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Marvel Heroes 2016 |OT3| Highway to the Danger Room
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Try Mr. Fantatic's cooldown build or Thing's one-button Suzie build or summoner Rocket. Or Ms. Marvel, from what I've read.Everyone feels underpowered compared to before...
Yeah, Carol's the only exception I've seen so far.
I'll never get the push to make these kinds of games difficult. I would argue that an overwhelming majority of the people that play these games don't really give a shit about it being difficult, but just want to mop the floor with the faces of the mobs and bosses. This probably goes doubly so for a Superhero/Supervillain setting.
The difficulty should come in some form of ladder, or other special mode dedicated to providing that challenge, like what the Danger Room was supposed to be about.
The difficulty should come in some form of ladder, or other special mode dedicated to providing that challenge, like what the Danger Room was supposed to be about.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
Personally, I always loved the challenge that the limited lives rule presented, in game modes like Danger Room and the old Group Challenge. Having to play cautiously and the risk of failure is something I enjoy. The game feels less pedestrian that way.
Zurick
Banned
In a couple of weeks they're re-working how summons gain damage.
She still does fine as summoner, but the equipment is not optimized at all for her.
Angel Chay
Banned
a meta achievement for completing 6 - 10 of the secret achievements in mystic, 10th one comes with event end of this month and rewards a new flourish
Angel Chay
Banned
just so you guys know omega items arent being worked on right now.
the current plan is make cosmic items slot 1 - 5 be around or better thna uniques. they then do a massive unique drop for achievements. uniques then only drop for current players and cosmic becomes the new uniques for everyone, then omega items appear.
a dev on a tc last week posted that they arent working on omega items yet. and asros just stated the above.
the current plan is make cosmic items slot 1 - 5 be around or better thna uniques. they then do a massive unique drop for achievements. uniques then only drop for current players and cosmic becomes the new uniques for everyone, then omega items appear.
a dev on a tc last week posted that they arent working on omega items yet. and asros just stated the above.
This doesn't make any sense. Why make an item with lore ties to the character inferior to a generic cosmic item?
Angel Chay
Banned
from asros so yea
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Because they are are being phased out, I guess. Omega items will be stronger than cosmics and are close in function to how uniques currently work? In like 4 years when the fucking get released that is.
Affeinvasion
Member
Uniques are cool. Gaz has lost the ship.
ThirtyFour
Member
I agree with this. I do always like reading the little quote at the bottom of them.
Use this opportunity to pass with characters that are hot right now. My Thing crushed it with one skill, no legendary, junk artifacts, and lvl60 gear. I anticipate cruising with Reed, Rocket, and Storm next.
I think this is my "what the fuck are the devs thinking" moment. Releasing the big patch without omega items? Ok, you have a limited team and you need to get them totally off the one project before they can focus on the next- whatever. But omega items were supposed to modify skill mechanics- they should have been conceived in coordination with the massive power overhaul.
Is it possible that omega items have been fully planned out, just not programmed and implemented? Possible, but extremely unlikely given this new information. No, it seems that they've introduced a gear overhaul project before starting on the omega item project. If the TBD omega item project is starting more or less from scratch, it's difficult to imagine they will modify skill mechanics meaningfully. Rather omega item effects will just be uniques 2.0, with fairly inconsequential changes like Emma's Cyclops pet or "shoot 3 fireballs instead of 2."
I can't believe I got tricked again into having expectations.
Frostinferno
Member
It has been mentioned multiple times now, but Omega gear won't be made till all revamped character designs are finalized. Just look at how much Angela and Blade changed after the big update. What would be the sense in having Omega items (which alter powers) made if you're going to change a character's power kit soon after?
VenomousCoffee
Member
I officially don't understand one single thing about Gaz's intentions right now.
Human Trashcan
Banned
Still paying attention to this wild ride solely to see what dumb shit Gaz pulls off next. It's fucking incredible how poorly they have been handling, and are continuing to handle, this game for the last year+. Incredible in the literal sense of "I cannot believe the people in charge of developing this game are such complete and total hacks." I've seen posters on their forums who'd make better lead designers than whoever is in charge right now. God bless those people for still thinking this game will un-fuck itself.
Your argument appears to support my own. Power kits inevitably need to be modified, either sooner or later. Given that, which of the following workflow situations is more reasonable?
