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Media Create Sales: Jan. 18 - 24, 2010
- Thread starter Chris1964
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Another victim of Wii, err... gaming market.
They blame everything except for Tekken 6.
http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/02/02/namco_bandai_restructure/
They blame everything except for Tekken 6.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Man God said:
Tales of Graces? Taiko no Tatsujin 2?
Souldriver
Member
I'm in no way denying that the sales of SW3 are left to be desired, but it's no surprise either that once again only the Wii game failing is named as the cause for craptacular financial results.
It's just too easy to predict this kind of stuff.
It's just too easy to predict this kind of stuff.
Re: SW3. It will top out at 300K or so..I really don't know what Koei was reasonably expecting from this- 400K? A minimal decline from SW2 even though Dynasty Warriors has declined significantly? I dunno...it seems to me SW3 declined proportionately pretty even with the DW6 decline.
Not saying the sales are OMG AWESOME because they aren't..but I honestly don't think it would have done significantly better anywhere else, at least not so much better as to raise Koei's financial results all by itself.
Not saying the sales are OMG AWESOME because they aren't..but I honestly don't think it would have done significantly better anywhere else, at least not so much better as to raise Koei's financial results all by itself.
If we look at the development of the Musou series chronologically, ignoring the tie-up titles, then we get something akin to this:
I don't think the move to Wii helped the series. The series is, for the most part, on a steady decline entry to entry. Koei seemed to reverse the declining trend with Musou Orochi, but that quickly faded away again. If anything, the move to Wii definitely alienated the already-diminished audience on PS2/PS3. Samurai Warriors 3 being above Musou Orochi Z is because the latter is essentially a remake compilation pack of the prior PS2 titles.
I don't think the move to Wii helped the series. The series is, for the most part, on a steady decline entry to entry. Koei seemed to reverse the declining trend with Musou Orochi, but that quickly faded away again. If anything, the move to Wii definitely alienated the already-diminished audience on PS2/PS3. Samurai Warriors 3 being above Musou Orochi Z is because the latter is essentially a remake compilation pack of the prior PS2 titles.
Probably blue is PS2 / Wii, while PS3 is red, and X360 is green.ElFly said:
cvxfreak said:If we look at the development of the Musou series chronologically, ignoring the tie-up titles, then we get something akin to this:
I don't think the move to Wii helped the series. The series is, for the most part, on a steady decline entry to entry. Koei seemed to reverse the declining trend with Musou Orochi, but that quickly faded away again. If anything, the move to Wii definitely alienated the already-diminished audience on PS2/PS3. Samurai Warriors 3 being above Musou Orochi Z is because the latter is essentially a remake compilation pack of the prior PS2 titles.
As one of the owner of DW3, DW4, DW4 Empire, DW5 etc, I started to get tired / bored with the series around DW5. I am not interested to check out these kind of game since I am tired of it (it applied even to other series, like Sengoku Musou, Sengoku Basara etc).
Pureauthor
Member
I think there are two separate issues at work here:
The first is that Koei's expectations weren't met. This comes straight from their mouths, so we'll have to hold it as being true.
The second is whether or not they were stupid to have those expectations for what is so obviously a declining franchise anyway.
The first is that Koei's expectations weren't met. This comes straight from their mouths, so we'll have to hold it as being true.
The second is whether or not they were stupid to have those expectations for what is so obviously a declining franchise anyway.
Cosmonaut X
Member
Pureauthor said:
Well, that's kind of the interesting point here. What were Tecmo-Koei's expectations for SM3?
They're clearly not satisfied with the performance of the title, but by how much did it fall short of their expectations - and indeed, were their expectations reasonable or LOL-worthy (the Hokuto Musou expectations posted earlier seem to be remarkably... optimistic, for example).
DXB-KNIGHT
Member
Koei Tecmo: "It's easy to blame ourselves, but it's even easier to blame the Wii!"duckroll said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
linsivvi said:
to be fair koei didn't public gundam musou and koei did publish samurai warriors 3 soooooo
Thunder Monkey
Banned
It'd be best if you didn't start yourself out in this way young one. Everyone knows the Wii is fucked. And no one is saying that. They are saying you can't blame the Wii for a series that's already in decline, not that the Wii marketplace is a paradise.krea said:
Mr. Pointy
Member
I think everyone is pretty sure that SW3 will get a port eventually. There was no Musou userbase on the Wii and the series is in decline, so Tecmoei need to hedge all their bets. Unless Nintendo stitched up a really tight exclusivity contract, then that would just be hilarious.
About MHP3, I really do think it we'll get a PSP announcement at TGS this year or something. Also, MH3G for Wii will probably be announced at about the same time. If MHP3is being pushed back as some kind of handheld launch title, then it'll be multi-plat.
About MHP3, I really do think it we'll get a PSP announcement at TGS this year or something. Also, MH3G for Wii will probably be announced at about the same time. If MHP3is being pushed back as some kind of handheld launch title, then it'll be multi-plat.
