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Motherboard (Vice): YT Personalities Use Minecraft to Prey on Underage Fans

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Vice's tech arm Motherboard just put up an article discussing a phenomenon of YouTube personalities who use their fame garnered from young fans of their Minecraft vids to prey on them; pursuing requests of nude photographs. The major subject of the piece is a YouTuber named LionMaker.

On December 21, 2015, a Minecraft YouTuber with over 600,000 subscribers appeared to tweet out naked, pornographic photos of an underage fan. “I have fooled all of u and have made plenty of money while doing it,” one tweet said, with another adding that since the fan was 15 years old, "her and I have had several sexual exchanges on Skype."

The tweets were soon deleted, but not before plenty of people saw them, including other young fans. Minecraft, which has sold more than 22 million copies on the PC alone, is hugely popular with kids: children under the age of 15 are reportedly the game's largest demographic.

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LionMaker (real name Marcus Wilton), 27, is a Belgian-based Minecrafter who makes videos for a teen and pre-teen audience of 600,000 YouTube subscribers. His gambols through colossal, blocky wonderlands have been viewed over 200 million times. His nasal, mugging style clearly takes inspiration from videos which have made millions upon millions of dollars for top YouTube gamers such as Pewdiepie. If anything, though, his videos are more saccharine.

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The young girl in the photos posted to LionMaker's Twitter account is known online as "Paige Thepanda." Her family is now involved in police proceedings against LionMaker, one family member said. They believe he took advantage of the 16-year-old. "You have no idea how badly she has been affected," this family member, who asked not to be named to protect the family and Paige's privacy, told Motherboard. "She is utterly brainwashed. All we want is to protect her and keep her from meeting up with him, but we can’t watch her all the time.”

Paige was not the only child that LionMaker befriended.

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Initially, Wiseman, her daughter, and other Minecraft players who knew her daughter couldn't believe that LionMaker would engage in this kind of behavior. They started posting about the story and sharing screencaps of the conversation and reaching out to his friends. The online buzz was that LionMaker must have been hacked, explaining his odd behavior.

The next day, LionMaker resurfaced to claim that he wasn't the one who solicited the nude photographs. Instead, he explained, he had been simultaneously hacked by a blackmailer and spent the night in jail for an unspecified, unrelated offence.

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There is one celebrity YouTuber who has been convicted of sexual misconduct. Lee Carson, alias "L for Leeeeee," had 350,000 YouTube subscribers when he was busted for a string of sexual offences last summer (though he himself was only 16 at the time). According to news reports, he sent threatening messages and obscene photos of himself to a number of women, and broke into one woman’s house to use her underwear in a sex act. He is still uploading Minecraft videos to a warm reception from his fans. “I know you and I would do anything to make you scream,” he wrote to one 18-year-old.


Yamimash (real name is Aaron Ash), a 26-year-old YouTuber with 1.3 million subscribers who plays Minecraft and other games on his channel, was accused of sending obscene messages and photos of himself to a 14-year-old last year. He took to YouTube to clear his name in a statement rank with victim-blaming. While he admits that he flirted with the 14-year-old, and that the police stepped in to “warn” him against “grooming” young children, he argues that the child was “manipulative” and “trying to entice him”, and that she “looks a lot older than she is.”

Like LionMaker, he paints himself as a benevolent, avuncular figure. “I felt bad for her so I spoke to her for a while,” he claimed. “She wants to be the victim.” Fans commenting on his YouTube videos appear to accept he was sexting the child out of a spirit of charity.

Miniladdd, real name Craig Thompson, 2.6 million subscribers, 21 years old, has admitted to to messaging the same 14-year-old. (“Your breasts are really perky,” he wrote. “The fact they don’t sag is a giant bonus.”) In his defence, he argues that “the girl was suicidal, so I followed her to show her that life was worth living.” Again, judging by YouTube comments, his fans overwhelmingly agree that this justifies the messages he sent to the girl.

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People in the industry knew that LionMaker preyed on his underage fans, said Jason Leisure, another Minecrafter and a former friend of LionMaker.

“Other YouTubers know about it and keep quiet just because they want to work with them and make money,” he told Motherboard via Skype. “What sickens me is the YouTubers that knew their friends were like this and kept quiet.”


