It will never cease to baffle me why so many people are willing to go to bat and die on a hill for a complete stranger who does shitty things and is probably a shitty person.
If he needs an incentive not to harass women other than "you don't harass women, you creep", then it wouldn't really matter to me what the fuck he does. You don't stop harassing women to get a price.
Up to his employer if they want to keep him on. And up to people if they want to watch him. Nothing is stopping him from going out and making his own content for example. It's not on us to forgive him or anything, we are just spectators in all of this.Its a good question: what does it take for forgiveness?
If nick came out and said I appologize to all the women affected by my behavior. What I did was wrong, and I am ashamed. Im attending counseling to deal with these issues. I want to be sure that I never make anyone feel like I made these people feel again
Would it be enough?
Can people rehabilitate?
Im a bit drunk, and I think the inner fan is me is coming out. And I hate it. I just...wish this had never happened. He was such a promising guy on such a good trajectory. Yet as I type these words I feel guilt and shame myself for trying to make it all ok for him
Im sorry if this doesnt make sense
Im just so sad I guy I legit loved (I have car boys art in my house that WAS waiting to be framed) betrayed so many with his behavior.
It goes back to the softboy thing. He was such an ally. He was so sensitive to feelings....it just hurts to know it was all to be a dickhead
In such a competitive industry, the one thought I keep having is why throw resources trying to give someone a second chance when so many people haven't even had a first chance?
It's a good question: ”what does it take for forgiveness?"
If nick came out and said ”I appologize to all the women affected by my behavior. What I did was wrong, and I am ashamed. I'm attending counseling to deal with these issues. I want to be sure that I never make anyone feel like I made these people feel again"
Would it be enough?
Can people rehabilitate?
I'm a bit drunk, and I think the inner fan is me is coming out. And I hate it. I just...wish this had never happened. He was such a promising guy on such a good trajectory. Yet as I type these words I feel guilt and shame myself for trying to make it all ok for him
I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense
I'm just so sad I guy I legit loved (I have car boys art in my house that WAS waiting to be framed) betrayed so many with his behavior.
It goes back to the softboy thing. He was such an ally. He was so sensitive to feelings....it just hurts to know it was all to be a dickhead
In such a competitive industry, the one thought I keep having is why throw resources trying to give someone a second chance when so many people haven't even had a first chance?
I totally have no sympathy for this dude being a complete dipshit but I do think it's a growing trend lately that we are all getting addicted to anger. Hell the presidency just feels like two sides of America being uncontrollably angry at each other.
Because I'm guessing that people like familiarity. How many times have you heard of people saying they'll jump from one ship to another because of a personality. If it means more clicks, more ads, more money, it may seem like it's in its best interest to tolerate or at least keep said person.In such a competitive industry, the one thought I keep having is why throw resources trying to give someone a second chance when so many people haven't even had a first chance?
Because I'm guessing that people like familiarity. How many times have you heard of people saying they'll jump from one ship to another because of a personality. If it means more clicks, more ads, more money, it may seem like it's in its best interest to tolerate or at least keep said person
See my editIn this case, it'll be in no one's best interest to keep him because no one wants to work with him.
I just worry that my search to find forgiveness just shows how fucked up the whole world is.
I agree that people trying to defend someone harassing women and preying on them because of their status is indefensible (and sadly probably more common than we know).I'm not following the bolded. Could you explain a littler more? (Not trying to be sarcastic or accusatory)
I totally have no sympathy for this dude being a complete dipshit but I do think it's a growing trend lately that we are all getting addicted to anger. Hell the presidency just feels like two sides of America being uncontrollably angry at each other.
It's probably been like this all along but now with the internet it's right there out in the open for everyone to see and it's constant.
At the same time though I don't understand how someone with a big social media presence thinks he can get away with harrasing women and not get hammered for it eventually. It's like not only is head a douche.. he is a dumbass to.
See my edit
Its a good question: what does it take for forgiveness?
If nick came out and said I appologize to all the women affected by my behavior. What I did was wrong, and I am ashamed. Im attending counseling to deal with these issues. I want to be sure that I never make anyone feel like I made these people feel again
Would it be enough?
Can people rehabilitate?
This kind comes across weird.. I can talk to much younger women without being a bag of dicks.Good question, and there's no easy answer in this instance, because so much of it has to do with personality and judgment.