Dengeki PS sales Jan. 18 - Jan. 24, 2010:
01. [PSP] Valkyria Chronicles 2 (Sega) - 90,771 / 90,771
02. [PSP] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's Portable: The Battle of Aces (Namco Bandai) - 80,549 / 80,549
03. [PSP] Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (Square Enix) - 58,255 / 745,494
04. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G PSP the Best (Capcom) - 16,072 / 108,876
05. [PSP] Dynasty Warriors 6: Empires (Koei) - 12,477 / 12,477
06. [PSP] Tekken 6 (Namco Bandai) - 11,656 / 40,913
07. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 8,806 / 1,826,411
08. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega) - 8,421 / 563,982
09. [PS3] Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 (Square Enix) - 7,469 / 206,989
10. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami) - 6,206 / 194,892
http://dps.dengeki.com/2010/01/29/p11085/
01. [PSP] Valkyria Chronicles 2 (Sega) - 90,771 / 90,771
02. [PSP] Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's Portable: The Battle of Aces (Namco Bandai) - 80,549 / 80,549
03. [PSP] Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep (Square Enix) - 58,255 / 745,494
04. [PSP] Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G PSP the Best (Capcom) - 16,072 / 108,876
05. [PSP] Dynasty Warriors 6: Empires (Koei) - 12,477 / 12,477
06. [PSP] Tekken 6 (Namco Bandai) - 11,656 / 40,913
07. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) - 8,806 / 1,826,411
08. [PSP] Phantasy Star Portable 2 (Sega) - 8,421 / 563,982
09. [PS3] Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 (Square Enix) - 7,469 / 206,989
10. [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami) - 6,206 / 194,892
http://dps.dengeki.com/2010/01/29/p11085/
http://www.famitsu.com/game/rank/sokuho/1231821_1796.html
1. DQVI
2. EoE PS3
3. NSMB Wii
4. AT3
5. FC
6. Wii Fit+
7. BbS
8. EoE 360
9. VC2
10. WSR
1. DQVI
2. EoE PS3
3. NSMB Wii
4. AT3
5. FC
6. Wii Fit+
7. BbS
8. EoE 360
9. VC2
10. WSR
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Chris1964 said:
well when they publish hokuto musou expecting 1 million sales and it massively misses the mark and they seem flummoxed about this, it'll make sense to use that an example of how they don't have realistic expectations...
i'm just saying that you can't make a call about koei's expectations for samurai warriors 3 based on namco's expectations for gundam musou.
1. Dragon Quest VI (DS) -　910,000
2. End Of Eternity (PS3) -　110,000
3. NSMB Wii (Wii) -　98,000
4. Ar Tonelico 3 (PS3) -　61,000
5. Tomadachi Collection (DS) -　43,000
6. WiiFit Plus (Wii) -　36,000
7. KH:BBS (PSP) -　29,000
8. End of Eternity (xbox 360)　24,000
9. Valkyria Chronicles 2 (PSP)　22,000
10. Wii Sports Resort (Wii)　14,000
PSP　46,000
Wii　46,000
PS3　29,000
DSiLL　25,000
DSi　21,000
DSL　5,200
360　3,600
PS2　1,900
PSP go　1,100
2. End Of Eternity (PS3) -　110,000
3. NSMB Wii (Wii) -　98,000
4. Ar Tonelico 3 (PS3) -　61,000
5. Tomadachi Collection (DS) -　43,000
6. WiiFit Plus (Wii) -　36,000
7. KH:BBS (PSP) -　29,000
8. End of Eternity (xbox 360)　24,000
9. Valkyria Chronicles 2 (PSP)　22,000
10. Wii Sports Resort (Wii)　14,000
PSP　46,000
Wii　46,000
PS3　29,000
DSiLL　25,000
DSi　21,000
DSL　5,200
360　3,600
PS2　1,900
PSP go　1,100
GameplayWhore
Member
Elios83 said:
Go finally did something useful there.
The source is some japanese blog which I don't know and they have been posted on
.
Usually they don't report japanese numbers if not accurate although we should account these numbers as a preliminary leak I suppose.
Better than nothing until MC tomorrow XD
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Usually they don't report japanese numbers if not accurate although we should account these numbers as a preliminary leak I suppose.
Better than nothing until MC tomorrow XD
BishopLamont
Banned
SW3 should have bombed, at least that way there would be some legitimacy to Koei's "expectations".
BlazingDarkness
Member
:lolULTROS! said:
Sammy Samusu
Member
PSP is doing great, people sure like their Kingdom Hearts (and Monster Hunter Best
Price).
Best
mugurumakensei
Member
A quick glance at least week's prediction shows I severely overestimated EoE for both platforms, moderately underestimated AT3, and underestimated DQ VI by a good 100k assuming those numbers are legit.
Numbers are from here
http://dubai.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1265205322/
I think they came out before Famitsu publishes top 10 and so they are legit.
http://dubai.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1265205322/
I think they came out before Famitsu publishes top 10 and so they are legit.