Cheenks, the 16-year-old who LionMaker offered $500 for naked pictures, has come to the same conclusion. “LionMaker was a big YouTuber," he said. "He had connections, he had a big channel, he was very popular. There’s money to be made from it, and people stick around because their channels will go into a shithole and die if his goes down.”


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Only a few excerpts are posted here but I highly recommend reading through the entire piece. I thought it might be one of particular interest to anyone on GAF who has or knows of children within their lives in love with the YT Minecraft scene or YouTube celebs that cater to younger audiences in general.
 

DrEvil

not a medical professional
Is there a Chris Hansen minecraft skin yet?


edit: close enough

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Rembrandt

Banned
I was gonna post about here it when it broke, but decided against it for some reason. It's really scary to think about the type of people taking advantage of their popularity like this.
 
T

Transhuman

Unconfirmed Member
I was gonna post about here it when it broke, but decided against it for some reason. It's really scary to think about the type of people taking advantage of their popularity like this.

Jerry Seinfeld and his 17 year old girlfriend and Paul Walker and his 16 year old girlfriend also think it's scary.
 

hipbabboom

Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
the moms were right all along

The strange thing is that following this line of thought, they should be far more worried of YouTube than Minecraft but like any opportunistic predator, going after the easiest prey seems to be key.
 

riotous

Banned
Jerry Seinfeld and his 17 year old girlfriend and Paul Walker and his 16 year old girlfriend also think it's scary.

I didn't know either of these. Yikes. However that's perfectly legal in most of the US; 15 isn't. Arbitrary maybe but it's... something.
 
Miniladdd, real name Craig Thompson, 2.6 million subscribers, 21 years old, has admitted to to messaging the same 14-year-old. (“Your breasts are really perky,” he wrote. “The fact they don’t sag is a giant bonus.”) In his defence, he argues that “the girl was suicidal, so I followed her to show her that life was worth living.”

"Let me show you how life is worth living by abusing of you"

The fuck? Fuck these guys. Fuck their excuses. Cunts
 
More and more I think the world would've been better with no YouTube. And not in a "it was a mistake, it's nothing but trash" way, but sincerely. It just seems like popularity and an irresponsible lack of safeguards at all levels just leads to a toxic environment that encourages exploitation from the top to the bottom.
 
Then outside of these pedophiles you have an abundance of Minecraft channels that exist purely to troll the shit out of little kids and destroy all of their work. Those are really popular too.
 
I checked my daughter's YouTube account. She loves Minecraft (though it may have been supplanted in her heart by The Sims and, apparently, BuzzFeed) and follows a few Minecraft players, she doesn't watch any of the ones featured in the story.
 

Fusebox

Banned
I checked my daughter's YouTube account. She loves Minecraft (though it may have been supplanted in her heart by The Sims and, apparently, BuzzFeed) and follows a few Minecraft players, she doesn't watch any of the ones featured in the story.

Yeah my daughter loves watching a YouTube mine craft channel called Stampylonghead or something and it seems wholesome enough but I think I've seen a guest character called Leeee or something like the one in the story. There's no interaction though she just watches the vids.

Edit: yep it was him.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/minecraft-pervert-harassed-teenager-older-6211563

Mentions Stampy is his best friend. I think I'll unsub.

Edit 2: Or not:

https://mobile.twitter.com/keemstarx/status/629763022358216705

Seems Stampy dumped him hard when the news hit.
 

213372bu

Banned
When Keemstar was getting trashed, wasn't he going after LionMaker week/months back and said he was going to hack him?

Disgusting in either scenario.

Shit like this shouldn't happen.
 
Jerry Seinfeld and his 17 year old girlfriend and Paul Walker and his 16 year old girlfriend also think it's scary.

Well it's kind of strange but in Paul Walker's case he stayed with her until he died a.k.a not another fuck and dump.

On topic: It happens everywhere even outside of youtube. Some girls ( generally in their teens) feel atracted to older men in positions of success and power, so that's not really surprising.

NoblesseOblige said:
Perfectly creepy (due to age difference) regardless of local laws.

