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[clarky]

Wow a post where we both agree. Now I never played 3D World. But just do want a sequel too Mario Odyseey. And yes BotW Durability made me quit after 2 hours. Game just bored me. Wasn't for me.

I found odessey too easy. i just sort of coasted through the game.

 

[CosmicComet]

Wow a post where we both agree. Now I never played 3D World. But just do want a sequel too Mario Odyseey. And yes BotW Durability made me quit after 2 hours. Game just bored me. Wasn't for me.

Believe it or not but I thought 3D World was even more fun than Odyssey due to all the transformations.

Some may look down on it as a Wii U port but it's much more than that, since they bothered to make a meaty 'expansion' for it called Bowser's Fury which did not exist on the original game on Wii U.

I highly recommend it.

 

[P.Jack]

I agree about the PSX but the Saturn? I also had one and it's overall far worse than the N64 performance wise if you exclude 2D games. Both Quake and Duke Nukem 3D are sub-20fps fests, Daytona USA is 20fps, the Wipeout port is 20fps (the N64 port is 30fps). And let's not even talk about Saturn DOOM vs DOOM 64. There is nothing on either PSX or Saturn that can be remotely compared to DOOM 64 visual and performance wise.

I guess, it's a matter of what games you ended up with. I get that a lot of games by RARE had unstable performance on the N64, and these games are some of the most popular. But a game in the scope of OOT, running at 20fps isn't that bad (for the time). It's not comparable to Tomb Raider either. That one is a very simple puzzle-platformer with no analog movement, no camera control, etc and very simple, boxy environments with short draw distances. It was surpassed by Mario 64 (bigger environments, proper analog 3D movement, unlimited draw distances, stable 30fps).

OOT is way more advanced and ambitious than that. And Tomb Raider also had frame rate issues, especially on the Saturn, OOT at least was locked 20fps.

Yeah maybe you are right about the saturn, only decent performing non-arcade game I can think of is Nights. And yeah Doom 64 is great but clearly an outlier.

Utter nonsense.

I mean, ofcourse they age but if you enjoyed a game 30 years ago, I don’t understand why you wouldn’t enjoy it now. Maybe I should’ve expressed it as good gameplay doesn’t age.

 

[clarky]

Believe it or not but I thought 3D World was even more fun than Odyssey due to all the transformations.

Some may look down on it as a Wii U port but it's much more than that, since they bothered to make a meaty 'expansion' for it called Bowser's Fury which did not exist on the original game on Wii U.

I highly recommend it.

Loved 3d world, for the same reasons. Awesome game.

 

[DragonNCM]

Is this a joke ?

ZELDA OFC !!!

 

[DeviousAngel]

Gosh this is a tough choice, I couldn't imagine a world where videogames exist but either one of these franchises don't. They're so radically different, and have each contributed so much to their respective genres. Based on how many games I have played and enjoyed, I'd say Zalda over Mario by a bit.

 

[Nautilus]

Both.

 

[synchronicity]

Mario by a good margin.

I love the *idea* (and vibe) of Zelda, but with controller in hand, the series is very hit or miss for me. Too many tedious elements in many of the games. Majora's Mask and BOTW are two of my all-time favorites though.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Mario for me. Mario 64 is the ne of the greatest games ever made. It still holds up.

The Zelda series is great too though. I didn’t really get into botw though. The weapon mechanics drove me nuts.

You win either way

 

[Zug]

Well, Sonic of course.

 

[begotten]

They're not even comparable but lets have a look at each franchise and see how many actual 8-10/10s there are for each.

Mario:

Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario 64
Super Mario RPG
Paper Mario TTYD
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2


Zelda:

Link to The Past
Links Awakening
Wind Waker
Minish Cap
Ocarina of Time
Majoras Mask
A Link Between Worlds

Pretty even. I didn't want to put Majora's Mask in but I had to for the N64 hipsters who compare it to OOT because of how deep it is.

 

[Rival]

Zelda by quite a bit. As for Mario they are great games but I’ve always been more into the 2d games.

 

[DGrayson]

Good thread and tough choice but Ill go Zelda.

Like it or not BOTW was a step forward for the franchise. I haven't played Odyssey but is it really different from the 3D Mario games before that?

 

[Kev Kev]

Like it or not BOTW was a step forward for the franchise.

100%

skyward sword had me quite worried about the future of the series. and then botw blows my tits off and becomes my favorite game of all time. even if youre not as fond of it as i was, its hard to deny it was absolutely a big step in the right direction after skyward sword.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Hmm. For poll purposes I chose Mario since that's what I grew up with and what I can play in short sessions, although Zelda is the better series overall. And now, some scorching hot takes:

Mario 3 > Mario World. Fight me IRL.

The best game on the Super Nintendo is a Zelda game. The second best game on the Super Nintendo is a Yoshi game. The third best game on the Super Nintendo is a Samus game. So Mario is 4th in line, sorry. (Not sorry)

New Super Mario Bros U, despite having a boring and uninspired aesthetic and soundtrack, is is the best game in the "new" 2D line. The original NSMB on the DS is a close second. NSMBWii and NSMB2 suck donkey balls.