Scenario A: You revamp the powers while simultaneously designing the items that interact with the powers. Should there be some coding friction in the items, it's no big deal as the power design is still hot and fresh in your mind and yet to be released. And then after release when the kit needs to be changed, you alter those specific powers and the specific omegas tied to them.
Scenario B: You revamp the powers and hit publish, vowing to design the items that interact with powers at a later date. In the meantime, you continue to adjust powers as necessary. When the time to begin the omega item project arrives, months down the line, it's not just a matter of the details being fresh. Wouldn't you need to do an evaluation of all powers and their current status in the metagame before deciding on which powers to spend time and money creating "build-defining" effects? Thus this project either devolves into another mini-review of every hero in the game... or you skip it all by making the omega effects inconsequential.
I acknowledge these are merely mental scenarios and I'm certainly not trying to put words in your mouth. But I'm having a real hard time understanding the recent moves without making unkind judgments.
Frostinferno
Member
You would need to do an evaluation in both scenarios anyway, but in doing so later like scenario B, you can at least see where the characters have landed before taking them to new places. It's better, IMO, to allow metas and builds grow and breathe before you decide on what and how Omega items should interact with. This is how Blizzard does their set bonuses in D3 and they've turned out great. Gaz doesn't have the resources to keep flip-flopping, so it doesn't make sense to evaluate, implement, and test Omegas only to have to redo the process every time a hero is touched (which will be often if the past few weeks are any indication). They haven't even revamped epic and cosmic gear yet, and those don't even affect hero powers. Like you said a few posts ago, I think your expectations are just too high.
Edit: I also forgot that the Omega items are meant to be for the Omega difficulties, which of course aren't in the game yet.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Managed to get to 1056 infinity points before the story mode level 60 Exp nerf. I wish I didn't do anything but farm exp after the big patch went up. Now to find the next best way to exp and do that non stop before they nerf it more. Infinity points are so boring to get, I can't actually spend them until billions of exp later.
I'm actually quite liking the movement changes after a week-ish of consistent play. Definitely makes dodging telegraphs and paying attention a little more vital. Doesn't exactly lend to the movement heroes like Silver Surfer or NC though.
Animation lock changes will hopefully further help. Melee still doesn't feel great though. Think they just need more range or a bigger cone on their hit radius and maybe some better feedback when you're hitting.
Overall it's pretty solid but they really needed to time itemization changes with the drop. Good lord what a fuck up that was/continues to be. Now we just need some more end game zones or a danger room with effort put into it. It really needs an addicting area like Nephalem Rifts and terminals/patrols just aren't doing it.
Animation lock changes will hopefully further help. Melee still doesn't feel great though. Think they just need more range or a bigger cone on their hit radius and maybe some better feedback when you're hitting.
Overall it's pretty solid but they really needed to time itemization changes with the drop. Good lord what a fuck up that was/continues to be. Now we just need some more end game zones or a danger room with effort put into it. It really needs an addicting area like Nephalem Rifts and terminals/patrols just aren't doing it.
Angel Chay
Banned
S.H.I.E.L.D. SUPPLY DROPS & BOOST CHANGES
S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Drops are a new system introduced with this update that offers a new way to increase your chances of earning loot alongside RIF and SIF!
By right-clicking your XP bar, you can switch over to the new S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Point bar. By default, you will not accumulate points for this meter - once you activate at least 1 stack of the new S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Boosts, however, any enemies you defeat in any region (except for Raid zones) will award points towards filling your S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points bar. Each region awards different amounts of S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points per enemy defeated based on the region's difficulty and enemy population, to balance S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply point gains in regions where there are fewer enemies to defeat or harder enemies that take longer to defeat. Note: At launch, the only zone where S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points will not scale with difficulty are Danger Room scenarios; Danger Room scenarios will award the same amount of points per enemy defeated regardless of scenario difficulty. In the future, we plan to adjust Danger Room scenarios in this regard as well.
Using additional S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Boosts will increase both the S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points multiplier for points earned from defeated enemies, as well as extend the duration of your S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Boost.
