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[RavenFox]

Such a sad cover art. Hate when little girls have to suffer.
Motivation to kick all ass in this game.
Wait, was this to evoke these feelings??

 

[danmaku]

Little girls? They are robots, you even see them dismantled in some of the artworks. BTW, the new cover art sucks, the old one was way better.

 

[manzo]

Such a sad cover art. Hate when little girls have to suffer.
Motivation to kick all ass in this game.
Wait, was this to evoke these feelings??

I think it's more meant for the gothic lolita type otakus.

Oh well, I don't know. :lol

 

[drohne]

I think it's more meant for the gothic lolita type otakus.

Oh well, I don't know. :lol

seriously

when japanese nerds see little girls in distress they're like

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Aww, man. Your avatar was my favorite thing ever. Did you get a new one that was NSFW, or did somebody decide after many many months that it was suddenly NSFW? /derail

It was the same old one. I did not think it was NSFW, someone very sensible may have reported it. Since I cannot appeal GAF, it looks that I will have to carry the "mark".

Shame, because the image was great and not NSFW IMO.

 

[Jonnyram]

Looks like Feb 19 is the release date now :hyper

 

[adversesolutions]

Looks like Feb 19 is the release date now :hyper

:yellow flash
:chain x4

Yeah, I'm hella hyped. Hopefully there'll be a few DLCs like gamer icons or a theme or something. Hopefully for free too given how long we've had to wait.

 

[adversesolutions]

No new info in the new Famitsu...

Maybe in 360 Famitsu. Anybody got scans?

 

[Yes Boss!]

Good news!

Play-asia is now preparing Dodonpachi Black Label EX orders. The long wait finally is over!

Check your orders.

They are also preparing Shooting Love 200X (not sure if anybody cares about that one :lol )

 

[MadmanUK]

Woop, mines preparing now too. Hope this turns up unlike my ThunderForceVI.

 

[adversesolutions]

Friend picked this up at a store that sells early today. So I should be able to get a copy tomorrow.

 

[neo2046]

Promotion video Part 1 (short ver + long ver)
http://5pb.jp/games/div2/ddpdojblex/media_movie.html
youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thJQ0V9v--c

X mode play movie
http://5pb.jp/games/div2/ddpdojblex/media_xmovie.html

 

[adversesolutions]

Picture of the package and the guidebook. Guidebook btw doesn't have any crazy art or anything, just a stage by stage breakdown. I'll post some impressions after playing a bit.

 

[danmaku]

Sweet! How about the new ex-mode? Worth the purchase even if I already have the PS2 port?

 

[adversesolutions]

Answer is basically no in my opinion.

Why?

See my posts here:

http://www.cave-stg.com/forum/index.php?topic=434.50

This game has PROBLEMS. : /

 

[Yes Boss!]

This game has PROBLEMS. : /

So, the major issue seems to be the lengthy loading?

Also, I asked in the other Cave thread but nobody answered. Would getting DoDonPachi Dai Jou for the Japanese PS2 be overkill if I've got the new 360 version coming? Just thinking about getting it before it falls out-of-print.

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

Yikes that sounds pretty bad.

 

[manzo]

Answer is basically no in my opinion.

Why?

See my posts here:

http://www.cave-stg.com/forum/index.php?topic=434.50

This game has PROBLEMS. : /

Just the loading?

I don't see a problem there. I didn't mind Mushihimesama's insane loading on PS2, so who cares.

 

[Jonnyram]

Yeah, the Famitsu review mentioned the loading times so it must be bad
I wasn't gonna get this just yet anyway as it's a bit hard for me. Will probably just get Shooting Love this week (alongside SO4, of course).

 

[Kaibutsu]

Gah! It's killing me that the japanese 360 is THE shooter system and I can't play any of them because of stupid region locking

 

[manzo]

Gah! It's killing me that the japanese 360 is THE shooter system and I can't play any of them because of stupid region locking

You know, the JP 360's aren't some odd rarity in the world. You can just buy one from Play-Asia, NCSX, Yesasia, Renchi etc.

