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Official Glory of Heracles Thread of Hercules
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Dragona Akehi
Retired
Hero of Legend said:
I'm going to hurt you.
It will not be over quickly.
Adam Blade
WWKC
The Greek names are so much better than the Roman knockoffs anyhow.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
John Harker said:
I'm not far into either, but I'm liking Sands of Destruction a bit more. Though, I think that's mostly a taste thing. Greek mythology always bored me (I'm more into the Norse stuff) so that's definitely affecting my opinion even if it is presented in a typical anime fashion.
Very brief impressions so far:
(10:29:10 PM) Mejilan: Actually kinda digging Heracles so far.
(10:29:19 PM) Mejilan: Battles move at a nice clip, and have some cool features.
(10:29:45 PM) Mejilan: And you gotta appreciate a game that throws out a funny Zelda reference right from the get go... and chucks you into a 5 member party within 6 or so minutes of starting.
(10:30:05 PM) Mejilan: Though I'm sure 3 of 'em won't last long.
(10:30:35 PM) Mejilan: "Overkilling" enemies for bonus MPs is always fun.
(10:30:57 PM) Mejilan: Seems to be a ton of passive skills to fuck around with.
(10:31:14 PM) Mejilan: From shit that boosts your evade chances, your counter chances, to more active passive skills that trigger under certain battle conditions.
(10:31:43 PM) Mejilan: Such as Leucos' rather evil ability to take a free turn to go in for a kill whenever another party member brings a monster to the brink.
(10:31:52 PM) Mejilan: She'll jump in and do that, then proceed to take her own turn.
(10:33:08 PM) Mejilan: In the opening forest, I've already encountered something like 8 unique enemies, with many of them dropping all kinds of loot, including what will probably shape up to be fodder for some kind of item construction/weapons forging mechanic.
(10:33:19 PM) Mejilan: Her gender is somewhat dubious. Haha.
(10:33:33 PM) Mejilan: Pretty sure she's a girl though.
Done for the night, I think. But it's very promising, so far. I love big parties. I love tactical turn based battles. I love loot and item construction. I love managing spells, active skills, and passive skills. The MP/Ether mechanics seems interesting as well. Playing as a band of immortals can only be fun!
(10:29:10 PM) Mejilan: Actually kinda digging Heracles so far.
(10:29:19 PM) Mejilan: Battles move at a nice clip, and have some cool features.
(10:29:45 PM) Mejilan: And you gotta appreciate a game that throws out a funny Zelda reference right from the get go... and chucks you into a 5 member party within 6 or so minutes of starting.
(10:30:05 PM) Mejilan: Though I'm sure 3 of 'em won't last long.
(10:30:35 PM) Mejilan: "Overkilling" enemies for bonus MPs is always fun.
(10:30:57 PM) Mejilan: Seems to be a ton of passive skills to fuck around with.
(10:31:14 PM) Mejilan: From shit that boosts your evade chances, your counter chances, to more active passive skills that trigger under certain battle conditions.
(10:31:43 PM) Mejilan: Such as Leucos' rather evil ability to take a free turn to go in for a kill whenever another party member brings a monster to the brink.
(10:31:52 PM) Mejilan: She'll jump in and do that, then proceed to take her own turn.
(10:33:08 PM) Mejilan: In the opening forest, I've already encountered something like 8 unique enemies, with many of them dropping all kinds of loot, including what will probably shape up to be fodder for some kind of item construction/weapons forging mechanic.
(10:33:19 PM) Mejilan: Her gender is somewhat dubious. Haha.
(10:33:33 PM) Mejilan: Pretty sure she's a girl though.
Done for the night, I think. But it's very promising, so far. I love big parties. I love tactical turn based battles. I love loot and item construction. I love managing spells, active skills, and passive skills. The MP/Ether mechanics seems interesting as well. Playing as a band of immortals can only be fun!
