sans_pants
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nfl is on the way out
besides amazon already won the bidding war for thursday night football
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Netflix plans to spend $8 billion to make its library 50 percent original by 2018
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nfl is on the way out
besides amazon already won the bidding war for thursday night football
Crimson_Echidna
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CBS likely has to honor whatever the original duration they licensed the series out for to Netflix. It's the same reason Disney said they won't be "pulling" their movies and shows from Netflix until like 2019.
sooperkool
Member
Bosch, Goliath, Sneaky Pete and Patriot are all solid shows.
bobnowhere
Member
I've got and idea... Greenlit!
DOWN
Banned
They are playing into the hands of the distributors making their own streaming services. Netflix is about to become another HBO. A smaller catalog with just a bunch of acclaimed stuff that serves a much different purpose than the original premise of Netflixs massive acquired variety from many networks and studios. Netflix being another HBO is not as good a value in the end. Theres only so many HBOs worth buying into since the catalogs are not a Netflix size of variety.
bitbydeath
Member
Netflix is the best service in Australia (no HBO here). Im all ready to get the Disney service when it arrives but the original content will be why I stay with Netflix as well.
Version 3.0
Member
Bad news for me. I want a service where I can find movies. Movies that I've heard of, preferably, but decent films outside of that are nice, too. Netflix used to be that. There was a brief time when I could search for a film and have a decent chance it'd be there. Or I could click on something that looked interesting and it'd be pretty good.
Now, though, it's mostly awful. Amazon Prime is even worse. HBO's selection is solid, but tiny and refreshed too slowly. And that is already stretching what I'm willing to pay. I'm certainly not paying for one service per movie company. I guess the best days of streaming movies are already gone.
Now, though, it's mostly awful. Amazon Prime is even worse. HBO's selection is solid, but tiny and refreshed too slowly. And that is already stretching what I'm willing to pay. I'm certainly not paying for one service per movie company. I guess the best days of streaming movies are already gone.
sooperkool
Member
The thing you forget is that HBO has first run movies regularly which gives them the luxury of only needing a small output of original shows and movies.
StrategyFan
Member
they should just launch a separate plan that serves the original purpose of netflix (aka watching old shit)
I think he's done with movies, unfortunately. WWZ 2 is a favor for Brad Pitt.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I don't think so.
For most of the new compettitors, the content they'll be providing is legacy content just sitting in their vault not costing anything. Since they own most of that they don't need to invest as much as Netflix is currently doing because Netflix is basically playing catch up on content. You remove the insane amount of investment and the profit will be easier to attain for them while crippling a competitors which was siphoning viewers from their TV and theater offerings. Removing an all in one solution to TV and movies was probably putting going to the theater or buying/renting a movie as a bad value proposition for a lot of people. Segmenting the market that way may improve that value proposition (or more likely piracy) since there will be more hoops for any given content.
They might make less money then they did with Netflix but it migh propel most of their other business upward.
Yeah I think there are different types of users. Like my mom, you want specific movies that you are interested in. However, what I want is just entertainment. I don't really care about specific content so much as quality content. Netflix has a ton, and Amazon has a surprisingly solid amount too. Sucks if you want something specific, amazing if you're adventurous and willing to watch new things you might not have heard of.
within the last 1-2 weeks alone I've seen three shows I had no idea existed on Netflix and have loved every one. American Vandal, Mindhunter, and The Good Place. I could probably list 20 other series I wouldn't have watched or been aware of without amazon/netflix
Yup. This is why I enjoy a show like Game of Thrones so much. There is so much discussion in between episodes and going back and re-watching it to notice new things. The whole season goes on for 2 and half months and it's a blast the whole way through.
Last year I binge watched Stranger things in a weekend. Me and some friends talked about it for a few days, then that was it. Just too hard to enjoy a show when everything is given to you at once and people move on so quick after they binge watch.
RedAssedApe
Banned
Killing it with the original shows. Probably binge watching something new almost every month.
Movies? Not so much but they arent total garbage.
Movies? Not so much but they arent total garbage.
It works for Netflix as a company. So I'm not sure what you're complaining about.
RedAssedApe
Banned
I always get emails and notifications in the app whenever a new show or movie they release is out. Marketing isnt that big of a deal when all episodes of something are available at once. You can watch at your own pace and dont have to worry about keeping up. Good shows will trend like with a bunch of their recent shows.
#whodrewthedicks
firehawk12
Subete no aware
20 more seasons of Iron Fist confirmed.
Fancyarcher
Member
And only 2 of those films will get any actual promotion.
Spiritual_Chaos
Banned
They should spend the money on getting more classics/older titles. Atleast in sweden. The classics collection they have is like 20 titles.
Spikematic
Member
I only sub to Netflix for the original content and it is so worth it. The newer stuff like Narcos S3, American Vandal, Ozark and Mindhunter has been utterly fantastic. I'm really excited to see how The Witcher (hope they manage to bring in the games' composer!) and Altered Carbon turn out!
Bwahahahaha, South Park are so on point.
Was that show any good?
Trailer for S1 looked pretty awful
We're getting The Witcher Netflix series soon enough.
Randomizer123454444
Member
SO glad! I'm watching a lot of Netflix original content. I hope quality keeps up.
Netflix shows don't need massive ratings, what they want is to satisfy viewers of certain categories and/or niches that their algorithms dig up. To be a success, Netflix show just has to be a hit in their target viewership category.
They want to make original shows for many kinds of viewers, so obviously as a result one person can't watch them all.
As long as Netflix interface and recommendations algorithm are up to scratch, I think they can rely a lot on the "Let's see if there is something to watch on Netflix" -reflex. It will not replace your normal marketing 100%, but for example the "here is something you may like" -notifications are basically adverts.