 

[Kaibutsu]

You know, the JP 360's aren't some odd rarity in the world. You can just buy one from Play-Asia, NCSX, Yesasia, Renchi etc.

yeah, but I can't bring myself to buy another 360. Since I'm on my fifth US 360 and all.... The funny thing is I've never had any problems buying multiple systems in the past to play Japanese games, i.e) dreamcast and ps2 but I'll be damned if I'll buy a 2nd system that very likely will die within a year

 

[Yes Boss!]

yeah, but I can't bring myself to buy another 360. Since I'm on my fifth US 360 and all.... The funny thing is I've never had any problems buying multiple systems in the past to play Japanese games, i.e) dreamcast and ps2 but I'll be damned if I'll buy a 2nd system that very likely will die within a year

Wow that is bad luck. I have three 360s and they've all been fine, including one from launch 2005. I just take extreme caution to keep everything ventilated and raise the adapter off the ground.

Also, NCSX has the new chipset arcade units for $300...really not that bad if you realize it will let you play the 8 shooters exclusive to the box.

 

[danmaku]

Good to hear that at least they nailed down the game basics (patterns, slowdowns...). Too bad for the lack of polish, but hopefully they'll improve with Ketsui. Maybe the delay was a good thing, after all.

 

[Mamesj]

a Japanese 360 can't be too expensive, can it?

if Xseed doesn't bring these over, I'd consider buying one.

 

[shuri]

stupid region locking!

 

[iconoclast]

As long as loading is the only issue, I'm fine with it. Now to wait until I can afford a japanese 360.

 

[Bebpo]

Damnit. This sounds terrible.

I mean it was pretty iffy giving the ports to 5bp who do DATING TEXT ADVENTURES and the awful programming issues seem to show they are not capable of porting Cave shmups.

Honestly I don't care about DDP because I have the PS2 version and this is 96% identical in content, but this means Ketsui, which is finally getting a home port will be getting a shit port. WTF. This makes me angry beyond belief.

I hope this is the reason Cave is doing Death Smiles themselves. Maybe they saw 5bp's progress on the ports and did not approve. That would mean all future X360 cave ports would be done by Cave in-house which has to be better than by 5bp.

 

[Quixzlizx]

You know, the JP 360's aren't some odd rarity in the world. You can just buy one from Play-Asia, NCSX, Yesasia, Renchi etc.

Rewarding a company for doing something you don't like is counterproductive.

 

[adversesolutions]

Damnit. This sounds terrible.

I mean it was pretty iffy giving the ports to 5bp who do DATING TEXT ADVENTURES and the awful programming issues seem to show they are not capable of porting Cave shmups.

Honestly I don't care about DDP because I have the PS2 version and this is 96% identical in content, but this means Ketsui, which is finally getting a home port will be getting a shit port. WTF. This makes me angry beyond belief.

I hope this is the reason Cave is doing Death Smiles themselves. Maybe they saw 5bp's progress on the ports and did not approve. That would mean all future X360 cave ports would be done by Cave in-house which has to be better than by 5bp.

Yeah, not optimistic for Ketsui at the moment. Deathsmiles should be awesome though.

You know, the thing is that 5pb can actually PORT the games, it seems. They just make super heavy and counter-intuitive menus that screw the whole experience up.

 

[Bebpo]

Yeah, not optimistic for Ketsui at the moment. Deathsmiles should be awesome though.

You know, the thing is that 5pb can actually PORT the games, it seems. They just make super heavy and counter-intuitive menus that screw the whole experience up.

I dunno. That thread on the other forum indicates the port itself has timing and bug issues as well. So there are issues with the actual port + issues with all the interface stuff.

 

[duckroll]

Is it just loading though? From the sounds of things in that thread, it's not just terrible menu loading, but the game's timing and patterns seem to have been messed with. If that's true there's no way this is even worth supporting in any way.

 

[Aaron]

Menus aren't in TATE? WTF, did they even test this game? Sounds awful.

 

[Tain]

I guess it's really a high bar to expect these ports to be as good as Arika's. Still, you'd think that they could have taken a direct full-blown emulation approach or something and not a weird buggy approximation with fucked up chaining. Really disappointing, from the sound of it.

I mean it was pretty iffy giving the ports to 5bp who do DATING TEXT ADVENTURES and the awful programming issues seem to show they are not capable of porting Cave shmups.

5pb asked for the games. Cave wasn't actively looking to port them.

