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That would cost billions. It doesn't make sense.
Yeah deffo a couple of bill. Would be a huge get though and definitely shift millions of consoles.
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That would cost billions. It doesn't make sense.
I agree, but with a small caveat. Hype is no just the huge marketing campaigns. It can be the simple word of mouth that happen naturally. I learned of Vampires survivors here on Neogaf. It was enough for me to try it. This needs to come from somewhere. And Xbox not pushing at all in Europe have consequences in that regard. But this is another discussion.I get it. System is a bit like PC where on Steam if you check most played games, most of them sound unknown. Yet have dedicated fanbase that keep playing day in and out.
This is in complete contrast to how PlayStation market it's games with huge upfront hype. Makes you interested in playing them.
Personally, not a big fan of getting hyped for a game. I don't judge a game till I start moving the stick.
As for their marketing being US centric, yes, that's true. That's what they choose to be. And I am ok with that. No company needs to market me anything.
I'll argue that Bioware was better when they were exclusive to Xbox 360. Mass Effect was a 100 times better game before the EA buyout. After that it was multiplatform watered down games so, no your argument doesn't hold water. Mass Effect 1 and 2 were the best in the 4 game series.My issue with acquisition is the talent suppression and only making games for a certain platform.
Rare was great before MS buy-out. But after that, they did their stuff and couldn't replicate their past.
Bethesda, bioware and cdpr made exclusive content to Xbox, which could have put them at risk of acquisition. We got Skyrim, fallout, witcher 3, cyberpunk 2077 and bioware games. All these games become huge due to multiplatform.
We wouldn't have gotten these great on other devices had MS acquired these studios early.
Now that MS bought Bethesda, we won't see those games on other platforms, since they will work on exclusive games.
It's a loss for gamers at the expanse of exclusive content.
That numbers are because of their primary business.
Shareholders agree with you.
They always had a high stake approach though, Xbox 1 lost money, and paid publishers a ton for better versions and free DLC, X360 spent billions course-correcting the RRoD which recent reports say they knew of early on; Xbox One had a butchered launch, also cost them quite a bit of money, then Xbox Series and the losing upt to $200 per console remarks.MS was always just an asterisk, never really a factor(Outside of the 7th gen, the only time they were truly competitive).
Thinking the same here, but the state of pc ports is kind of worrying me. If I spend 1500-2000 i want an experience without much compromise.If we're going with the mid-gen route again I'm just going to keep my Series X for the odd console-only GP game, and pick up a $1500-ish PC. I'm just tired of the console nonsense.
That being said I don't want a case that looks like I got it at a pride parade. Calm down on the RGB people.
Gaming peaked during COVID quarantines but has since shrunk in comparison. That was an artificial increaseThe quarterly revenue numbers, especially when compared with previous generations, can be very misleading. I'd personally not pay too much attention only to the revenue number, because:
Most importantly, we don't know the operating expenditure required to generate $16 billion of yearly Xbox revenue.
- The gaming industry itself has grown in terms of userbase, which means higher revenue generation after generation.
- Games have become more expensive.
- MTXs have become huge, leading to inflated revenue.
- More importantly, Xbox has increased its studios from 5 to 23. They combined the revenue of those 18 studios and added to Microsoft's balance sheet, including games with live-service elements and recurring revenue, e.g., Minecraft, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, etc.
That numbers are because of their primary business.
The overall business?
Including xbox right?
Not compared to 2020 or 2021. I was talking to 2006-2012, since the Xbox 360 days. The gaming industry has grown in the last 10-15 years.Gaming peaked during COVID quarantines but has since shrunk in comparison. That was an artificial increase
Not every division performs well in a successful company. Like how Sonys mobile division is vastly behind their gaming division for example.
Is that why sonys shares dropped so much?
Not necessarily. If a game is good, it can find a way to sell a lot of copies -- given that it has equal opportunities as other indie games (i.e., none of the games are on Game Pass or PS Plus day one).It’s scary but selling individual games honestly won’t work much longer unless you’re the biggest dev with the biggest IPs.
I never bought indie games in the past, I heard people talk about them but never bought anything besides a few hyped ones like Braid and The Witness. I simply played the biggest AAA games with the highest scores and skipped the rest. It was enough for my time and cost me enough.
