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New Pope elected. Young (76), and from South America. Takes Pope Name "Francis"

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Mael

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hym said:
I think the official spin is that Cardinals are inspired by the Holy Spirit to make the correct decision.
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They're still human last I checked and as such can make mistakes unless I missed the announcement from a previous pope saying that it's really god.
 
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Dead Man

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el retorno said:
Um... He's not for sex abuse and he's stated that Condom use is OK to prevent infection (the Church still looks down on sex for fun I think)
And the Church will probably be against marriage equality for a LONG time (its a sacrament and I don't think it really matters for secular folks as long as there is civil marriage) I think the bigger issue and where there is room for improvement in the immediate future is on protecting gays from discrimination and promoting better equality for them.
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Of course he's not FOR sex abuse. In regards marriage equality, it is not contradictory to be in favour of civil gay marriage while thinking it is not something your religion can solemnise. Why does he care what two non Catholics do? The bigger issue is normalising gay relationships which will result in less of the discrimination you say you are worried about. One way to further that is to have marriage equality.
 
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Psychotext

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I'm assuming the young bit of the header is sarcasm? I really don't know why they can't pick one in his 50s who should at least be able to lead the church for a solid couple of decades or more.

Stop picking coffin dodgers you arseholes.
 
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Link Man

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Hazmat said:
It's pretty clear that what they absolutely don't want is for someone to be in charge for 25 years. One person with absolute power for that long can make a lot of changes, and the church wants to be able to alter its course every 8 years or so, like most organizations (or nations) do.
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So could this mean that we see a trend of abdication, then?
 
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gutter_trash

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Pope Jean-Paul II was fluent in ten languages -- Polish, Latin, Italian, French, German, English, Spanish, Croatian, Portuguese, and Russian

this Francis I only speaks his native Italian and Spanish + German

way to go! meh
 
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gutter_trash said:
Pope Jean-Paul II was fluent in ten languages -- Polish, Latin, Italian, French, German, English, Spanish, Croatian, Portuguese, and Russian

this Francis I only speaks his native Italian and Spanish + German

way to go! meh
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Yeah but they can't all be JP2. They'll never find anyone more loved for decades.

They're going through an evil pope phase. Which is more natural.
 
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If 76 is considered young to be pope, i can't imagine what is considered old. 90? Who would even elected a 90 years old pope that could die any day anyway.
 
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With apologies to Biggie Smalls:

I LOVE IT WHEN YOU CALL ME BIG POPE-A
Wave your hands in the air if you's a big prayer
I LOVE IT WHEN YOU CALL ME BIG POPE-A
I'm proseletyzing, making money from tithing
I LOVE IT WHEN YOU CALL ME BIG POPE-A
When you see the white smoke don't write it off as a joke (why?)
Cuz Pope Benedict called it quits and now I'm runnin' this baby, baby
 
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gutter_trash said:
Pope Jean-Paul II was fluent in ten languages -- Polish, Latin, Italian, French, German, English, Spanish, Croatian, Portuguese, and Russian

this Francis I only speaks his native Italian and Spanish + German

way to go! meh
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Benedict XVI knew about 9, John-Paul II knew as many as 12, so yeah it's kinda underwhelming that Francis I only knows 3.
 
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lupinko said:
Benedict XVI knew about 9, John-Paul II knew as many as 12, so yeah it's kinda underwhelming that Francis I only knows 3.
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I'd imagine being from outside of Europe is a big reason for it. Outside of Brazil, Spanish is the language of the entire continent.
 
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Joe Lee

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Link said:
I'd imagine being from outside of Europe is a big reason for it. Outside of Brazil, Spanish is the language of the entire continent.
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Well, there's also Guyana (English), French Guiana (French), and Suriname (Dutch), but regardless, yeah.
 
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lupinko

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I'd imagine being from outside of Europe is a big reason for it. Outside of Brazil, Spanish is the language of the entire continent.
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It could, but two other contenders in Cardinal Ouellet and Cardinal Tagle for Pope prior to Pope Francis knew 6 languages respectively, and both are from outside of Europe as well.
 
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ComputerMKII

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You are too severe. Learning a new language takes a lot of time and is no trivial thing. Being fluent in three languages is nothing to be ashamed of.
 