 

[adversesolutions]

Just FYI, I have not encountered major chaining issues. I think the port itself is really good.

 

[sixteen-bit]

if i had bought a jX360 for this i'd be feeling much buyers remorse

 

[Tain]

Just FYI, I have not encountered major chaining issues. I think the port itself is really good.

Overall, do you think there's any weight to the claims about "timing" being off?

I mean, you're noticing slight changes after a little bit of play. Do you think there could be some semi-drastic ones that will creep up in time?

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Rewarding a company for doing something you don't like is counterproductive.

It is not like MS started this region bs. They just followed the trend, probably under pressure from the publishers. MS does not gain anything from it, just the publishers. Kudos for Sony for breaking the tradition, let's hope the next generation will be all region free.

So in the end, if you like Japanese only games, you should buy a second system. Otherwise it will be your lost.

I am in my third USA system (actually 1 USA and 2 Brazilian) since MS Brazil does not repair systems, but provide a console change in case of fault, I am all good with it. And I have a Japanese and a PAL system for the other games (although those systems are not covered by any kind of warranty)

 

[duckroll]

It is not like MS started this region bs. They just followed the trend, probably under pressure from the publishers. MS does not gain anything from it, just the publishers. Kudos for Sony for breaking the tradition, let's hope the next generation will be all region free.

I think it might actually be MS Japan that's behind this region BS honestly. There are many 360 games that are in fact region free or multi-region, dependingly. Yet every single Japan release is region locked. 100%. It's hard to ignore that fact.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I think it might actually be MS Japan that's behind this region BS honestly. There are many 360 games that are in fact region free or multi-region, dependingly. Yet every single Japan release is region locked. 100%. It's hard to ignore that fact.

Huh?
Aren't the Japanese versions of Crackdown (Riot Act), Lost Planet Colonies, and and Street Fighter IV region free?

 

[duckroll]

Huh?
Aren't the Japanese versions of Crackdown (Riot Act), Lost Planet Colonies, and and Street Fighter IV region free?

Really? I wasn't aware of that. I guess I didn't pay attention to those games.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Really? I wasn't aware of that. I guess I didn't pay attention to those games.

i don't blame you

except SF4, i mean goddamn

game of the decade right there.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

Ace Combat is also region free. That is up to the developers to lock the game, I guess the standard practice is to lock the game in the expectation some western publisher picks the game (more profit) which they probably won't do if the game was region free at start (less sales). You can see that region-free games are from big publishers that releases the games in all territories.

 

[Tain]

A better statement is that every Japan-exclusive game is locked.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

A better statement is that every Japan-exclusive game is locked.

again, I suspect that this is related to the expectation of licensing the game to a western publisher.

 

[suffah]

Reading the impressions so far I'm glad I didn't pre-order this. Even with all the delays I can't believe the game was released like this.

 

[manzo]

Is it just loading though? From the sounds of things in that thread, it's not just terrible menu loading, but the game's timing and patterns seem to have been messed with. If that's true there's no way this is even worth supporting in any way.

OK, NOW I'm getting worried. My order is already being prepared, so too late to cancel.

At least I always have the PS2 DaiOuJou to fall back if all else fails.

 

[Augemitbutter]

yeah, but I can't bring myself to buy another 360. Since I'm on my fifth US 360 and all.... The funny thing is I've never had any problems buying multiple systems in the past to play Japanese games, i.e) dreamcast and ps2 but I'll be damned if I'll buy a 2nd system that very likely will die within a year

all there is to say. impressions dont do anything good either.

 

[Quixzlizx]

again, I suspect that this is related to the expectation of licensing the game to a western publisher.

Yeah, western publishers are just lining up to grab shmups.

 

[adversesolutions]

Overall, do you think there's any weight to the claims about "timing" being off?

I mean, you're noticing slight changes after a little bit of play. Do you think there could be some semi-drastic ones that will creep up in time?

No, I have had no issues with timing. Then again, I can only full chain stages 1 and 2 (and 2 only on a good day). Stage 3 is beyond me, and 4 I always lost the chain when the tanks start coming in, so...hard to say. I have to wonder if the second loop is tuned well enough for the real monsters at this game.

More significant: I'm not sure leaderboards work in this game at all. Gonna wait a few days until official release to make a verdict but...