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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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Imperfected
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He's not great, but it's not like he's Saheeli or something. Poor guy.
Edit: I think Dovin Baan more realistically needed either 1WU mana cost or 4 Loyalty.
Not really. Dovin Baan is just a terrible card. My theory is that he was supposed to be a three drop and they changed him last minute in development. 4 drop planeswalkers usually have game winning ults. His ult is more akin to a three drop planeswalker.
Imperfected
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He does seem relatively consistent with the other recent 3-drop walkers. He's actually fairly similar to Last Hope, albeit generally worse, and at 3 CMC he would have socketed in more or less neatly between her and Gideon of the Trials.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I'm patiently awaiting acknowledgement that Dovin Baan is the worst PW since Tibalt.
best PT moment I've seen since origins. Yasooka effectively shrugging at it.
Samut the Tested might take that cake.
Aren't they basically flooding the game with shitty planeswalkers through intro decks or whatever? I still don't think I've seen any of those non-booster planeswalkers in person.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I'm counting worth in EDH also why Living Guildpact didn't make the list for being able to deal with nonland permanents temporarily.
they don't count. Though the last Bolas and Gideon are much better than Dovin Baan
Imperfected
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Most people don't even really acknowledge those cards exist, to be honest. Like, yes, they are technically allowed to be played, but people just prefer to pretend like they're silver-border cards so that they don't have to smell 'em.
Oh wow
A +1 on a 4 mana Planeswalker that does nothing without a creature
And a -2 that deals 2 damage.
Imperfected
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All I've got to say about Samut is there had better be some card in Hour or Ixalan that would have been legit completely busted if he didn't suck as bad as he does. My suspicion, though, is he's just another victim in the continuing saga of "Double Strike is fundamentally ridiculous to balance because you have to treat every case as exponential."
charlequin
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Couple interesting things from Blogatog today. First:
It's interesting but not at all surprising that both more competitive environments and environments where you deal with more actual strangers who play Magic both do worse with women than playing on a computer.
This is a weirdly specific answer....
As is this....
It's interesting but not at all surprising that both more competitive environments and environments where you deal with more actual strangers who play Magic both do worse with women than playing on a computer.
This is a weirdly specific answer....
As is this....
Imperfected
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I'd be interested in how those numbers change over time. I know when OG Innistrad came out there were women all over the (game) shop where I played, but recent events have been pretty sparse, but with far more kids than before.
That's complicated by the fact I've moved in between, though (from U-District in Seattle to Redmond), so I have no clue if it's even slightly reflective of the overall demographic shift.
That's complicated by the fact I've moved in between, though (from U-District in Seattle to Redmond), so I have no clue if it's even slightly reflective of the overall demographic shift.
Infinite Stars
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That's some very specific Denial, MaRo. Very specific...
Samut, the Overtested is a much more accurate name
Like, at least Tamiyo(my personal pet Planeswalker card) can target your Opponent's creatures and still get value. Samut can't. She's awful in mainphase 1 and 2(it doesn't last past end of turn, so the defensive value isn't there) and -2 for a Electrolyze minus the cycle is not worth it.
Samut, the Overtested is a much more accurate name
Remembrance
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The bottom three packs of every box of Unstable will contain only black-bordered masterpiece Power, dual lands, and APAC basics.
If no one ever opens those packs they will be recalled and destroyed, and no one will ever know what they missed out on.
SigmasonicX
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I do think Unstable having official proxies (exactly like the RL cards but silver bordered with Proxy in the name) would be neat.
It's not surprising at all that the mobile gaming demo information was warping the stats. It's not something most people consider actually "playing the game", and that demo is majority-female w/ gaming overall.
GoutPatrol
Forgotten in his cell
Boy this really seems like Urza is back at the first WUBRG walker.
Yah this seems like a very obvious thing to do.
blindrocket
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Success! Though, at the cost of going through practically every box I have containing Magic cards. I finally found my copy of Decree of Silence. I knew I had that somewhere. I picked it up on a whim for Commander but never got around to putting it into a deck. Now I know it will get use.
That would be utter trash for multiple reasons
No, he's plain UG- "Very Simic"
It totally would make sense for a 5 color walker to show up in Unscrewed. My guess is it's Richard Garfield? Considering he got a Legend card in Unhinged, having "Richard Garfield, Ascended" or something would be funny.
Didn't he say they don't do vanity cards anymore?
charlequin
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Remembrance
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A WUBRG walker in Unstable would just ruin the novelty of when they print a real one.
I think they go the safe route. Print a joke Gatewatch cycle.
- A Gideon who only turns into a creature
- A Jace with seven abilities and no room for art
- Liliana of the Veil
- A Chandra that doesn't deal damage
- Nissa, with Garruk art because they used up all the Nissa art
I think they go the safe route. Print a joke Gatewatch cycle.
- A Gideon who only turns into a creature
- A Jace with seven abilities and no room for art
- Liliana of the Veil
- A Chandra that doesn't deal damage
- Nissa, with Garruk art because they used up all the Nissa art
Why not just WUBRG as "The Gatewatch" all on one card?
Small set trickling spoilers with the next upcoming set already having massive leaks? Ya, it's pretty slow going.
I do wonder how a 5c Walker would work
charlequin
Banned
Same way 5c cards work in general: you stat them like an 8-9 mana 1/2 color card and let them do any old random garbage you want.
Remembrance
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That also could be a black-bordered card.
The other thing is, I don't think there is any impressive ultimate a WUBRG planeswalker could have other than "you win the game" or "target player loses the game". Unless you make an ability with five parts that would take up a third of the card just to print.
Imperfected
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I mean, it doesn't have to have an ultimate. I think we're starting to see the design space open up more in terms of walkers not really having (at least, a conventional) ultimate, which is good since the ultimate is wasted text on like 75% of them in actual play.
lol the last game of Reid Duke playing Elves vs Miracles is amazing.
Ya I suppose
I suppose my actual question would be what does a genuine attempt at 5c design space look like because conflux was kinda just powered up stuff that had restrictive mana (like you said).
FreedomFrisbee
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There are plenty of reasonable ways for Urza to come back. Everyone keeps saying he's dead but he technically isn't. Urza, Gerard, Karn, and The Weatherlight are all fused. They actually reference it in one of the Scars cards that has Karn on it, so its totally still uncontradicted canon. Heck, his eyes are technically somewhere in Karn. Easy avenue would be to bring Urza back when Karn is destroyed, Urza's ghost comes out. Especially if something totally not obvious like Raven Man being Yawgmoth were to happen.
charlequin
Banned
Well, that last part is exactly why it would be a good silver-bordered gag, heh.
Reasonable ones, no. For all that people bitch about Jace with misused terms like "Mary Sue," Urza is actually a ludicrously overpowered, self-insert-y type character who's written as always being right about everything despite constantly doing awful shit and who warped the entire game's storyline around himself for years.
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