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MVG: Xbox has lost its way
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radewagon
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Youtuber and programmer. MVG is legit.
Unrivaledx88
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Everyone putting pressure on MS I see. Cant be good for them with all these videos and articles. I’m sure they are feeling pressure .
They need to restructure how they sell games and do away with Gamepass next gen and have Exclusives ready if they want to compete again .
I’m loving the pressure on them tho. Want to see how they respond and do
They need to restructure how they sell games and do away with Gamepass next gen and have Exclusives ready if they want to compete again .
I’m loving the pressure on them tho. Want to see how they respond and do
Imru’ al-Qays
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You really think there's a next gen for Microsoft? They're obviously beginning the process of winding things down
midnightAI
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Bullet Club
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There was talk recently of a new Xbox coming out in 2026, along with the Xbox handheld.
Kurotri
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You'd think so but Sarah has publicly acknowledged twice now that next-gen is coming.
AyraSutoraifu
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True that may be, but in what form?
Kurotri
Member
That's the question! All we have right now are rumors of another big power-oriented console like the Series X, alongside a handheld console, with I think both (?) enabling sideloading. So you have the opportunity to get Steam, Epic and what not on there and get games running. So..kinda like an Xbox-branded PC? Kinda confused there myself to be honest.
lordrand11
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If I'm not mistaken he also works with Nightdive Studios backporting a lot of the older games over (like Turok 1 and 2, Shadowman etc.,)
MayauMiao
Member
A game programmer, loves Xbox so for him to say this about the current state of the system says a lot.
MisterXDTV
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"Xbox has lost its way"
It never had one
It never had one
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Dick Jones
Gold Member
Moses wandered the desert for 40 years. Give Phil another 30 years and I'm sure he'll get it right by then.
ReyBrujo
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Someone who was complaining about not making enough money anymore from YouTube (?)
Xbox never had a path. Microsoft created it on a hurry to prevent Sony from becoming the living room de facto platform. And has been tumbling since then.
To clarify: Gaming was his Trojan horse to get their platform everywhere to then become a media center but when trying to jump it failed and now it's in muddy waters.
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SenkiDala
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Not really, I saw him bitching again and again against games that come out digital only (BG3/AW2) even though the games he works on are... All digital only.
I'm trying to figure out the context but couldn't do it.
The jet engine on pro don't need that, it'll do the job just fine.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Yeah he's cool. Humble, intelligent and is actually a developer/programmer. I respect his opinions and look forward to his videos. Will give
this a watch later.
Kssio_Aug
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Well, the thing is that the media as a whole has been bashing their heads against Xbox since like forever, predicting it's end every once in a while. But they're still selling a respectable amount of consoles and games even, although not as much as Sony.
So I find it a bit ironic to see them saying Xbox has lost it's way when every move MS makes are met with the overall same response.
But yeah. I don't really think they ever had much of a focus. They're always changing their plans, and trying different routes, and it might have hurt the brand long term (and also might have saved it in other circumstances too).
They fucked up about Tango. That I definitely agree. But I will just wait and see the direction they will take, and what comes from it, because there isn't much left to do anyway.
However, as a consumer I'm not really worried. As soon as I believe Xbox has nothing to offer me I go to PC, Playstation, Nintendo, or whatever I feel like.
So I find it a bit ironic to see them saying Xbox has lost it's way when every move MS makes are met with the overall same response.
But yeah. I don't really think they ever had much of a focus. They're always changing their plans, and trying different routes, and it might have hurt the brand long term (and also might have saved it in other circumstances too).
They fucked up about Tango. That I definitely agree. But I will just wait and see the direction they will take, and what comes from it, because there isn't much left to do anyway.
However, as a consumer I'm not really worried. As soon as I believe Xbox has nothing to offer me I go to PC, Playstation, Nintendo, or whatever I feel like.
