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[mrklaw]

jesus. First I thought I'd stumbled upon some parallel dimension where the world's superpower and defender of human rights was forcibly sterilising its own population.

This is unbeleivable.


Putting my cynical hat on for a second... in terms of compensation, I'm surprised the fucks didn't suggest victims were already compensated by means of not having to pay for the upkeep of children. Shit, they might even owe the government money!

 

[Cheech]

I am pro-sterilization in only one instance: the instance of someone who has been convicted of molesting a child.

Also: brutal rapes, serial rapists, and child abusers. If you abuse a child mentally or physically, no more kids for you.

This program is just fucked up, though. Obviously a racial element in play here. Would not be surprised if these "social workers" all flew the confederate flag from their shitbox KKK mobiles.

 

[JoeBoy101]

This program is just fucked up, though. Obviously a racial element in play here. Would not be surprised if these "social workers" all flew the confederate flag from their shitbox KKK mobiles.

"Where did all this come from? This came from doctors, medical practitioners, professors, not guys in pickup trucks wearing white sheets," said Edwin Black, author of the eugenics history "War Against the Weak."

Just saying. Though the racial element is pretty undeniable, given the demographics and results of the program. But therein lies the issue with Eugenics. As soon as it leaves the noble thoughts of its creators and enters into the actual usage of flawed man, harm is going to come to innocent people.

 

[mrklaw]

Sometimes that's a necessity of working schedules, no different than for lower or middle income families where kids are raised by a Grandparent or day care. To an extent it's a side effect of the switch from one to two parent working families.

I'm all for enforced one working parent families.

Choice is fine as is equality of opportunity, but when you have a certain number of two parent working families, it skews the economy to the point where one parent working families have to change to follow suit.

 

[mrklaw]

See, you can't just go by a majority vote. If you don't like eugenics, that may only be 1 point of pain for you. But, the kid who grows up in an abusive environment and eventually becomes a criminal? His existence has produced 1,000 points of pain.

minority report. Do we have the future cops on patrol now?

 

[mt1200]

Its called Eugenics, google it, it was common in some countries several years ago.

Quite like Nazism if you ask me.

 

[jaxword]

Its called Eugenics, google it, it was common in some countries several years ago.

Quite like Nazism if you ask me.

About time you got here, Godwin. Surprised no one played it earlier.

 

[JoeBoy101]

About time you got here, Godwin. Surprised no one played it earlier.

Not sure if you can pull Godwin in on an issue where the Nazi's were quite avid fans.

 

[USD]

I learned about Social Darwinism and eugenics programs, but didn't know that some of the programs were still alive into the 70s. Can't say that I'm overly surprised though.

 

[tiff]

Not sure if you can pull Godwin in on an issue where the Nazi's were quite avid fans.

Nazi propaganda even used the sterilization projects practiced in other countries such as the U.S. to justify their own eugenics programs.

It's not Godwin when the Nazis literally did it.

so are murderers in cold blood and rapists, I'd argue
Or what makes pedos (objectively) worse than murderers in cold blood?
Sterilize 'em all, I say!

Pretty much. Child molesters are just the easiest to pick on. You don't really need to build a logically sound argument in favor of any policy regarding them, because most people would support just about anything.

 

[Esch]

I am pro-sterilization in only one instance: the instance of someone who has been convicted of molesting a child.

The only justifiable use of this as a punishment is for serial rapists.

How can people be okay and in favor of government officials being charged with the responsibility of deciding what humans can pass on their genetics? Mind boggling. Even if there was genetic or cultural benefit to such a program you see no problems with how this could be abused?

 

[Orayn]

Just saying. Though the racial element is pretty undeniable, given the demographics and results of the program. But therein lies the issue with Eugenics. As soon as it leaves the noble thoughts of its creators and enters into the actual usage of flawed man, harm is going to come to innocent people.

Pretty much. Even the "positive" forms of eugenics, like having Nobel prize winners donate to sperm banks will eventually get tangled up in the same ethical fustercluck as the rest of it.

