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Magic: the Gathering |OT11| Amonkhet - Have you ever had decks with a Pharaoh?
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Wait for the pt before panicking.
Though we really should still have reflector mage and not Gideon. The wrong card was banned. Might have also forced wotc not be idiots and ban copycat sooner.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I've tried copycat in a UW tempo shell before the bannings. It was completely busted, Ref Mage was the correct ban.
Imperfected
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Reflector Mage should have gone way sooner when CoCo was running wild. It was a good ban, just kind of witlessly timed.
No Coco should have gone and that's obvious
So it was the suped up manowar and not the insta win combo. Right.
Top 64 decklists: http://sales.starcitygames.com//dec...&country=US&start_num=50&start_num=0&limit=25
A bunch Sultai decks in that thing. They just seem so greedy, but I love them.
A bunch Sultai decks in that thing. They just seem so greedy, but I love them.
Sultai is the color combo of greed so it makes sense.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I mean sure, the cat should have gone then and there and I said as much at the time but in lieu of it staying Ref Mage had to go.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Why do we call it Mardu vehicles when it runs one vehicle
Imperfected
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I mean, either one works. I just err in favor of banning Reflector Mage because it's a card that seems to have been printed for Magic's equivalent of griefers, and I don't know why they keep making these things.
Because it used to run more and it's the same basic shell.
Inertia, basically.
divisionbyzorro
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Same reason we still use Affinity to describe the Modern Metalcraft Aggro deck.
Imperfected
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I just call it Mardu Vehicles to try and trick Wizards into banning Heart of Kiran and not Gideon.
And it will work.
And it will work.
I'm not panicking. I'm just sick of the deck.
Infinite Stars
Member
Gideon 100% needs to be axed if this trend of him continues
You mean Tinman's Allstar Band?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I just realized I can play this in Narset superfriends.
and I want one of these anyways for when I put as foretold into Zur.
charlequin
Banned
Unlike all the Kaladesh stuff he naturally rotates pretty soon anyway.
If you're gonna ban something at this point, take Heart out b/c of that.
shrapnelmagnet
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Congrats!
I really like the look of this set for limited. Looking forward to getting into some drafts / whatever with some people at work
That's awesome. Save us from the Mardu threat!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nah. They don't need more bans.
SigmasonicX
Member
The format can adjust to having more artifact destruction without just being Mardu Vehicles vs. specific hate decks.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Why does an increase in artifact hate get thrown around so much as an argument against against mardu vehicles?
There's 10 to 12 targets in the deck total, 4 of which come back from the graveyard, 2 to 4 of which you never actually get to kill and just 4 cards in Heart of Kiran that you're happy to destroy.
Postboard the deck transform in a way drawing artifact hate can straight lose you the game while they deploy one PW after the other.
There's 10 to 12 targets in the deck total, 4 of which come back from the graveyard, 2 to 4 of which you never actually get to kill and just 4 cards in Heart of Kiran that you're happy to destroy.
Postboard the deck transform in a way drawing artifact hate can straight lose you the game while they deploy one PW after the other.
They were incredibly reluctant to even go forward with the cat ban, even when public support for a ban was at an all time high. (although I guess their terrible social media policies cloud that somewhat?) I can't imagine they'll ban Gideon unless the PT has 5+ Mardu Vehicles in the Top 8. They'll just ride out the rest of his rotation till fall rather than eat the PR hit of having to make ANOTHER banning.
Weirdly enough, I think if there hadn't been so much pressure to get the cat banned this past week that we actually got a PT with Copycat and Mardu dueling again, there would have been a better shot of getting Gideon banned. Now I have to imagine they'll want to minimize the count of the total number of different ban announcements they had to issue this year.
Weirdly enough, I think if there hadn't been so much pressure to get the cat banned this past week that we actually got a PT with Copycat and Mardu dueling again, there would have been a better shot of getting Gideon banned. Now I have to imagine they'll want to minimize the count of the total number of different ban announcements they had to issue this year.
shrapnelmagnet
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I don't know the specific article / reference (brief search didn't turn it up), but I thought I remember some Richard Garfield interview where he thought that they should be making cards worthy of being banned, otherwise they weren't trying hard enough. Or something to that effect.
I don't think this scenario is exactly what he had in mind, of course - assuming he even ever said that, lol.
Anyway, I liked the look of that Mono-Black Aggro deck this weekend. I am curious to see if we see any serious iterations on it...
I don't think this scenario is exactly what he had in mind, of course - assuming he even ever said that, lol.
Anyway, I liked the look of that Mono-Black Aggro deck this weekend. I am curious to see if we see any serious iterations on it...
shrapnelmagnet
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That's fair and likely
I just had a match against that deck, and I gotta say it feels quite janky, heh. It loses ground fast to mid-range
say, where can you see how the SCG players/decks performened, minus the drafting part?
I don't know what you mean with the drafting part, but all decklists, etc for SCG Atlanta are here http://www.starcitygames.com/events/290417_atlanta.html
wasn't it the SCG where the winner is determined by playing a draft + standard?
No, they don't play limited. That's the pro tours, where it's draft+standard.
Judging by how much WotC tried their hardest to avoid banning Felidar Guardian, I'd say you're right. They're probably thinking "Please for the love of God don't ask us to ban anything else!" It's already pretty embarrassing that they had to ban as many cards as they did, I can't imagine how they'd feel if they ended up banning 5-6 cards from standard.
SigmasonicX
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I don't recall him saying that in particular, but his view on the Power Nine was that they were important in driving early interest in the game.
Hapatra EDH decks? Some sort of scam? I honestly have no idea.
What's up with this one?
Seems like a very misguided buyout.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It goes infinite with Hapatra and two of her tokens since you get a snake every time you place a -1/-1 and can put it on a snake that immediately dies and repeat.
Simply Sarah
Member
What's up with this one?
I mean, it's the same basic thing that happens whenever some concept gets a bit of attention. Stuff starts to get bought out regardless of if it's actually functional or not. And then the price will slowly come back down some but not all the way. tl;dr The singles market remains awful.
Yup this, but why anyone would want to pay $20 for that I don't know. You still need a third piece to do something.
Imperfected
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I don't think they'll actually ban Heart unless things are truly dire (ie, 90% Mardu Vehicles in Top 8's), but I'd be tickled pink if they did.
It makes sense why Mardu would dominate first week. It was top 2 before the ban. Most people already had the cards for the deck. We'll see if it continues to dominate or not.
I like the bant direction for aether marvelwork. I did try it before the new set but Temur was stronger. Cast Out may push Bant over the top now.
I like the bant direction for aether marvelwork. I did try it before the new set but Temur was stronger. Cast Out may push Bant over the top now.
I'd look for decent creatures with Wither and Infect. Most of those are pretty cheap from what I've seen. Then anything with Proliferate (probably less cheap). Shadowmoor block and New Phyrexia should be were you're getting most of your creatures I'd imagine.
Imperfected
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Contagion Engine seems like a must, yeah.
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