In Tekken, one hit into a long combo string can absolutely murder you. The system encourages you to do those long combos, but on the flipside, the scaling punishes you hard for doing them. Reversals in this game also do next to no damage (relative to SF4) and so the game's in this weird place where you want to be doing short, high-damage combos to maximize damage output. Hence- Zangief/Hugo EVERYWHERE. (Or DORIYA DORIYA DORIYA if you have godlike execution)
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NorCal Regionals 10 | Fighting game tournament | March 24-25
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Shouta
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Well, a lot of characters have pretty solid damage combos that are easy and pretty much free if you can get the setup. It's just no one used them at NCR tonight, for the most part. I saw Combofiend do a few combo setups with Julia/King which did ok damage but he kinda flailed with him anyway. I think it was Crackfiend that pulled out Kuma to troll someone in the Pools but holy shit, Kuma does so much damage if you land even a jab. f.lp into Kuma's BnB is 383 damage, that's 40% of most character's life. More if I tack on EXs, Supers, or Cross assaults.
Effective use of those combos plus mixing in switches and the like will increase the damage done. Switch cancel combos like you saw tonight actually do less on the whole and waste meter.
Knives vs PR Balrog: Fate of the Dropped Combos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJMKHANv1IM
Hopefully NCR starts using this clip for their promos instead of using footage of Daigo getting bodied on a game he didn't really pick up.
Also, can we just give a tag to Spooky's account with "GDLK" already? I mean, really. Motherfucker deserves it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJMKHANv1IM
Hopefully NCR starts using this clip for their promos instead of using footage of Daigo getting bodied on a game he didn't really pick up.
Also, can we just give a tag to Spooky's account with "GDLK" already? I mean, really. Motherfucker deserves it.
WesternHeretic
Member
Interesting twitter talks. Noel (and James Chen) saying Marvel > SfxT, but Justin (and Ricky Ortiz) is really standing up for SFxT.
https://twitter.com/#!/NoelBHungry/status/184138063327412226
https://twitter.com/#!/JWonggg/status/184157831455449088
https://twitter.com/#!/JWonggg/status/184158113308479489
https://twitter.com/#!/NoelBHungry/status/184138063327412226
https://twitter.com/#!/JWonggg/status/184157831455449088
https://twitter.com/#!/JWonggg/status/184158113308479489
This game has more than enough damage. Two-three day one combos will kill any character. Once people figure out the damaging low hit combos most games will be over within 30-50 seconds.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
Knives vs PR Balrog: Fate of the Dropped Combos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJMKHANv1IM
Hopefully NCR starts using this clip for their promos instead of using footage of Daigo getting bodied on a game he didn't really pick up.
They should show dat Gouken hype next year. That shit was amazing.
But they seem less interested in actual highlights than a desire to show NorCal players either winning or doing dumb stuff ala Lamerboi.
That´s just mean .
They like the consistency factor. But just because it lets them win more consistently doesn't mean it's the more fun game to play. Poker and M:TG are exciting games precisely because of the variance in them allows an idiot to win occasionally.
XF3 is a balance flaw, not a design flaw.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
VF5 to replace SFxT. Believe!
Lol at thinking anything in sfxt is worse than XF. Seriously. Cute gif though.
It's still a horrendous flaw that any top player would do without. There's certainly a reason Yipes calls this game ass.
I really need to see this Gouken stuff, like now. :lol
Gouken is my favorite non-Makoto character in SF.
It was really great. Not to mention he keeps pulling him out so as time goes on we could see him as a main with Akuma instead of just a counter pick.
PsychoSoldier
Banned
I can't remember if was against Combofiend or PR Rog, but like two rounds in a row he won off a counter and an Ultra.
so nuts.
Imo meter should be used more for the team hypers that take away all "red health" of the character being hit. Or at least combo into hyper since even that generates no healable health from those hits.
A lot of players seem to be burning meter on bad combos.
I'm probably wrong.
Either way, I also think it should be 2vs2. 1vs1 so far is zzzzz.
A lot of players seem to be burning meter on bad combos.
I'm probably wrong.
Either way, I also think it should be 2vs2. 1vs1 so far is zzzzz.
Shouta
Member
Nope, you're not wrong at all. Lots of them were burning meters for switch combos which don't really do very good damage compared to some of the stuff you can do with a single character. At least that's true for the Tekken side. The Street Fighter side needs a little more switching to dish more damage but fewer switches and bigger hits would help a lot more.
Ragingnight
Member
easy possible solutions
animations need to stop timers
add 20-30 more real time seconds
more time recovering health
possibly more meter gain for things like alpha counter (so jab pressure isn't so dominant and auto-pilot).
animations need to stop timers
add 20-30 more real time seconds
more time recovering health
possibly more meter gain for things like alpha counter (so jab pressure isn't so dominant and auto-pilot).
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
To be honest a lot of the online players are better at sf x tekken than the stuff I was seeing for the most part at NCR. A few people are getting the right ideas though, floe for one I can tell the game is clicking for him.
Gem implementation.
CookedChocobo
Member
Like really. Who cares if (U)MVC3 way less balanced than STXT, it's still fun to play and spectate.
The craziness, randomness, comebacks, fancy combos, innovative set-ups, and even dropped combos in clutch moments make UMVC3 exciting to spectate.
