only vanilla.
That said it's still a great game, just had big wasted potential. Currently playing through a heavily modded New Vegas.
I was gearing up for what I expected to be a major war at the end of the game but all the super-powerful weapons and ammo I amassed were never needed. The game just ends in a whimper and I found that very disappointing. No doubt mods would have improved things a lot but alas I never played F3 with mods, only vanilla.
That said it's still a great game, just had big wasted potential. Currently playing through a heavily modded New Vegas.
Shai-Tan
Banned
I think I made a mistake playing New Vegas after Fallout 3. The improvements weren't enough to make me want to play more Fallout. I walked around for a few hours then just quit after getting bored mid game while shooting radscorpions with a submachine gun. I heard the story was better but I can only take so much wandering and shooting stuff with vatts.
I may have been less tired of fallout if there was a long gap between when I played both games but Nvidia broke Fallout 3 for like a year in their drivers at one point (if you wanted to play it you had to go back to an ancient driver set)
I may have been less tired of fallout if there was a long gap between when I played both games but Nvidia broke Fallout 3 for like a year in their drivers at one point (if you wanted to play it you had to go back to an ancient driver set)
Dick Justice
Banned
Despite the Legion side of the story being undercooked due to the game's short development schedule, the branching paths in the story make for a much more compelling narrative than "side with the Brotherhood and beat the evil Enclave before they take over all the water". I like how morally grey the factions are (the Legion less so), so you're given a reason to actually think about who to side with. Not to mention that you can kill pretty much anyone and anything in the game, and the one character you can't kill actually has a well-explained reason for his invulnerability beyond "this character is essential, pumping shotgun rounds into him will just render him unconscious".
SliChillax
Member
Gameplay was so bad I simply couldn't enjoy the game and so were the visuals. I tried playing New Vegas but I got bored after half an hour of playing the game. The gameplay is just bad. Don't remember ever playing such unpolished games. I do appreciate the scale and the side quests but the game was not for me. I already pre ordered Fallout 4 because I really want to get into the game, love the atmosphere and setting.