Once you've defeated enough enemies to fully fill your S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points bar, you'll be instantly rewarded with a S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply box containing a wide variety of bonus loot! These S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply boxes can award a wide variety of different possible items, including:
Common Rewards including: Eternity Splinters, Slot 1-5 Items (weapons & armor), Cosmic Catalysts
Rare Rewards including: Vanity pets, Boss-specific Uniques or Artifacts, Rare Runes
Additionally, there is a rare chance that S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply boxes will award a jackpot bonus when opened which can contain epic items including:
Random Costume or Hero Boxes
Ultimate Upgrade Tokens
Cosmic Artifacts
These S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply boxes are awarded at the level of the Hero you are playing at the time you fill your S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points bar. So, for example, if you earn a S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply box on your level 60 Hero, the S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply box will have a level 60 requirement and drop level 60 items.
more boxes lol
Boost Changes
With the introduction of Bonus Item Find, we are also updating the different types of Boosts that we make available in the in-game store. Bonus Item Find Boosts will be replacing all forms of RIF and SIF Boosts, and we have consolidated some of our previous Boosts to fit into the new Boost system as well. The four types of Boosts that will be available now are:
S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Boost - Gain increased S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points for 30 minutes. Each stack increases the S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points multiplier (up to 5x), and the duration of the Boost by 30 minutes. Additional Boosts consumed beyond 5 stacks will continue to add to the duration of the Boost.
Experience Boost - Gain increased Experience for 30 minutes. Each stack increases the XP multiplier (up to 200%), and extends the duration of the Boost by 30 minutes. Additional Boosts consumed beyond 5 stacks will continue to add to the duration of the Boost.
Currency Boost - Gain increased Credit, Danger Room Merits, and Odin Marks for 30 minutes. Each stack increases the amount of bonus currency earned (up to +200 Credits per drop, +50% Danger Room Merits per Victory Chest, and +5 Odin Marks per Legendary Quest or Boss Defeat) and extends the duration of the Boost by 30 minutes. Additional Boosts consumed beyond 5 stacks will continue to add to the duration of the Boost.
Combination Boost - Gain 1 stack of all 3 individual Boosts listed above for 30 minutes, up to a maximum of 5 stacks. Additional Boosts consumed beyond 5 stacks will continue to add to the duration of the Boosts.
Beyond purchasing these Boosts in the in-game store (purchased directly or within Fortune Cards) or via the Boost Exchange vendor with Boost Vouchers, the new Boosts can also be acquired in-game via:
Daily Login Gifts
Fortune Card Mark I purchased from Clea with Cube Shards
Boost Vouchers
With the above Boost changes going into effect, your existing Boosts can be exchanged at special vendors within Avenger's Tower for Boost Vouchers!
Any Boost that previously increased RIF, SIF or XP or currency rewards can be exchanged at the Boost Exchange vendor for varying amounts of Boost Vouchers depending on the magnitude and duration of the particular Boost being exchanged.
The Boost Voucher Exchange vendor standing next to the Boost Exchange vendor will then allow you to spend your Boost Vouchers on any of the new Boosts listed above.
If you prefer, you can keep your existing Boosts and consume them as normal - any existing Boosts you currently own have not had their effects changed. The choice is yours, however please note that any exchanges are final and cannot be
S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Drops are a new system introduced with this update that offers a new way to increase your chances of earning loot alongside RIF and SIF!
By right-clicking your XP bar, you can switch over to the new S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Point bar. By default, you will not accumulate points for this meter - once you activate at least 1 stack of the new S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Boosts, however, any enemies you defeat in any region (except for Raid zones) will award points towards filling your S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points bar. Each region awards different amounts of S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points per enemy defeated based on the region's difficulty and enemy population, to balance S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply point gains in regions where there are fewer enemies to defeat or harder enemies that take longer to defeat. Note: At launch, the only zone where S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points will not scale with difficulty are Danger Room scenarios; Danger Room scenarios will award the same amount of points per enemy defeated regardless of scenario difficulty. In the future, we plan to adjust Danger Room scenarios in this regard as well.
Using additional S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Boosts will increase both the S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points multiplier for points earned from defeated enemies, as well as extend the duration of your S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Boost.
Once you've defeated enough enemies to fully fill your S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points bar, you'll be instantly rewarded with a S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply box containing a wide variety of bonus loot! These S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply boxes can award a wide variety of different possible items, including:
Common Rewards including: Eternity Splinters, Slot 1-5 Items (weapons & armor), Cosmic Catalysts
Rare Rewards including: Vanity pets, Boss-specific Uniques or Artifacts, Rare Runes
Additionally, there is a rare chance that S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply boxes will award a jackpot bonus when opened which can contain epic items including:
Random Costume or Hero Boxes
Ultimate Upgrade Tokens
Cosmic Artifacts
These S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply boxes are awarded at the level of the Hero you are playing at the time you fill your S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points bar. So, for example, if you earn a S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply box on your level 60 Hero, the S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply box will have a level 60 requirement and drop level 60 items.