And today I never buy indies because I get enough through Gamepass (and PS+ Premium because it’s very similar but rarely talked about), I don’t even buy AAA games unless I have to, if I can wait I know they’ll be on a subscription library,
The big difference now is that I now play small stuff like Loop Hero as well as the mid sized ones like Scorn and The Ascent and the huge ones with mid user reception like Wo Long. I play a ton of games. I think my 2022 stats on Xbox showed that I played like 90 titles or something like that.
Would I keep playing small indies and the mid sized games without high scores without Gamepass?
Nope.
I would just go back to what I did before and play Uncharted, Gears, Forza, GT etc and skip the rest. Would be enough for my time and would cost me enough.
So I see subscription libraries as an inevitable evolution, it’s what will keep anything less that AAA alive. It’s just like what has happened to TV Shows. When did you last buy a TV Show box? Maybe some early GOT season? When did you buy a TV Show box for a less hyped show? I have a shelf full of season boxes but it was many many years since I bought something now and less popular shows was never bought.
Would a TV Show outside of any streaming service even survive today? I doubt it. I know I wouldn’t watch it anyhow, probably wouldn’t even know it existed.
I think that’s where gaming is heading, like it or not, and it can’t be stopped.
The devs who don’t adapt and evolve will disappear. The big ones will survive because people will keep on buying the big 10/10 games, for awhile. The Tunic devs and similar small devs could survive with high enough scores on their games, but one wrong step and they’ll be gone, the masses won’t bother checking if the game is good, they’ll look at the scores and go nah.
With a subscription library more will check out your game, because there is no investment, it’s just a press of a button and some download time. Like I could say that Loop Hero is one of the most unique games I’ve played in years (it really is) and I know someone out there will go hit that install button on Gamepass, because why not?
When looking deeper into the crystal ball I see episodic content being a big thing within 5 years. Could evolve from something like No Man’s Sky and Forza Horizon where the core gameplay is similar but new things are added once a year or so. The static 10 year gigantic full game releases will slowly fade away and evolve into episodic games as a service games. Us oldies won’t be around to witness it fully but our kids will, and they won’t care because that’s what they’re already used to in everything else they do and just means less waiting for new content. And retro gaming won’t exist, the Commodore 64 cassette library will outlive what I’ll have on my Xbox.
You talking about recently or when the ABK deal was announced?
When it comes to the PlayStation division it isn't failing.
Those are a couple years now, the subscription era has just started getting up to speed now, things are going to change fast the coming years.Not necessarily. If a game is good, it can find a way to sell a lot of copies -- given that it has equal opportunities as other indie games (i.e., none of the games are on Game Pass or PS Plus day one).
There are many indie no-name games that found success:
We just had a thread for Little Nightmares and the fact that the 2 LN games have sold over 12 million copies!
- Enter the Gungeon
- Binding of Isaac
- Hollow Knight
- Hades
- Stardew Valley
Yes. It's not due to the PlayStation division, if anything that's one of like two (or is it there) divisions within Sony that keeps propping them up.Just sonys shares post their earnings call
Just sonys shares post their earnings call
Lol
Xbox generated 3,1 billion revenue in services and content
Sony generated 4,1 billion revenue in services and content
And? It only shows that subscription services constitute a small, almost minuscule, amount of revenue in the gaming divisions and are clearly NOT as important as people make them out to be.Lol
Xbox generated 3,1 billion revenue in services and content
Sony generated 4,1 billion revenue in services and content
DOOM AND GLOOM!
Things are coming in hot for Xbox next several monthsThis thread is pretty out there but, I'll tell you right now
There's about to be some drama with Redfall.
Can you elaborate? Drama is already there with this game..There's about to be some drama with Redfall.
This thread is pretty out there but, I'll tell you right now
There's about to be some drama with Redfall.
Heard anything about Starfield?Things are coming in hot for Xbox next several months
It's literally on fire...Heard anything about Starfield?
I mean, I'm not sure if by "hot" HeisenbergFX4 meant good or bad. At first, I thought it's good but I'd wait for his confirmation nowIt's literally on fire...