I like STXT and find it fun to play right now, but the lack of character variety and combo variety made NCRT10's STXT tourney boring to watch outside of a few Chris G and Floe matches.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Combofiend for instance never did julia's max damage tag in combo. He just did the one that was easier but it has more hits so it scales really bad
what to many rufus or ryus? This is about on par with marvel in character variety
what to many rufus or ryus? This is about on par with marvel in character varietyGems make SFxT 10x better. It's just a shame the setup is the way it is.
I would actually argue UMvC3 is one of the most balanced games ever created. (setting aside Level 3 X-Factor.) The fact that almost every character can just obliterate you somehow is awesome.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Problem is some of the other characters need xfactor as anchor to be anchor material
I 95% agree with you, but there is some really stupid shit. It will be banned in tourney play once gems are allowed anyways so no biggie
No .Then people just alpha counter everything. Plenty of meter if it isn't wasted on 50pt switch cancels.
Yes on the timer freeze for supers and the cross super.
Rice-Eater
Member
So no Japanese shows up for the first SFxT major and a foreigner still takes it. Well congrats to Infiltration. It looks like the trip over here was worth it for him and Laugh. I thought he and Laugh were apart of Ryan Hart's new team Western Wolves(which is a affiliate of Low Land Lions) but they didn't carry the tag with them.
And I see that the game isn't sounding too popular from the spectator point of view. I don't know how or if they can fix that. I definitely think the game is fun and a lot of people like playing it. This game will bring in 150+ regularly so it's not going to go away, so I hope something can be done to create more excitement for it.
And I see that the game isn't sounding too popular from the spectator point of view. I don't know how or if they can fix that. I definitely think the game is fun and a lot of people like playing it. This game will bring in 150+ regularly so it's not going to go away, so I hope something can be done to create more excitement for it.
Gems (which aren't being used at these things) make the game so much better. If the selection process wasn't such a pain, they would be using them and things could be very different. Throw on some power gems for that damage or use some meter gems for that alpha counter. I agree that the game needs about 30 extra seconds on the clock though.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
They should just default every char 3 damage gems. =P
Ragingnight
Member
The problem is DLC gems.
I honestly don't think gems will change that much unless the time issue is addressed.
Also when I said more meter gain, i meant a slight meter gain. Not something where you're always rocking 2/3 bars at any point of the fight.
Rice-Eater
Member
I would actually be all for this.
It really feels like EX moves cost too much meter right now. :-/
CookedChocobo
Member
Yeah broski. The fact that almost any character can be feasible in competitive play with the right team synergy is pretty dope.
The fact that certain top tier characters are easier to play than most of the cast and the unfair x-factor lvl3 comebacks (especially those done with characters who require no effort to do it with) is kinda off putting.
Ragingnight
Member
It would benefit heavy hitting characters more than zoning/pressure characters. Hugo can already do 500 dmg meterless and 700 with meter. Do you really think he needs a boost in dmg considering a good portion of the cast has only 900 health?
Well by that logic, gems shouldn't even be in the game. Just remove them and increase the overall damage. All that does is turn it into more of a 1 touch kill game.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
People need to learn to dash cancel specials to charge meter in the times it's safe too as well
Shouta
Member
Some characters build meter quick though like Law. He builds meter like crazy off his Fury Fist Rush. He literally drowns in it. It makes his damage potential really high too. I can get a 500 damage combo for every 3rd cr.mp or cr.mk I connect with.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Part of me wants SFxTK to succeed simply because it's unpopular with spectators. I don't even care about the game itself.
Screw that I´m running Chun-Li and Cammy . Damage gems are meaningless but the fortitude and defense gems are life savers. Ex donkey kick ? 100 pts off the follow up.
I'm an expert
Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
You're a part of the problem, man!!
Frank "Trashman" Reynolds
Banned
I've already went over why SFxT is ass in the SFxT thread, but I guess you guys can add that it's horrible to watch people play to the list. Floe had a few worthy moments at NCR, but besides that SFxT was boremania.
GhostRidah
Member
check out the fgtv stream for some hype matches between Floe and CJ, CJ using a bum phoenix and popping off at floe lol
Rice-Eater
Member
Just finished watching SFxT finals at NCR. Man Infiltration just bodied everybody free. Especially Chris "I thought this game was 1v1" G. And lol at Weirdo Neo for taunting the crowd with the Korean flag and doing the Juri belly dance at the end. I didn't even realized he was there.
wonder why chris g changed his line up when it was working better before. is he letting all the people who hate zoning get to him? if he likes playing that way then fuck anybody that doesn't like it. my player rep got destroyed on xbox live because idiots would leave negative feedback because they hated zoning but that didn't make me change my style.
Lost Fragment
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Marvel's a fun game and it's more entertaining to watch than SFxT by far. But saying that Marvel is a good competitive game ranks right up there with such blatant falsehoods as "the sky is green" and "Rick Santorum would be a good president."
I kinda laugh whenever a big tournament is going on and the commentators mention all the "upsets" that have happened in Marvel. "People are really stepping their games up!" they tend to say. Right. It's totally that, and totally not because Marvel is random enough that, once you get to a certain point, those fools might as well be playing dice.
SFxT has problems for sure and it's definitely not as spectator-friendly as Marvel, but I think the idea that it's not as good of a competitive game as Marvel is kinda funny.
I kinda laugh whenever a big tournament is going on and the commentators mention all the "upsets" that have happened in Marvel. "People are really stepping their games up!" they tend to say. Right. It's totally that, and totally not because Marvel is random enough that, once you get to a certain point, those fools might as well be playing dice.
SFxT has problems for sure and it's definitely not as spectator-friendly as Marvel, but I think the idea that it's not as good of a competitive game as Marvel is kinda funny.