Ono said twice (once on the stage and once again on that tweet) that it is running on PS4. So I assume you are saying Ono is lying.
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Ono tweets picture of Deep Down running on PS4
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Ono said twice (once on the stage and once again on that tweet) that it is running on PS4. So I assume you are saying Ono is lying.
I'm expecting Capcom to come short of a video running "real-time" when it comes to gameplay. No way the animation will be that good.
You mean like ND cutscene?
I am saying I do not believe.
Of all the things shown that day this was the only one that raised doubts in my mind.
Yeah, pretty much.
SolidSnakex
Member
The animation can absolutely be that good. Capcom is very much one of the companies that's willing to give up player control for animation priority. Look at the Monster Hunter games. They're built entirely around that concept. Now the animation there obviously isn't as advanced (which isn't surprising since it's still heavily based on PS2 tech), but it shows that they aren't afraid of going that route. We don't see that type of high quality animation because companies are afraid to take control away from the player.
SniperHunter
Banned
I don't see what's so impressive in the demo, two NPC's, one dragon and enclosed environment. Yea the animations are all mo-capped and won't be that good in game for sure (except for the dragon)
Lol from fucking team CG no way I am agreeing with you nut cases.
Have at it, looks like a blurry screenshot to me.
It could be running on the PS4 now, but does it look as good as what was shown onstage?
I hope you're right because it's impressive, but I'll remain skeptical until I see gameplay.
We know Agni's Philosophy is real time. And frankly, I think it's much more impressive than Deep Down. So yeah, I don't get the skeptics on this one.
I think you guys should watch it again. This is confirmed as real time.
gaming_noob
Member
Hype!
This is what I miss the last few years. Genuine developer excitement and lots of teases.
This is what I miss the last few years. Genuine developer excitement and lots of teases.
I'd say there's a difference between a tech demo ala QDs face thingy and one that demonstrates an actual game like scene.
The latter being alot closer than what to expect from real life gameplay.
shinobi602
Member
Don't understand why so many are skeptical of what was shown. I expect a ton of PS4 games to look that good in a few years.
Lawyer-ed.
My gripe is they tried to pass it off as gameplay when it was clearly not.
My crystal ball is kinda fuzzy, so I can't whether it will or will not happen.
To me it was head and shoulders above everything else shown that day.
He says he can move the camera but if the entire thing is just a predetermined real time cutscene without any underlying real time physics related component then it'll obviously look prettier than actual gameplay.
However, lest we forget what the devs been able to accomplish on outdated CPU+GPU+ <512MB RAM (256MB for GPU for PS3), in time, we shall reach the fidelity of what we saw in that tech demo during gameplay.
Another thing to remember is what was said by Suckerpunch about the inF SS footage, i.e. it was running real time (and the skin shader in that quasi open world game looked better than KZSF).
And lastly, PS4 has gone through some tremendous changes over the last year and so these tech demos are based on incomplete specs. In fact, I expect what we saw to run just as easily on XB3 come E3.
However, lest we forget what the devs been able to accomplish on outdated CPU+GPU+ <512MB RAM (256MB for GPU for PS3), in time, we shall reach the fidelity of what we saw in that tech demo during gameplay.
Another thing to remember is what was said by Suckerpunch about the inF SS footage, i.e. it was running real time (and the skin shader in that quasi open world game looked better than KZSF).
And lastly, PS4 has gone through some tremendous changes over the last year and so these tech demos are based on incomplete specs. In fact, I expect what we saw to run just as easily on XB3 come E3.
Did they say it's gameplay? I missed that part.
Unspeakable Evil
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Blanka is not even real.
SniperHunter
Banned
The main reason why the Deep Down demo was impressive was because of the animation, it looked like a movie. And honestly it reminded me of the White Knight Story trailer from TGS 2005
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdaVNj5dm8o
Look at dat animation, all mo-capped. Ni-no-kuni probably matches the animation though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdaVNj5dm8o
Look at dat animation, all mo-capped. Ni-no-kuni probably matches the animation though
The crappy hud they layered over to make it look like gameplay.
Uno Venova
Banned
I think even Killzone, 'wasn't gampley' to some until it was on Fallon.
I think you all are confused. Realtime would be nigh distinguishable from gameplay. NDs cutscenes are not real time, they are in-engine, albeit pre-rendered.
sono
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If you are like me you read this op and didnt understand it. I did some google. This may help: Deep down was a game demo shown by Capcom at Sony PS4 conference. A lot of comments were made on internet that it looked too good to be running on PS4 in game. Yoshinori Ono is the executive producer of Street fighter 4 at Capcom. The green troll in front of the screen I dont have an explanation unless it is relating to humour. I expect others will know. Am I getting close.
Yup.
Changing the camera means very little to me if it's still a tech demo instead of a full fledged game.
I think the people who said this is not realtime, got their words mixed up, I think they meant "this is not gameplay", which I do agree with. I'ts all realtime, but it's all a realtime cutscene, with just the option to move the camera around (no ai, physics and etc). Just look at Agni's Philosophy thats realtime too.
no the problem was the some people thought it was CG clip, not real-time cutscene.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Deep Down was far simpler in terms of numbers of assets and general scene complexity than SE's Agni real-time demo. The individual effects were more polished that's all.
Its totally doable. Lets not forget there's no game logic running, its an animation so its 90% GPU based.
Its totally doable. Lets not forget there's no game logic running, its an animation so its 90% GPU based.
A realtime cutscene would have physics though..
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It 100% was.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Can't wait to see Street Fighter V, Darkstalkers 4, and Powerstone 3 on this engine.
And Megaman
Poohblaster
Member
That's not a good comparison Resi 5 wasn't even a glimmer in Campcom's eye in 2001 and the next gen consoles were still 4 years away. If I saw the Resi 5 screenshot in 2005 yes I would believe it possible.
I'm not saying that Deep Down isn't running on a PS4. I'm just saying it's a bad comparison.
Unspeakable Evil
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Who?
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
"it doesn't look advanced enough"
"it can't be real, it must be CG / target render"
Next gen can't get a break. Total catch 22 situation.
"it can't be real, it must be CG / target render"
Next gen can't get a break. Total catch 22 situation.
Another point of contention is if this game turns out to be, Dragon's Dogma 2 (highly likely) then it'll be an open world game. I doubt as a first gen game it'll be able to present that kind of visuals for it on consoles (the difference between Oblivion and Skyrim on 360 is a good example).
If only game was half as good as it looked (specially true for RE6).
Besides Dragon's Dogma, have they made any good games recently (not JP exclusive or rehashes)?
Don't doubt Capcom.
You will look like fools.
If you saw this in 2001, would you think this was possible on console?
If only game was half as good as it looked (specially true for RE6).
Besides Dragon's Dogma, have they made any good games recently (not JP exclusive or rehashes)?
Don't doubt Capcom.
You will look like fools.
If you saw this in 2001, would you think this was possible on console?
Maybe.
I think people simply do not believe because they use current technology as standard what is possible and they scream CGI.
Thing is that Demo packed really nice tech that will be used in future games. Dragon fire is confirmed tech that they will implement in future games and that effect was alone beyond what is possible today.
Simply put that demo was just showcase of technology first then power and technology made that WOW effect.