I swear I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, but based on those screen caps and the way he carries himself, the guy just seems like a real manchild. I don't know how you teach somebody to behave like an adult if they reach 26 and are still behaving this way. Sure, it would be great if he acknowledged what he did wrong and vowed specifically never to ask for nude pictures from a young fan ever again, but I don't feel like that specific scenario really properly covers the problem.
I guess I can't justify this belief with hard facts, but it really seems to be a case of stunted development. I suspect he has a hard time differentiating between completely innocent, non-sexual conversation and flirting. And, to me, the solution is, 'Don't be a 26 year old man who chats with 18 year old girls. This should just not be intellectually engaging for you on any level.' It's going to be a really, really rough time for him if he still wants to be Mr. Twee with the young girls.
Because I'm guessing that people like familiarity. How many times have you heard of people saying they'll jump from one ship to another because of a personality. If it means more clicks, more ads, more money, it may seem like it's in its best interest to tolerate or at least keep said person.
Look at Colin Moriarty. Despised by lots of people and was forced out of KF. They kept him around for a long time despite his shortcomings because he was a fan favorite. When he finally left, Patreon money dropped and he made thousands doing his own deal.
Money talks.
I wrote about the voters, which can have 500 different reasons why they voted for Trump and not Hillary. I don't think every voter likes every stupid shit Trump was saying. And if you are against more illegal immigration your only option was Trump, even immigrants voted for him. There isn't only black and white, enemy or friend, i hope te americans can learn this again.
And no, i am no fan of Trump and i think there should be other ways than muslim bans and walls, he is more stupid and agressive than i would like a president of such a powerful country to be, but the left moralists calling out every single trumpvoter as racist aren't my thing either and they are at least a part of why Trump could win a second time in my opinion.
Sorry for the ot, i don't want to distract from the threads topic. Move on please.
I agree that people trying to defend someone harassing women and preying on them because of their status is indefensible (and sadly probably more common than we know).
I just think it's also wrong/unedifying and silly to be so interested in someone's life falling apart. Perhaps it's an interest in justice, but I find the abrasive nature and mean spirited mob obsession kind of gross.
I appreciate your tone in your question btw. It's refreshing and kind.
The poster below is getting at what I mean as well. I'm concerned about the angry mob mentality with really awful things being said and accepted, which is disturbing.
What the hell does any of this have to do with Donald fucking Trump???
Sexual harassment culture and Trump go hand in hand.What the hell does any of this have to do with Donald fucking Trump???
And that guy ran against a woman who accepted her own husband's sexual assaults and trashed his victims. And her top aide and confident was the wife of Anthony Weiner. So yeah, not the finest moment in U.S. politics if you care about these kinds of issues.What does sexual harassment have to do with a guy who said " just grab them by the pussy" and was elected to the highest office anyway? Gee I wonder .
Equating women staying married to a husband who cheats on them as equal with a man who PUBLICLY BRAGGED ABOUT GRABBING WOMENS GENITALS AGAINST THEIR WILL is goddamn insane.And that guy ran against a woman who accepted her own husband's sexual assaults and trashed his victims. And her top aide and confident was the wife of Anthony Weiner. So yeah, not the finest moment in U.S. politics if you care about these kinds of issues.
And that guy ran against a woman who accepted her own husband's sexual assaults and trashed his victims. And her top aide and confident was the wife of Anthony Weiner. So yeah, not the finest moment in U.S. politics if you care about these kinds of issues.
If someone voted for trump, regardless of their own beliefs, they're at fault and bad people. They're either complicit with his beliefs or share them. As bad as Hillary was, she wasn't an outward gigantic bigot.
Just because you may want to keep your precious guns doesn't mean it's okay to vote for the man who has on camera bragged about sexual assault, jfc
You're seriously not aware of Bill Clinton's history of sexual assault? Google Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones.Equating women staying married to a husband who cheats on them as equal with a man who PUBLICLY BRAGGED ABOUT GRABBING WOMENS GENITALS AGAINST THEIR WILL is goddamn insane.
Trump has admitted and bragged about sexually assaulting women against their will. How many people did Huma and Hillary sexually assault?
I honestly feel bad for you if you think staying with a man and trashing the women their husband cheated on them with is just as bad as rape (and yes grabbing women's genitals against their will is rape, and Trump had admitted and bragged about doing this).
Staying with a man who cheated on them is not the same thing as sexually assaulting women. My god man.
Women reconciling with husbands (and saying not so nice things about the women their husband cheated on them with) is not something to shame a woman over. It's their choice. And to try to even compare it in the slightest to Trump forcefully sticking his fingers inside various women's vagina's against their will is sickening