Netflix shows don't need massive ratings, what they want is to satisfy viewers of certain categories and/or niches that their algorithms dig up. To be a success, Netflix show just has to be a hit in their target viewership category.
They want to make original shows for many kinds of viewers, so obviously as a result one person can't watch them all.
As long as Netflix interface and recommendations algorithm are up to scratch, I think they can rely a lot on the "Let's see if there is something to watch on Netflix" -reflex. It will not replace your normal marketing 100%, but for example the "here is something you may like" -notifications are basically adverts.
Triggerhappytel
Member
To my shame I still haven't watched that. Just seems like a very tough subject & I haven't been in the right mood for it.
Booker Dewitt
Member
Just give Joe Swanberg like 5 million and two years and he'll pop out like ten movies.
Master Of Illusion
Member
In all seriousness, what are the chances of successfully pitching a show to Netflix now?
Brb.
Brb.
ClosingADoor
Member
I don't care too much for their original content, but they are great for bringing American shows to Europe the next day. Star Trek, The Good Place, Riverdale and more. The US can have their fragmented market while Netflix does the distribution worldwide.
This was always their plan, it's not like they have been keeping it to themselves. The CEO said in 2013 that "the goal is to become HBO faster than HBO can become us."
I think this is great, a lot of their original content is good stuff. That said, they need to figure out a better way to market their stuff. I never would have heard of American Vandal if it wasn't for the Gaf thread. Same with Okja. Both are some of the best things to come out this year.
I think this is great, a lot of their original content is good stuff. That said, they need to figure out a better way to market their stuff. I never would have heard of American Vandal if it wasn't for the Gaf thread. Same with Okja. Both are some of the best things to come out this year.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
I like this news. I mostly watch netflix originals tv on there anyway. Big films that come out that I want I just buy digitally on Amazon (and there really arnt that many that I am that bothered by these days anyway).
I agree, a weekly release lets people anticipate the next episode and there's actual discussion about it, it builds and audience that actually interacts with each other.
There's no real duscission about the dumped for binging shows on here, everyone warches at their own pace, the threads are full of spoilert tags and after a week they fizzle out and disappear while the weekly show threads are active for months.
Don't be ridiculous, as if Netflix is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and not because they're in it for the money too. Why wouldn't content providers raise the fees or pull their stuff if they can make more money that way?
Posted this in the Riz Ahmed Hamlet thread,but it bears repeating here seeing as I've seen discussion of the quality of Netflix's content:
It's Netflix's business model to make bad stuff as well as good stuff. If you fill your service with A+ top quality intellectual content then yes, you'll attract lots of people who like that, but you'll lose the people who want to watch Adam Sandler or Kevin James films. You'll lose idiots who watch trash and their money is just as good as everyone else's.
All they want is to put a wide spread of content up on their service so there's at least a couple of things that appeal to people enough to make them pay the $10 a month or whatever for their membership. Making original content draws more people in, and the don't care if it's good or bad as long as there's enough of both kinds to keep all types of people subscribed.
It's Netflix's business model to make bad stuff as well as good stuff. If you fill your service with A+ top quality intellectual content then yes, you'll attract lots of people who like that, but you'll lose the people who want to watch Adam Sandler or Kevin James films. You'll lose idiots who watch trash and their money is just as good as everyone else's.
All they want is to put a wide spread of content up on their service so there's at least a couple of things that appeal to people enough to make them pay the $10 a month or whatever for their membership. Making original content draws more people in, and the don't care if it's good or bad as long as there's enough of both kinds to keep all types of people subscribed.
Great news. I rarely watch non originals on Netflix. Plus I love the international deals they have with CW shows and Better Call Saul.
But as others said, they definitely have issues with their marketing. They seem to be reliant on word of mouth, and have no problem if their movies get swallowed up. How many people browse Netflix and end up watching a movie theyve never heard of? Most Netflix movies are stuff no one knows about
But as others said, they definitely have issues with their marketing. They seem to be reliant on word of mouth, and have no problem if their movies get swallowed up. How many people browse Netflix and end up watching a movie theyve never heard of? Most Netflix movies are stuff no one knows about
ClosingADoor
Member
That is not how finances work. Netflix actually reported a profit if I understand the numbers correctly. A small one, just over 100 million. But when you are a company looking for growth, you don't want a lot of profit, you want to use it.
Every company has debt. Apple has debt and is the richest public company around. That is how these things work.
Netflix has the right idea. Sure, theyre paying 8 billion upfront for hundreds of titles, but they get to keep the rights to those titles for the rest of time. That is some crazy residual value.
Publishers have been screwing over Netflix for years with jacked up prices for rights. But Stranger Things? Netflix just has to pay for it upfront. It costs nothing to keep on their service. And that upfront payment is tax deductible with filming credits, while licensing fees arent.
Theyre also working on disrupting the anime market, which is huge for their international reach. The anime market was ripe for disruption, to be honest, and Netflix is going for it.
Publishers have been screwing over Netflix for years with jacked up prices for rights. But Stranger Things? Netflix just has to pay for it upfront. It costs nothing to keep on their service. And that upfront payment is tax deductible with filming credits, while licensing fees arent.
Theyre also working on disrupting the anime market, which is huge for their international reach. The anime market was ripe for disruption, to be honest, and Netflix is going for it.
How are licensing fees not tax-deductible?
Man i just put on The Babysitter as background while doing some work on my laptop. I had no idea what kind of movie it was but that thing grabbed me from "that" moment and didnt let go.
SomedayTheFire
Member
I really wonder if people saying "most of their original stuff is trash" actually watch any of it, or have watched one thing, didn't like it and now think they hate it all. Seemed to happen with the marvels shows. Iron Fist is bad therefore all Netflix original content is bad.
Adam Sandler movies too.
Adam Sandler movies too.