 

[Des0lar]

We should develop a set of criteria for sterilizing people. It shouldn't be because we don't like the way they look or what religion they are. It should be based on their past deeds. You have a kid at 13, we're taking a serious look at you.

And not only have I read the OP, I have read about this exact case in North Carolina before.

Holy shit you are insane. It's one thing supporting the idea that you need to be allowed to have kids, it's a whole other story STEALING PEOPLE THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE KIDS PROBABLY FOREVER.
What will you do once you are wrongly accused of rape and they cut your dick off(figurativly)? Still think it's an awesome idea?

 

[Meus Renaissance]

Its called Eugenics, google it, it was common in some countries several years ago.

Quite like Nazism if you ask me.

The Nazi's were quoting American Eugenicists when advocating the practice in Germany!

I am pro-sterilization in only one instance: the instance of someone who has been convicted of molesting a child.

I consider reproduction a human right. I don't see how it is fair or ethical to permanently deny someone the chance to be a father or a mother irrespective of their crimes. If for example they would be a threat to the child itself, then it should be made clear the child would be raised by a foster parent, but still have access to them (supervised to whatever extent is necessary). Two wrongs don't make a right in situations like this

 

[Orayn]

Holy shit you are insane. It's one thing supporting the idea that you need to be allowed to have kids, it's a whole other story STEALING PEOPLE THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE KIDS PROBABLY FOREVER.
What will you do once you are wrongly accused of rape and they cut your dick off(figurativly)? Still think it's an awesome idea?

Cue another round of a special pleading that it would be "only for certain cases," then a refusal to give any specifics, then a veiled admission that the person wants the punishment also wants to decide it on a case by case basis, by their own standards.

 

[RustyNails]

Because they don't go to jail for life. And who knows what happens down the line - what if these monsters get parole? No way it's worth risking it. Something like 55~60% of these freaks re-offend.

So you'd want to forcibly sterilize even the remaining 40% who probably might get rehabilitated, just because the 60% are likely to re-offend? Besides, sterilization hardly stops rapists. The correct term is "anti-libido" drugs, that reduce your sexual libido to the point that you are not attracted sexually. Anti libido drugs are also reversible.

 

[CornBurrito]

Question to those that want sterilization for sex offenders, and only sex offenders.

Would you be fine giving the government power to censor the Internet in order to block sites related to the distribution of child porn (much like Australia)?

Much of my reason for being against a eugenics program (even for terrible lowlifes like child molesters/cinderblockdad) is because even with strict criteria I can easily see a slippery slope situation where the criteria are lessened slowly over time until the bar is set low enough for abuse to reenter the system.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

The only justifiable use of this as a punishment is for serial rapists.

How can people be okay and in favor of government officials being charged with the responsibility of deciding what humans can pass on their genetics? Mind boggling. Even if there was genetic or cultural benefit to such a program you see no problems with how this could be abused?

Remember: rapists really aren't motivated sexually to commit their crimes. It's a power/control thing. Sterilizing the rapist won't stop them from raping someone in the future. Removing someone's ability to have children strikes me as a very dangerous proposition. Taking anything permanently from a person who may be able to be rehabilitated as 'punishment' is a very scary thought.

 

[Devolution]

Remember: rapists really aren't motivated sexually to commit their crimes. It's a power/control thing. Sterilizing the rapist won't stop them from raping someone in the future. Removing someone's ability to have children strikes me as a very dangerous proposition. Taking anything permanently from a person who may be able to be rehabilitated as 'punishment' is a very scary thought.

Yup. And if they can't "get it up", they'll just rape someone with objects.

 

[turnbuckle]

Absolutely horrifying.
Can't believe this is the first I'm hearing of this.


Buying the Kindle version of War Agasint the Weak

Also just bought medical apartheid.

I'm really quite shocked and disgusted

 

[iNvid02]

what the fuck....................................................................

in america.............