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MorisUkunRasik

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Ikael said:
Yup, the whole package. The child abuse scandals of the Church and the BBC were frightenly similar, as was the outrageous attitude of the middle ranks involved in both of them. I guess that this makes the BBC a cove of child molesters, and every single English taxpayer a phedophile supporter by omission. I hope they all rennounce their British citizenship before they start loosing moral authority to incredible, utterly superior non-English people such as myself. Also, me saying this doesn't makes me an asshole nor a bigot, but rather a quite awesome and enlightened person./
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Nah, we've been over this already and it's quite the false equivalency for many reasons.

Namely the consequences of not supporting this particular sect of christianty are not equal to the consequences of tax evasion.

The church also has an extensive history of battling against civil rights, affecting policy in Africa that worsens the fight against aids, centuries of murder and rape. The child abuse scandal and its on going cover up is just the latest blemish.

Also the most ironic of all, the BBC creates entertainment while catholcisim promises you eternal salvation.
 
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WedgeX

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Dave Inc. said:
Can someone explain to a monstrous heathen what difference it makes that he's Jesuit?

Also, Pope Frank is Best Frank.
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The Jesuits are a religious order that is big on science and education. They run universities in the United States such as Georgetown, Marquette, Loyola of Chicago, Fordham, Boston College, University of Detroit-Mercy, and the University of San Francisco among others. The order as a whole, not necessarily Pope Francis, is seen as a progressive and rebellious force within the church. They were anti-slavery during the colonization of the western hemisphere. Which even got made into The Mission.
 
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gutter_trash

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Computer said:
You are too severe. Learning a new language takes a lot of time and is no trivial thing. Being fluent in three languages is nothing to be ashamed of.
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If he spoke French and English, he would have better connection with Africa. Now what he is gonna do? Talk Spanish or Italian to them

I know some languages are hard, but if you speak Italian + Spanish then it should be easy to learn French + Portuguese ontop. LOL Brazil is the next door neighbor, don'T tell me there was no way for an Argentinian religious dude to learn Portuguese.
 
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Omegasquash

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I'm confident that my inability to lie when questioned got me in trouble last night, specific to the Pope.

I'm the only one in my house that questions belief in a higher power, and my opinion on organized religion is known (though I don't wear it on my sleeve...to each their own). New Pope comes up while we're figuring out what to eat for dinner last night, and mom-in-law asks what I think.

I smile, and grab something from the next room. I heard "well he's supposed to be a reformer" said to me, so I come back and say that "any organization that preaches love and practices bigotry isn't worth their own salt."

My wife gave me a look (she's Catholic).

So, I continue (idiotically) by bringing up contraception and wealth. I then stop, because I'm not exactly preaching to my crowd.

Oh well. It wouldn't be the first time the church has got me in trouble. And my daughter is going to be christened here soon too. Fuckin' church...always gets me somehow.
 
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Count Dookkake

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Omegasquash said:
I'm confident that my inability to lie when questioned got me in trouble last night, specific to the Pope.

I'm the only one in my house that questions belief in a higher power, and my opinion on organized religion is known (though I don't wear it on my sleeve...to each their own). New Pope comes up while we're figuring out what to eat for dinner last night, and mom-in-law asks what I think.

I smile, and grab something from the next room. I heard "well he's supposed to be a reformer" said to me, so I come back and say that "any organization that preaches love and practices bigotry isn't worth their own salt."

My wife gave me a look (she's Catholic).

So, I continue (idiotically) by bringing up contraception and wealth. I then stop, because I'm not exactly preaching to my crowd.

Oh well. It wouldn't be the first time the church has got me in trouble. And my daughter is going to be christened here soon too. Fuckin' church...always gets me somehow.
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Where's the trouble?

Also, whatever it is, you got yourself into it, by marrying into a religious family.

Not a church's fault.
 
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Computer said:
You are too severe. Learning a new language takes a lot of time and is no trivial thing. Being fluent in three languages is nothing to be ashamed of.
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How much time do these men need? They sit around talking to God, that's plenty of time to pick up a book. If he can't interpret Koine Greek and Latin how is he supposed to do his job?
 
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Omegasquash

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Count Dookkake said:
Where's the trouble?

Also, whatever it is, you got yourself into it, by marrying into a religious family.

Not a church's fault.
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What I didn't mention (and should have) is that people are protective of their beliefs. What I should have done is just say "good, hope he does well" and let it slide without responding to a comment.

Also, I did point out that my inability to lie (or not respond) was what got me in trouble.
 
