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(ONM) Senran Kagura Burst is damaging the industry - here's how to stop it

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BY2K

Membero Americo
Coxy said:
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Too generous in fact
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Wow, they're full of themselves...
 
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Niitris

Member
Wow they're making a bigger deal out of this than they need to.

*Nintendo Wii*

I wonder if this carries over to the 3ds lol.
 
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koutoru

Member
Why do people feel the need to be stupid on twitter (especially when representing larger organizations)? Its been happening a lot recently.
 
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Eusis

Member
koutoru said:
Why do people feel the need to be stupid on twitter? Its been happening a lot recently.
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It's like a chat that's logged and chronicled for the whole internet to see. You say dumb off the cuff stuff and it's just THERE forever. Unless you actually go and delete it before someone screencaps it anyway.
 
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MilkBeard

Member
SmokyDave said:
I find it patronising that women are assumed to get hung up over idealised body images to a degree that nobody ever expects from men. It's as if there's some unspoken assumption that women are inherently insecure and suggestible.
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There is a lot of 'white knighting' going on with this kind of coverage lately. I have found myself getting caught up in this, but we have to think to ourselves: Is it bad for the industry to let people make games that they want to make, and games that people want to buy?

Instead of attacking games like Senran Kagura Burst, we should be supporting the development of games that help include women as the targeted audience in the ways suggested. The problem won't be fixed by limiting people, but by expanding the breadth of what is offered (in a reasonable way, anyway).

This is of course a complicated subject, and I don't mind if some outlets, for example, Nintendo Feed or whatever it was, doesn't want to support it. That's their right I suppose.
It makes it complicated when you have something like gaming, which is considered 'for everyone,' and so when something arises like SKB, people react negatively as if it's the first time they are exposed to something of that nature. But then you have something like the porn industry, which has a flavor for every person under the sun, that is allowed by law of course. I know that's an extreme example but it's all about people's perception. There are issues with gaming like there are issues with the movie industry, and I'm not saying that people should turn a blind eye when something like this comes along, but I just find it interesting how people pick and choose what they react to.
 
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MilkBeard

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I don't really like how the article holds up the 'feminist' flag and attempts to continue to further associate 'feminists' with 'getting outraged at things.'

Being a feminist means that you consider the feminine perspective and how they are portrayed, yes, but it's almost kind of worthless when you are talking about a piece of entertainment that is purposefully aimed at lusty males (or females as well). In that sense, I do consider myself a feminist, in the sense that I take the time to evaluate how women are portrayed, simply by themselves or in comparison to males. The kind of constructive criticism is meant to evaluate how women are treated in common and well accepted pieces of works, like for example, in a Hemingway novel. There are many discussions like that, and it is true that that kind of advanced discussion is definitely lacking in the video game community, but it would be better served to look at games that take themselves seriously, like for example, how women are portrayed in Zelda, Mario, Call of Duty, etc. In a way, Anita Sarkeesian has already been tackling this topic, and we have also the male perspectives on the issue like Jim Sterling and Bob Chipman.

The point I guess is to not be asleep to everything that happens, but then wake up and get enraged about one particular hot topic, and then fall back into obliviousness. Manufactured rage also tends to have the opposite effect, by giving attention to the game or topic in the wrong way.

That being said, I'm not particularly trying to defend Senran Kagura Burst, I think it's stupid, personally. But this article screams of a guy just trying to jump on the righteous bandwagon, throwing around percentages and general statements that don't actually help the topic at hand.
 
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Gbraga

Member
If those kinds of articles actually do help the sales, anyone who decides to localize To Love-Ru Darkness: Battle Ecstasy might be sitting on a gold mine.

Please localize it.
 
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gngf123

Member
I'm liking these stop censorship avatars aha. I'm not normally one for fanservicey anime girl avatars but I kind of want one.
 
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pariah164

Member
Consider this my addition to the cause. Because I loved Code of Princess. It was awesome.

Aaaand it figures that GAF is messing up and not loading it. it should be this:

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Danny Dudekisser

Danny Dudekisser

I paid good money for this Dynex!
The Grim Heaper said:
Oh good, some more.





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I find it a little disheartening that in the same week that we had that one Indiestatik guy being a general piece of shit, these guys are still crusading over this complete non-issue. You'd hope the actual damaging sexism would put this sort of whining into perspective, but apparently not. Apparently it's better to cry wolf, so that when an actually bad thing happens, nobody really gives a shit anymore.

Fucking pathetic.
 
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FlyingSaucer

Banned
Semi-necro bump. While not an official anwser to the ONM article, TinyCartridge took the time to sit down and have some words with Hatsuu about the series.

In fact, she explained, the characters are “three-dimensional” young women. “In-game, they don’t go spelling it out in flashing lights or present obvious strong female clichés you see in Western movies like that one scene where a woman is suddenly knocking some one-note sexist dude upside the head to prove how badass she is along with a couple one-liners. It’s just this variety of great girls being who they are for the sake of being who they are.
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“What I mean in the end is really look at these girls,” she said. “This is the kind of variety you want in a game with an almost all-female cast! Look at all the weaknesses and strengths they have. Isn’t that kind of great? Isn’t that the kind of stuff we’ve been looking for in our female characters?”
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Ironically, she notes, by decrying the game’s focus on boobs and ignoring the other facets of the characters, critics are themselves objectifying the characters. “It does get frustrating, because isn’t obsessively focusing on the idea that the girls in Burst are nothing more than breasts the complete opposite of what those who are against games that feature one-dimensional females or females completely second to their male leads are working to accomplish?
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Precisely what I found so ironically amusing with people who shallowly criticize the series its image yet haven't played it.
 
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InFamousRaiden

Banned
SmokyDave said:
I find it patronising that women are assumed to get hung up over idealised body images to a degree that nobody ever expects from men. It's as if there's some unspoken assumption that women are inherently insecure and suggestible.
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E3 is over, gotta keep something in the loop to write "teh professional game journalist openioON" about.
 
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