My mother married my father when she was 17 and he was 27. When you're 17 and he's 27 there's a huge gap, say that again when she's 77 and he's 87.
 

Deft Beck

Member
More and more I think the world would've been better with no YouTube. And not in a "it was a mistake, it's nothing but trash" way, but sincerely. It just seems like popularity and an irresponsible lack of safeguards at all levels just leads to a toxic environment that encourages exploitation from the top to the bottom.

If you focus on the absolute most popular creators, then maybe. There are plenty of niche channels with healthy followings and almost no drama to speak of.
 
More and more I think the world would've been better with no YouTube. And not in a "it was a mistake, it's nothing but trash" way, but sincerely. It just seems like popularity and an irresponsible lack of safeguards at all levels just leads to a toxic environment that encourages exploitation from the top to the bottom.
Hasn't it been that way with celebrities for decades? How many rockstars, movie stars and tv personalities have done shady stuff? I bet a lot.
 

andycapps

Member
This is a disgusting story. Obviously I'm sure this isn't limited to Minecraft, but that game is so huge with young kids that it makes this even more disturbing.
 
My mother married my father when she was 17 and he was 27. When you're 17 and he's 27 there's a huge gap, say that again when she's 77 and he's 87.

It's the ratio that's the problem. There's a reason people talk about the unofficial "Half your age plus 7" rule. With that said I imagine (unless you're really young) that your parents are from a time when it was more normal for women to marry older due to them still having fewer opportunities.
 

Koomaster

Member
You get a lot of young fans as a youtube personality and some can get obsessed with you. But you absolutely cannot take advantage of that in any way.It's fucking awful and sick to do so; you have to be a real scum of a human being to even think to do something like that to vulnerable fans.
 
Motherboard said:
While he admits that he flirted with the 14-year-old, and that the police stepped in to “warn” him against “grooming” young children, he argues that the child was “manipulative” and “trying to entice him”, and that she “looks a lot older than she is.”

"Damn strumpets! If they'd just stop trying to seduce me, I could be the role model I wanted to be!"

Motherboard said:
Like LionMaker, he paints himself as a benevolent, avuncular figure. “I felt bad for her so I spoke to her for a while,” he claimed. “She wants to be the victim.” Fans commenting on his YouTube videos appear to accept he was sexting the child out of a spirit of charity.

Ahahahahaah! Charitable sexting. I've heard it all now!
 

Vyer

Member
Fans commenting on his YouTube videos appear to accept he was sexting the child out of a spirit of charity.

Again, judging by YouTube comments, his fans overwhelmingly agree that this justifies the messages he sent to the girl.

how surprising
 
Walker and Seinfeld are British?

I think the 'Grooming their fanbase' is the bigger story here than quibbling over local age restrictions.

16 is also the age of consent in half the US and in Canada. Pedophilia isn't the correct descriptor for people seeking jailbait.

Minecraft's fanbase obviously skews much younger than just 16 year olds, and that's where the concern lies.
 
It's the ratio that's the problem. There's a reason people talk about the unofficial "Half your age plus 7" rule. With that said I imagine (unless you're really young) that your parents are from a time when it was more normal for women to marry older due to them still having fewer opportunities.

It really depends on the maturity of said person. There are people who are 17 years old and would make great parents but there are people on their 40's with no responsability whatsoever.

If you're 16-18 years old I think your personality is already formed and you can make decisions on your own... so let's agree to disagree.

But seeing a 80 year old with a teen really is creepy lol

Motherboard said:
Fans commenting on his YouTube videos appear to accept he was sexting the child out of a spirit of charity

I have seen everything.
 

Johndoey

Banned
Perfectly legal in the UK, remember America does not = the entire world.

Both of those men are American, but other than that the age of consent in most states is 16 or 17.

More and more I think the world would've been better with no YouTube. And not in a "it was a mistake, it's nothing but trash" way, but sincerely. It just seems like popularity and an irresponsible lack of safeguards at all levels just leads to a toxic environment that encourages exploitation from the top to the bottom.

Nothing happening in this story is unique to youtube though? I don't get this sentiment. People will continue to contact and abuse minors trough other means.
 
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