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Count Dookkake

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Omegasquash said:
What I didn't mention (and should have) is that people are protective of their beliefs. What I should have done is just say "good, hope he does well" and let it slide without responding to a comment.

Also, I did point out that my inability to lie (or not respond) was what got me in trouble.
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Except you said it was your house. You can talk however you want to. Not being able to lie is not the root of the problem.

You married into a religious family.

This is your problem. Not to say that it is always a problem, in all relationships, but I consider a grown man not speaking freely in his own house to be a big problem.

EDIT: Not judging btw. More like diagnosing. You can fix the situation.
 
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MorisUkunRasik

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Omegasquash said:
What I didn't mention (and should have) is that people are protective of their beliefs. What I should have done is just say "good, hope he does well" and let it slide without responding to a comment.

Also, I did point out that my inability to lie (or not respond) was what got me in trouble.
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It depends on who you're discussing the topic with. Catholic mother in law is probably not very open or willing to discuss the criticisms of the pope of the catholic church.
 
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WedgeX said:
The Jesuits are a religious order that is big on science and education. They run universities in the United States such as Georgetown, Marquette, Loyola of Chicago, Fordham, Boston College, University of Detroit-Mercy, and the University of San Francisco among others. The order as a whole, not necessarily Pope Francis, is seen as a progressive and rebellious force within the church. They were anti-slavery during the colonization of the western hemisphere. Which even got made into The Mission.
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Cool, thank you.
 
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Pope Francis warns Church could become 'compassionate NGO'

Pope Francis has warned the Catholic Church would become "a compassionate NGO" without spiritual renewal.

In a Sistine Chapel Mass with cardinals on his first day as Church leader, the pontiff said: "If we do not confess to Christ, what would we be?

"We would end up a compassionate NGO. What would happen would be like when children make sand castles and then it all falls down."

Francis is the first Latin American - and the first Jesuit - Pope.

The BBC's David Willey, in Rome, says the 76-year-old has already been swift to stamp his style on the papacy.

Pope Francis is regarded as a doctrinal conservative, but he is also seen as a potential force for reform of the Vatican bureaucracy, analysts say.

Shunned special car

On Wednesday night, Pope Francis endeared himself to the crowds in St Peter's Square - and underlined his reputation for humility - when he asked them to bless him before blessing them in return from the balcony of the basilica.

The Vatican's account of his first hours in the top job on Thursday also emphasised Pope Francis's humility, describing how he shunned a special car and security detail provided to take him to the Vatican, travelling instead on a bus with the other cardinals.

Following his first outing as pope to the Rome basilica on Thursday, Francis went back to the clergy house in a city centre side street where he had been staying ahead of the conclave that elected him on Wednesday.

"He packed his bags and then he went to pay the bill for his room so as to set a good example," said Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi.

He also broke tradition by remaining standing to receive cardinals' acts of homage after his election, instead of sitting in the papal throne, Father Lombardi said.

On Friday, Pope Francis will meet all the cardinals, including those aged over 80 who did not take part in the conclave.

On Saturday he will meet the world's media at a special papal audience, an opportunity perhaps to set out some of his global vision, says the BBC's James Robbins in Rome.

A visit to his predecessor Benedict XVI at his retreat at Castel Gandolfo outside Rome is also planned, but will not take place in the next couple of days, Father Lombardi said.

The visit to Benedict is important, correspondents say, as the existence of a living retired pope has prompted fears of a possible rival power.

Francis will be installed officially in an inauguration Mass on Tuesday 19 March, the Vatican added.

Force of reform?

The election of Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio surprised many observers when it was revealed on Wednesday.

Although he reportedly came second to Pope Benedict XVI during the 2005 conclave, few had predicted the election of the first pope from outside Europe in 1,300 years.

Despite his reputation as a doctrinal conservative, Pope Francis is also seen as a potential force for reform of the Vatican bureaucracy - and analysts say that may have won him the support of reforming cardinals.

The new pontiff will certainly come under strong pressure to reform the Curia, the governing body of the Church.

He will also face an array of challenges which include the role of women, interfaith tensions and dwindling congregations in some parts of the world.

The 76-year-old from Buenos Aires is the first Pope to take the name of Francis - reminiscent of Francis of Assisi, the 13th Century Italian reformer and patron saint of animals, who lived in poverty.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21793224
 
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