Freyjadour
Member
John Harker said:
Check out my impressions in the Sands thread for my opinion, but the short and sweet is that the combat in the game is obnoxiously broken. And that's not just an opinion or feeling. Music/Graphics are nice.
Due to the fact that this game has a battle system that makes a decent amount of sense, I'd recommend this over Sands and advise you to find a copy of the Sands OST instead.
Improvements over the JP version that I can recall (there were quite a few):
- Opening intro is less grainy
- Battles are 2 to 3 times faster (maybe more)
- Can cut down battle magic animations significantly w/ "Brief" option
- Can hold "A" during battle animation to increase the speed of the battle even more
- Can set entire party AI to "Auto" at once rather than one member at a time (press "Select" when choosing your party's moves)
- Can reset the camera in towns (minor but helpful if you use the map a lot)
Umm... There's definitely more, but that's what I remember off the top of my head.
It's WAY more playable than the JP version IMO. The battles were unbearably slow before, but they're nice and brisk now.
- Opening intro is less grainy
- Battles are 2 to 3 times faster (maybe more)
- Can cut down battle magic animations significantly w/ "Brief" option
- Can hold "A" during battle animation to increase the speed of the battle even more
- Can set entire party AI to "Auto" at once rather than one member at a time (press "Select" when choosing your party's moves)
- Can reset the camera in towns (minor but helpful if you use the map a lot)
Umm... There's definitely more, but that's what I remember off the top of my head.
It's WAY more playable than the JP version IMO. The battles were unbearably slow before, but they're nice and brisk now.
Bloodworth
Member
Glad to see you haven't changed too much.Dragona Akehi said:
Okay, I think I'll just deal with it. My luck has already dropped two or three times, and I don't think I'll be able to avoid the temptation of looking at furniture moving forward. :lolKishgal said:
4 hours in now, it's fun. Movement on the overworld could stand to be faster, but it's bearable. Battles are entertaining though I haven't messed around with skills much, mostly just focusing on magic and abilities. I'm going into the first real dungeon now, we'll see how things go!
Also, the save anywhere feature is greatly appreciated.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
You know, I can't help but wish Newton and Toot were in this game.
Awesome.
The text in general is pretty funny. I've chuckled quite a few times. I don't remember the Japanese game being this humorous, but it has been a while.
And I really must say... I'm completely shocked at how much faster the battles are. John TV wasn't kidding when he said "2-3 times faster." Bare minimum. The game is so much more enjoyable now.
Kishgal said:
Awesome.
The text in general is pretty funny. I've chuckled quite a few times. I don't remember the Japanese game being this humorous, but it has been a while.
And I really must say... I'm completely shocked at how much faster the battles are. John TV wasn't kidding when he said "2-3 times faster." Bare minimum. The game is so much more enjoyable now.
I... I cannot imagine a game with battles more than 2-3 times slower.
It was awful. And that's why I don't know a single person who finished the Japanese game. :\Mejilan said:
I'm really happy about this, because I'm a fan of the Heracles series and I liked most everything else about this game before. It just wasn't very playable to me. I'm really excited to finally go through this game.
Poor thread.
I'm already almost up to where I quit in the Japanese version, and I feel like it has taken me half as long to do it. My opinion of the game has really improved considerably thanks to the changes, now that I've been able to appreciate other aspects of the game without getting annoyed at how long battles are taking. It really does feel like a Heracles game after all.
I'm already almost up to where I quit in the Japanese version, and I feel like it has taken me half as long to do it. My opinion of the game has really improved considerably thanks to the changes, now that I've been able to appreciate other aspects of the game without getting annoyed at how long battles are taking. It really does feel like a Heracles game after all.
Hours Left
Member
Picked this up yesterday but haven't started yet. I've got a metric ton of RPGs that have been waiting to be played first but I'm intrigued. Maybe tomorrow...
My only complaint so far is that it doesn't seem like you can set specific actions for auto battle. I have everyone set up for offense/normal/melee, but then Hero will throw a Byrnge at one half-dead enemy. :/ So "auto-battling" tends to be me hitting A until everyone is set to attack.