Despite having an almost tear-inducing nostalgic segment (the Pauline "Jump Up Superstar" sequence) and very high production values, Mario Odyssey is boring and uninspired, and I think the 3D platforming gameplay started with Mario 64 is at a creative end.

No shield needed. Come at me, brahs.

 

[Punished Miku]

I honestly think it's a tie for me. I can't actually pick one over the other. If a mainline entry of either one is out, it's pretty much the best thing ever.

 

[64bitmodels]

Mario Odyssey is boring and uninspired, and I think the 3D platforming gameplay started with Mario 64 is at a creative end.

I'm sorry... but... what???

 

[clarky]

Any better launch title than Super mario world?

 

[InfiniteCombo]

I'm sorry... but... what???

Facts.

To extend my ever-heating hot takes, I think the most fun I had with a 3D Mario game was... Super Mario 3D World.

I like the emphasis on platforming. Not so much the "open exploration" and "collectathon" stuff. Different strokes for different folks, and all that

 

[Halo2redvsblue]

My "only can play one game for the rest of my life" is super Mario All-Stars plus super Mario world...what do you think lol.

 

[TikiLagoonSam]

I’m just here to remind everyone that Mario Odyssey had better Zelda bosses/boss fights then Breath of the Wild did.

 

[93xfan]

LOVE Zelda, but have to go with Mario.

Mario 3 and 64 are at the top of my list of my all time favorites. Plus, World, 2, Sunshine, Bowser’s Fury and Maker 2 are all awesome!

Ocarina, Link to the Past, Legend of Zelda (NES), Breath of the Wild, Majora’s Mask, Wind Waker are all masterpieces too though.

 

[93xfan]

My "only can play one game for the rest of my life" is super Mario All-Stars plus super Mario world...what do you think lol.

I could go with that. It’s between that and Halo MCC (if I can play it online.)

 

[Punished Miku]

I guess I decided. It's mainline 3D Mario for me in first place.

 

[VinnyMac]

My boy the plumber all day everyday

 

[StateofMajora]

Well these days (switch era) definitely Mario. But in the past, it's pretty hard to choose. Both franchises have their high points over the other.

 

[cireza]

Both are pretty meh-ish honestly, but back on the NES, Zelda I and II were awesome games. So probably Zelda.

 

[93xfan]

Both are pretty meh-ish honestly, but back on the NES, Zelda I and II were awesome games. So probably Zelda.

Agree about the NES Zeldas, but Mario 1, 2 and especially 3 were all pretty awesome as well

 

[Vr46]

Zelda

 

[cartman414]

I voted for Mario. It's iconic. But I did come across this gem that I wanted to share:

Spoiler

There is a video that goes with it, but it's annoying and will give you seizures...

Spoiler: Seizure and Annoyance Warning

Somehow I knew I'd be getting this, even though I've never seen it before.

 

[Bragr]

I can give it some merit as an early 3D adventure but it wasn’t really revolutionary since Tomb Raider released two years prior.

WHAT?

I don't even know what this means.

 

[kunonabi]

Zelda has more games I outright hate but the highs are generally higher than Mario so I suppose I'd go Zelda.

 

[KàIRóS]

Zelda, I still consider OoT the best game of all time.

 

[German Hops]

Any better launch title than Super mario world?

-Halo
-Super Mario 64
-Ridge Racer
-Fantavision
-Duck Hunt
-Sonic Adventure

 

[cartman414]

Hmm. For poll purposes I chose Mario since that's what I grew up with and what I can play in short sessions, although Zelda is the better series overall. And now, some scorching hot takes:

Mario 3 > Mario World. Fight me IRL.

The best game on the Super Nintendo is a Zelda game. The second best game on the Super Nintendo is a Yoshi game. The third best game on the Super Nintendo is a Samus game. So Mario is 4th in line, sorry. (Not sorry)

New Super Mario Bros U, despite having a boring and uninspired aesthetic and soundtrack, is is the best game in the "new" 2D line. The original NSMB on the DS is a close second. NSMBWii and NSMB2 suck donkey balls.

Despite having an almost tear-inducing nostalgic segment (the Pauline "Jump Up Superstar" sequence) and very high production values, Mario Odyssey is boring and uninspired, and I think the 3D platforming gameplay started with Mario 64 is at a creative end.

No shield needed. Come at me, brahs.

I'll see your Mario 3 > World (which I agree with) and raise you a Zelda 2 > Mario World.

Zelda II was flawed but uniquely genius, while Mario World was deprecated in comparison to its predecessor. Less variety and challenge, and it was the first step too far into exploration, which has never suited Mario as well as his contemporaries (Samus, Link).