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The decision to make xbox happened internally, it won't go away, xbox exist with pc, that'll also hurt the PC gaming industry if it happens, it's too risky to pull the trigger.
Syphon Filter
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they are about a decade late.
Badlucktroll
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ChorizoPicozo
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you think? what I think is that there is an unprecedented media attempt to kill Xbox and with fake concern number 874884728 to hate on all things Xbox.
CuteFaceJay
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MVG is a top guy.
eerik9000
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Exactly! Phil has been at Microsoft only since 1988. That is not enough time. He is still learning what is best. Give him more time, he's one of us!
Pancakes and Sausage
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The beginning of the Xbox One generation, Microsoft made decisions that were good for profit but bad for people.
The entire brand tanked.
Xbox then changed their entire strategy and started to regain trust. Xbox also started to buy developers and there was hope that great new games are coming.
Now Microsoft made decisions that are good for profit but bad for people. It’s unfortunate that this new direction comes just as the old vision was about to deliver.
The entire brand is getting dragged through the mud and it doesn’t take a genius to see the damage to the Xbox has been considerable.
Microsoft will have another Xbox for next generation but I bet the sales will be half of what the series consoles were. This will lead to Microsoft abandoning consoles for future generations.
TLDR - Xbox executives are making the same mistakes as they did during the Xbox One launch and they are going to get fucked.
The entire brand tanked.
Xbox then changed their entire strategy and started to regain trust. Xbox also started to buy developers and there was hope that great new games are coming.
Now Microsoft made decisions that are good for profit but bad for people. It’s unfortunate that this new direction comes just as the old vision was about to deliver.
The entire brand is getting dragged through the mud and it doesn’t take a genius to see the damage to the Xbox has been considerable.
Microsoft will have another Xbox for next generation but I bet the sales will be half of what the series consoles were. This will lead to Microsoft abandoning consoles for future generations.
TLDR - Xbox executives are making the same mistakes as they did during the Xbox One launch and they are going to get fucked.
ChorizoPicozo
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is this raytracing artefacting?
rhodesianshepard
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Just wait for the shitstorm when the Next- Gen Xbox arrives in 2026 but won't make next-gen games until at least 2030
Dick Jones
Gold Member
He has been at MS since 1988? He is only in the door.#givehimtime
HeisenbergFX4
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Lets revisit this in about 18 months as I think MS is changing tactics since they are tired of getting their teeth kicked in sales wise
Heimdall_Xtreme
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Since the launch of the Xbox 360 and the red lights it was a point of no return for me.
LordOfChaos
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Boss Mog
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XBOX 360 was amazing, it was ahead of the PS3 in almost every department and instead of building on that, they completely fucked up the XBOX ONE. I didn't wanna blame Phil for that because he inherited that shit show. I thought he'd turn it around with the next box but it was a shit-show from the get go with the inclusion of the Series S and it only got worse from there and here we are today with a brand that has lost all its appeal.
SantaC
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Yes he is, but kinda funny how excited he was when posting about emulator progress (yuzu), but totally agreed with Nintendo when they killed it.
Darkkahn
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Jesus christ!
Fox Mulder
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MS surely moves to third party in a couple years. The Xbox has really struggled since the XB1 and now the internet is finally turning on Phil Spencer. Xbox is seen as the asshole corporate jerks again after like a decade of trying to rebuild goodwill after Mattrick. Even another console generation probably won’t change anything.
Shareholders and Nadella will want results from the money spent on Activision.
Shareholders and Nadella will want results from the money spent on Activision.
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XXL
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I was reading on a few different places that Welfare (sales guy) was saying the PS5 is outselling the Xbox Series consoles at Walmart in the US at a rate of 6:1 (recently) and this was prior to this week's news breaking. So all indicators would suggest it is going to be even worse going forward.
If this is true (at all), they're aren't going to be launching anything and thing are going to change way fucking faster than people thought they would.
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The Kinect games really were the last big selling Xbox exclusives