more boxes lol
Boost Changes
With the introduction of Bonus Item Find, we are also updating the different types of Boosts that we make available in the in-game store. Bonus Item Find Boosts will be replacing all forms of RIF and SIF Boosts, and we have consolidated some of our previous Boosts to fit into the new Boost system as well. The four types of Boosts that will be available now are:
S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Boost - Gain increased S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points for 30 minutes. Each stack increases the S.H.I.E.L.D. Supply Points multiplier (up to 5x), and the duration of the Boost by 30 minutes. Additional Boosts consumed beyond 5 stacks will continue to add to the duration of the Boost.
Experience Boost - Gain increased Experience for 30 minutes. Each stack increases the XP multiplier (up to 200%), and extends the duration of the Boost by 30 minutes. Additional Boosts consumed beyond 5 stacks will continue to add to the duration of the Boost.
Currency Boost - Gain increased Credit, Danger Room Merits, and Odin Marks for 30 minutes. Each stack increases the amount of bonus currency earned (up to +200 Credits per drop, +50% Danger Room Merits per Victory Chest, and +5 Odin Marks per Legendary Quest or Boss Defeat) and extends the duration of the Boost by 30 minutes. Additional Boosts consumed beyond 5 stacks will continue to add to the duration of the Boost.
Combination Boost - Gain 1 stack of all 3 individual Boosts listed above for 30 minutes, up to a maximum of 5 stacks. Additional Boosts consumed beyond 5 stacks will continue to add to the duration of the Boosts.
Beyond purchasing these Boosts in the in-game store (purchased directly or within Fortune Cards) or via the Boost Exchange vendor with Boost Vouchers, the new Boosts can also be acquired in-game via:
Daily Login Gifts
Fortune Card Mark I purchased from Clea with Cube Shards
Boost Vouchers
With the above Boost changes going into effect, your existing Boosts can be exchanged at special vendors within Avenger's Tower for Boost Vouchers!
Any Boost that previously increased RIF, SIF or XP or currency rewards can be exchanged at the Boost Exchange vendor for varying amounts of Boost Vouchers depending on the magnitude and duration of the particular Boost being exchanged.
The Boost Voucher Exchange vendor standing next to the Boost Exchange vendor will then allow you to spend your Boost Vouchers on any of the new Boosts listed above.
If you prefer, you can keep your existing Boosts and consume them as normal - any existing Boosts you currently own have not had their effects changed. The choice is yours, however please note that any exchanges are final and cannot be
I like the idea of hitting X experience and getting a box. The Division implemented that as well, it's a nice reward outside of doing an activity.
Edit: You either have to buy a boost first or trade cube shards for a fortune card to start getting points. Box I got was super shit, who knows if they're even worth it.
In other news they completely broke the animation for Iron Man's Death From Above. Sigh, Gaz.
Edit: You either have to buy a boost first or trade cube shards for a fortune card to start getting points. Box I got was super shit, who knows if they're even worth it.
In other news they completely broke the animation for Iron Man's Death From Above. Sigh, Gaz.
spent like 2 hours and almost all my credits (but I had those 500k credit boxes tho) transfering blessings and rebinding arts on all my heroes because of the new stats. That was fun >_>
Really wish I hadnt destroyed all those white suit jackets now tho
Really wish I hadnt destroyed all those white suit jackets now tho
I keep forgetting how much I enjoy Rogue.
I'll probably trade in all my RIF/SIF boosts and just hang on to exp boosts for cosmic prestige.
I'll probably trade in all my RIF/SIF boosts and just hang on to exp boosts for cosmic prestige.
Frostinferno
Member
Anoregon
The flight plan I just filed with the agency list me, my men, Dr. Pavel here. But only one of you!
Huh? I definitely traded in both credit boosts and rush bars today.
Where do you trade them?
Maybe because mine was one of the new currency boosts.
Avengers Tower, down the stairs from the waypoint and to the left a bit.
Ploid 3.0
Member
I hope summoner turn out ok. I since summons share stats of their master, things should be less crappy to gear for when Gaz start making changes. That was one of the problems I had, with Gaz's take on summoner classes. Making so many changes, sometimes weekly, then when I want to give up and make the character non summoner, the gear I collected for summoner would be useless (bound stuff back then).
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