Money is just starting to become a concern after not selling anything to this point. At least if I want to max out all my alchemy/blacksmithing.
Money is just starting to become a concern after not selling anything to this point. At least if I want to max out all my alchemy/blacksmithing.
robotzombie
Member
Does anyone who's played the Japanese version, or enough of this version know if there are any major permanent missables in this game? I want to be able to play this game at my leisure and relax with it and I don't feel like waiting for a guide, but I hate missing out on a secret character/ultimate weapon/what have you because I didn't speak to old man A in town X before event Y while equipped with X
abstract alien
Member
This battle tutorial is going to be the death of me...
abstract alien
Member
After getting out of that terrible forest section in the very beginning, this game has picked up considerably. At first, the battle menu was a bit awkward for me(dont know why), but its definitely feeling much more fluid, and battles are increasingly brisk because of it. Man, this game has some great animations, and it really does a wonderful job of showing "impact". Im really enjoying it right now, but two things are bugging the shit out of me.
- Why does every damn thing slow down when you press the A button? Who thought that was a good idea, and how did it escape Q/A not once, but twice?
-The amount of tutorial is pretty annoying. Do I really need to be told how to open a damn door? Must a battle really come to a grinding halt so that I can be told what it means to be poisoned?
If those two things would disappear, I would be a happy man. Well, Id be even more happy.
- Why does every damn thing slow down when you press the A button? Who thought that was a good idea, and how did it escape Q/A not once, but twice?
-The amount of tutorial is pretty annoying. Do I really need to be told how to open a damn door? Must a battle really come to a grinding halt so that I can be told what it means to be poisoned?
If those two things would disappear, I would be a happy man. Well, Id be even more happy.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
abstract alien
Member
"Serious as a staring contest with Medusa"
SilverLunar
Member
Turn off the advice option.abstract alien said:
I must agree that the game has some excelent writing, it really does affect the enjoyment aspect of the game in a positive way of course! good job! Which was the complete oppesite for a game like Nostalgia, I am a forien English speaker, I didn't get my English major yet, but the writing in that game is ...something a beginner in English would appreciate, not me.
I eventually dropped it.
Freyjadour
Member
Kishgal said:Poor thread.
I'm already almost up to where I quit in the Japanese version, and I feel like it has taken me half as long to do it. My opinion of the game has really improved considerably thanks to the changes, now that I've been able to appreciate other aspects of the game without getting annoyed at how long battles are taking. It really does feel like a Heracles game after all.
Good to hear. I'll probably look into picking this up after all then, if for no other reason than the team behind this translation decided on excellence over laziness.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
How is that a positive? His gaming credits is pretty much a who's who list of the most idiotic stories in japanese games.Kagari said:
I've never really thought of him as a great scenario writer, but he has written some pretty memorable dialog (which doesn't always come through in translation, unfortunately). His Heracles stories are much more... grounded than his Square stuff, though. Heracles 3 has a pretty cool story, in my opinion. As for this game, the plot isn't all that special yet, but it does have potential.grandjedi6 said:
abstract alien
Member
Where in blazes is this at? I expected there to be one, but never found it in the options menu :lolSilverLunar said:
Yeah, the writing has really been a highlight for me so far. The characters really play off each other well. Heracles' laughter is becoming contagious. :lolSilverLunar said:
I'm about 15 hours in now, been taking every opportunity to play this weekend. Did I read somewhere that this runs around 30 hours or so?
Yet another 7 review up at Nintendo Life.
SilverLunar
Member
Ok i checked myself and didn't see it either, I swear I saw an option at the begining if i want to keep the advice on or not, but i can't find it now, or did i confuse it with the camera assist?? this is weird!abstract alien said:
abstract alien
Member
Yeah, I really couldn't fine one honestly. I checked just about every menu in my search, but never came up with anything. Perhaps it was an option at the beginning, and in my frustration, I skipped over it after mashing through the tutorials?SilverLunar said: