John Caboose
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CBOAT may be some sort of industry insider or whatever but I am definitely NOT going to drink the Kool-Aid that "60sigh--" is a fucking confirmation or correction of anything.
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MS eliminates its best new feature: 10 person, 60 min Family Sharing plan for Xbone
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CBOAT may be some sort of industry insider or whatever but I am definitely NOT going to drink the Kool-Aid that "60sigh--" is a fucking confirmation or correction of anything.
By now you should have figured out that MS don't have your best interests at heart. They just want to fuck you for money. I don't see why anyone is giving them even the tiniest benefit of the doubt anymore.
He's been very reliable in the past so if there's any issue it's that it IS a vague statement. I can't see what else the 60 thing could apply to though.
SRTtoZ
Member
You dont have to believe it. You can believe it was sharing full games for everyone on their list for an unlimited time forever and ever.
When you consider the degree to which the rest of that post was rather clear in how we were getting screwed it just doesn't make sense for them to try and hide behind some clever language that would have obviously blown up in their face in the future. That whole pre-E3 info dump was their attempt to get all the negatives out of the way. Why try and be deceptive on this one fact?
Subtervotion
Member
This glorified demo/family sharing thing makes since in way. If I were MS I would have been touting family sharing like it was this huge feature. But if it was actually a really crappy feature, keeping it sidelined and vague makes sense.
I dont get the point to download a 10-15 gig file to only be able to play it 45-60mins
This feature is fucking nothing. those are demos. you are not sharing anything here.
if you want to really try the game, download the 1-2 gig demo of the game. that's it.
good job microsoft for doing a useless feature
This feature is fucking nothing. those are demos. you are not sharing anything here.
if you want to really try the game, download the 1-2 gig demo of the game. that's it.
good job microsoft for doing a useless feature
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
No, you're all too willing to drunk the Koolaid that it was going to be anything else. Fine, whatever Koolaid flavor suits you, just don't pretend your baseless assumptions are any better than anyone else's here.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
The suggestion that MS would allow you to share full games with no time limit with TEN random people (as you presumably share them from ten others), on the most DRM-infested, locked-down gaming system in history is even more absurd.
w1ck3dn1nj4
Member
It all makes sense now
Crimson_Gold
Member
Because of Halo. Angels wear halos. MS gave gamers Halo and therefore is an angel.
seriously, I don't know why they give them the benefit of the doubt. If this system was so great, they would have laid it all out for us to see. Things looked bad, were bad, and had to go. Anyone that wishes that the DRM remained, wait until next generation. 5-7 years from now isn't too long
Zombie James
Banned
CBOAT is reliable as fuck. He nailed almost everything pre-E3.
They have their work cut out for them, if this is true YUK!
Steve Youngblood
Member
That's fair, but there's also no reason to assume anything at all, really. It was a proposed feature that they're not implementing anymore. If they get around to implementing it, then we'll be somewhere. As is, I'm not sure why some are lamenting the loss of something that they never had, and was clearly not fleshed out. It may have turned out awesome. It may have turned out to be a modestly good feature. Or it may have been useless.
There's no sense crying over spilled milk when there was never really milk or a glass to begin with.
OMG this cant get any worse....well it cant now but this "family plan" was full of it.
Still can comprehend the amount of people willing to lie to themselves that MS would allow you and 10 others to share your games. It was gimped on PS3 for a reason...why would publishers be ok with this? And now that this info is coming out that it was basically what PS+ does...offer an hour trial of full games. Ahhh MS's policy on XB180 is just batshit insane.
PS+ actually offers this as one of its benefits. Yea it stupid but it offers the whole game for that one hour. So you can play it for one hour, no limits to your progress. You can even unlock trophies. SO if you like it, you buy it and continue where you left off. Else you dont. Its better than a demo in that you get the full experience for that one hour. Demo's normally limit you to a small section or say 5 minute gameplay session so you may not get a full glimps of what the game offers. Down side you got to DL the whole game file, lol, this is where I dont approve of it but its an optional perk for PS+.
If this was the game sharing library that MS thought of....Wow.
Still can comprehend the amount of people willing to lie to themselves that MS would allow you and 10 others to share your games. It was gimped on PS3 for a reason...why would publishers be ok with this? And now that this info is coming out that it was basically what PS+ does...offer an hour trial of full games. Ahhh MS's policy on XB180 is just batshit insane.
PS+ actually offers this as one of its benefits. Yea it stupid but it offers the whole game for that one hour. So you can play it for one hour, no limits to your progress. You can even unlock trophies. SO if you like it, you buy it and continue where you left off. Else you dont. Its better than a demo in that you get the full experience for that one hour. Demo's normally limit you to a small section or say 5 minute gameplay session so you may not get a full glimps of what the game offers. Down side you got to DL the whole game file, lol, this is where I dont approve of it but its an optional perk for PS+.
If this was the game sharing library that MS thought of....Wow.
ebullientprism
Member
If the 60 minute demo bit is true then the DRM reversal came at a very good point for MS then. Now they are like the good guys who wanted 10 people to play games having on played once but changed their mind because people were too stupid to realize they were getting a good deal. If they had persisted they would have had to clarify the demo bit and it would have buried them.
There is a benefit to discussion if it gives you an insight at how MS wants to fuck the consumer.
mightynine
Member
Let me put it like this: since a mod likely changed the title, there had to be some confirmation of this.
The fact that CBOAT is still alive here after E3 means he knows more than you do.
But you've obviously drank the Kool-Aid of someone else based on the history of your posts.
But yeah as someone said, you should not only believe that the plan was to share your games in their entirety with 9 people, but it was simultaneously with 9 people, and actually MS forgot to add a 0, it was actually 90 people.
Well downloading the full game does have the advantage of being able to buy it and continue playing right away if you like it. It is ideal well if you have the download speeds and data caps necessary to make that viable.
It is weird that this was going to be a "family share" feature instead of just something system wide.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I'm mainly calling out people that for whatever reason desperately want to believe that Microsoft was going to give them something awesome.
Hellsing321
Member
Based CBOAT!
didn't he say that mirror edge will be at ms conference
prince of Persia too
no paywall for sony
yeah he was right on the money.....not
Crimson_Gold
Member
They only appear like good guys to people that could not see how the family plan as people imagined it could be went against everything the system was trying to implement. The Xbone was supposed to maximise publisher profits. That isn't going to happen if you can buy one game and let 10 people play it. The family plan would require a separate subscription that would generate revenue that would go to the companies that decided to participate in such a program. Publishers interested in guaranteed revenue may bite. However, titles like CoD, BF, and other big name titles would have never been shared in such a manner. They generate too much revenue and profit to need such a mechanism.
Microsoft went all in on a move that the market didn't want. They now look like a company that is trying to save face. They won't be the good guys in this. I am glad that the company changed course though. This type of DRM isn't needed.
Games shown at E3 are subject to being changed. This is nothing new. Mirror's Edge did appear at the EA conference and is something that could have changed at any time. Sony has no paywall on existing systems. There is a multiplayer paywall for the PS4. He said that his sources could not confirm whether or not there would be a paywall as sony was virgin tight on everything.
Marty Chinn
Member
I think an hour periodic check to see if you're the one still playing it is considered a form of time limit. The fact that they compared taking Forza to your friends house also suggests it wasn't a glorified demo. Taking Forza on the 360 now to your friends house doesn't time out on you. They also mentioned playing in another room. That's another situation where the game wouldn't time out on you. I can definitely believe the 60 min meant the periodic check in, but a 60 min demo seems really really far fetched with the way they had written out the information. It just doesn't make sense as a demo that times out. If anything, it's just as absurd as allowing 10 people to play the game at the same time. In either case if that is what they were going for, it would have been a disaster.
Of All Trades
Member
But there isn't any insight, really. It's people taking a nugget of information, forming whatever conclusions they're predisposed to, and then working backwards from there to make the two elements match.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Can't lose something you never had in the first place.
It's pretty damn obvious the Family Plan was a rushed, ill-thought out desperation play to stem to bad PR MS was inundated with. As you said, downloading massive files for a 1 hour demo doesn't make sense. Why not just download the official demo that's likely an order of magnitude smaller in size and that gives the same experience? What benefit does the Family Plan gives you that officially released demos doesn't already?
Zoe
Member
And he was on the nose for other things.
He apologized for the things he was wrong about. Things change at the last minute all the time (he wasn't confident about Sony, IIRC). Announcements get pulled all the time (Gaikai at last year's E3, anyone?).
uncledonnie
Banned
60 minutes just sounds like the 1 hour check in. Why would they restrict just demos like this? Makes no sense at all.
I don't really doubt the confirmation but I really want to know what possible benefit they'd have for pretty directly lying like that both on that Xbox Wire page and in the Ars Technica and Penny Arcade interviews. It just doesn't make sense as a policy decision from any angle I can consider.
LiquidSolid
Member
Ugh. Mirror's Edge wasn't at the MS conference but it was at E3. He specifically said that he couldn't confirm whether there's a PS4 paywall.
The only thing he actually got wrong was PoP and he apologised for that.
Wishmaster92
Member
"The Xbox One Just Got Way Worse, And It's Our Fault."
Sony does the same thing, and, to be honest, provided you don't have a bandwidth cap, a 1 hour demo of the actual game can convince you to purchase far more than a demo in many instances.
That said, I knew there had to be a catch to family sharing. It was always too good to be true. I would not mourn its loss at all.
FunkyPajamas
Member
Wait, wait, wait. So the 60 minute limit thing on the "Family Share" has been confirmed? Fucking hell Microsoft.
It probably started out from the idea that you could download/install your game at a friends house and play it - then when you leave, the game is still 'there' so why not let your friend play it for a while and see if they want to buy it? And they won't have to download it again because it is already installed.
No, NOTHING has been "confirmed" - NOTHING at all.
uncledonnie
Banned
It'd be more absurd to restrict 60 minute demos this way when they'd be nothing more than an attempt to sell the game.
I wouldn't want the RISK of potentially messing everything up, but yeah. it would've been really interesting to see how badly things fucked up if they just went "we don't give a FUCK we're doing this! All the way!"
I think the angle there was not mentioning a game would be ALSO on PS4 in the relevant conferences and maybe not on the show floor, which is a moot problem since 1. they tend to relay the platforms online, AKA where MOST people are actually going to know and see, and 2. Sony was very much guilty of the same by misleading us on implied FFXV and KHIII exclusivity. It's kinda crappy, but in the end it's the one area they're both guilty at, and frankly I can understand it within the context of a press conference at least; they're talking about THEIR platforms, and no one elses.
I knew the family sharing thing was too good to be true.
The vast majority of games (especially AAA ones) don't have demos so that wouldn't really work in every scenario.
The vast majority of games (especially AAA ones) don't have demos so that wouldn't really work in every scenario.
That's why CBOAT heads the train and you are in the Caboose.
This actually ties in to the question I had about this so called policy. What would stop you from constantly changing people in your family group? If there were no restrictions in place you could just keep changing family group members to people who had a particular game you wanted to play. If such a feature was implemented it would have to be seriously restricted so that didn't happen.
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