I'd swap Super Metroid (Samus) and LttP (Link) on the SNES list, personally. But then, Super Metroid defined and perfected a subgenre. LttP, while up there as well, left room for growth (see: Link's Awakening and Link Between Worlds).

Any better launch title than Super mario world?

Oh, a few.

 

[skneogaf]

Not every Mario game is a must play when it comes out but zelda games are, in my opinion of course.

 

[cortadew]

Mario on account of spin offs like Mario Kart + its strong mainline games.

Wind waker is definitely a master piece tho and the poster above is on crack.

It is a good game definately but the weakest for me among the 3D Zelda games.

 

[Lillie]

the simplicity of mario games is nice tbh, you don't have to think too much which is a pain with today's games imo, and somtimes with zelda

 

[Buggy Loop]

Metroid > Zelda > Mario

Adventure/exploration games are king to me.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

I'll see your Mario 3 > World (which I agree with) and raise you a Zelda 2 > Mario World.

Zelda II was flawed but uniquely genius, while Mario World was deprecated in comparison to its predecessor. Less variety and challenge, and it was the first step too far into exploration, which has never suited Mario as well as his contemporaries (Samus, Link).

I'd swap Super Metroid (Samus) and LttP (Link) on the SNES list, personally. But then, Super Metroid defined and perfected a subgenre. LttP, while up there as well, left room for growth (see: Link's Awakening and Link Between Worlds).



Oh, a few.

I'll mark your post for when I finally get around to playing Zelda 2 which I haven't played yet.

Link's Awakening expanded upon the practically perfect base that Link to the Past established. And Link Between Worlds (as much as I love that game) is just a remake with a (admittedly cool) new mechanic thrown in. Still a remake though. All of that is to say, that Link to the Past has more impact than the other two games, and stands as the giant on top of the Super Nintendo heap.

I thought that the genre wasn't perfected until Symphony of the Night? That's not a troll question, since I do think Super Metroid is unquestionably a masterpiece of a game.

 

[chixdiggit]

Tough one. I have a lot of fond memories playing both and back when I was a kid I would have definitely said Zelda.
But.... I do feel for me the Mario titles hold up better. I have no interest in replaying any of the Zelda titles but you could throw in almost any Mario title and keep me occupied.

 

[64bitmodels]

I thought that the genre wasn't perfected until Symphony of the Night? That's not a troll question, since I do think Super Metroid is unquestionably a masterpiece of a game.

The difference between castlevania metroidvanias and metroid metroidvanias is the castlevania stuff tends to have more variety when it comes to gameplay, setting, story, music, etc
Metroid never really evolved past Super in terms of basic gameplay loop, even the prime games are guilty of just being metroid, but 3d
i wouldn't want an open world metroid because making it open world would remove all of the great level design that metroidvanias have but we clearly need SOMETHING to spice up the gameplay a little more

 

[TheGreatMusashi]

Mario 3 was and is perfect. Remember beating World, getting bored, and going back to 3.

It is so fucking good.

Both series have some hit and miss entries but overall I’m way more interested in the future of Mario than the future of Zelda.

Both have and will continue to evolve but I feel like Mario has more freedom to do whatever.

I can see new interesting things with Mario, not sure where they’re going to go after BotW 2. Feels like such a pure, idealized version of what Zelda was always meant to be. I wouldn’t want to be faced with that challenge.

With Mario, the powers can shape the experience. A whole game can be made around some new gimmick, sure for better or worse but Zelda will always be Zelda.

That’s not a bad thing, both are exemplary series. Happy to have them both.

Team fat boy or whatever

 

[clarky]

-Halo
-Super Mario 64
-Ridge Racer
-Fantavision
-Duck Hunt
-Sonic Adventure

3 out of 7 not bad.

Mario 3 didn't realize that was a launch title, I was More of an Amiga guy around that time (UK). Fantasic game though, The SNES and MD on import was when i got into console gaming.

Halo for sure though how could I forget that one.

-Ridge Racer
-Fantavision
-Duck Hunt
-Sonic Adventure

None of these hold a candle to SMW imo of course.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

I see "Team SMB3" has a strong presence in this thread.

Fuck yeah.

 

[64bitmodels]

-Halo
-Super Mario 64
-Ridge Racer
-Fantavision
-Duck Hunt
-Sonic Adventure

Dude you make mario would sound like it's a fucking awful game

 

[BlackTron]

Mario. Sure Mario had a few stumbles and dips, but I haven't been truly impressed with Zelda for 20 years while Mario is still pumping out must-have games I won't think twice about buying.

Odyssey was really needed because BOTW, their most important game, was a huge letdown.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Does Mario include Mario Kart, etc? If so, that. But Zelda vs mainline Mario I would say Zelda has had higher highs.

 

[InfiniteCombo]

Does Mario include Mario Kart, etc? If so, that. But Zelda vs mainline Mario I would say Zelda has had higher highs.

100% agree on the higher highs.

But Mario has been more consistent.

 

[AJUMP23]

I enjoy the Mario games more but I play the Zelda games longer.