Things are coming in hot for Xbox next several months
Just last I heard Starfield was going to be a disaster at launch but this was like in Jan or maybe Feb and I haven't asked about it since thenI mean, I'm not sure if by "hot" HeisenbergFX4 meant good or bad. At first, I thought it's good but I'd wait for his confirmation now
What do they make in gaming profit compared to largest pubs currently? What would they lose and what would they gain from expanding market further?This. People are too simple minded sometimes and just look at platform totals. They miss the forest for the trees, OP included. All you need to ask yourself is if Microsoft makes more money as a platform holder than they would as a publisher. And the answer is a resounding yes, even if their platform gets outsold by Sony and Nintendo’s platform.
Obviously this changes if the Xbox platform nosedives and sells abysmally, but no rational person expects that to happen.
Oh ... Well, I thought by hot you meant "Emilia Clarke hot" but you meant "Jim Ryan hot".Just last I heard Starfield was going to be a disaster at launch but this was like in Jan or maybe Feb and I haven't asked about it since then
And by hot I don't mean in a good way
Can you elaborate? Drama is already there with this game..
Whole generation of XBOX customers stop buying games. Sony and Nintendo customers know buying a few games they actually want is better than a thousands free games they don't want. They know that because that is already the case with Free To Play games.Those are a couple years now, the subscription era has just started getting up to speed now, things are going to change fast the coming years.
I bought Hollow Knight too, won’t buy Silksong though, and you know why. Yeah, the Gamepass release.
I absolutely get the consequences but it’s too late to change now. A whole generation of kids has already grown up thinking it’s strange to buy music CDs and Blu-ray movies and those growing up will think it’s strange to buy games.
Tbh I’d say Nintendo is the one most likely to face brutal consequences, they make great games but they’re dinosaurs in every other way, and being a dinosaur is less optimal when things evolve.
PS+ Extra and Premium is Gamepass. The ball is already in motion. There is a difference in that Sony’s 1st party game catalogue releases are delayed but we’re at 6 months now going by HFW and that’s enough to wait to get some games for free. Go check the thread about people buying less games on PS, the ball is already rolling.Whole generation of XBOX customers stop buying games. Sony and Nintendo customers know buying a few games they actually want is better than a thousands free games they don't want. They know that because that is already the case with Free To Play games.
Cheap games can't get any cheaper than literally free, so when you spend money you use it to get stuff that isn't a mess of microtransactions. People are being trained to vote with their wallet outside Xbox.
There's about to be some drama with Redfall.
Just last I heard Starfield was going to be a disaster at launch but this was like in Jan or maybe Feb and I haven't asked about it since then
And by hot I don't mean in a good way
I don’t care if it’s running at 10fps on Series X but I’ll be forever pissed if they release it broken on PC, I’d rather take a 3 year delay, been waiting so many years already, being 47 or 50 when playing it won’t matter, just give me a nice first playthrough.Release it broken or delay the game.
Neither is going to be good for discussion here.
Best scenario is to release the game during the holidays and not have it be broken. But this a Bethesda game they usually have issues at launch.
You can only get Nintendo games on Nintendo hardware. That is why it is the ideal 2nd console, and why Xbox comes third.Nintendo aren’t doing this yet but they’re not immune to an ever evolving market. They’re already at a point where those who own all platforms probably won’t choose to go with the Nintendo version because of weaker hardware, it won’t help if you can get the same game on a subscription service elsewhere. They have their own releases but how long can they survive on only those?
I don’t care if it’s running at 10fps on Series X but I’ll be forever pissed if they release it broken on PC, I’d rather take a 3 year delay, been waiting so many years already, being 47 or 50 when playing it won’t matter, just give me a nice first playthrough.
Agreed. But to be fair, they have already delayed the game because they want to fix it and release an optimized version.Release it broken or delay the game.
Neither is going to be good for discussion here.
Best scenario is to release the game during the holidays and not have it be broken.
Not saying you're using it as an excuse, but I've seen people doing that. "Well, it's Bethesda; it will have bugs, and that's fine." "Bugs are the charm of Bethesda's games."But this a Bethesda game they usually have issues at launch.
Agreed. But to be fair, they have already delayed the game because they want to fix it and release an optimized version.
Not saying you're using it as an excuse, but I've seen people doing that. "Well, it's Bethesda; it will have bugs, and that's fine." "Bugs are the charm of Bethesda's games."
In 2023, past history should not be an excuse for a game that has been delayed multiple times. I hope they deliver a perfectly playable and relatively bug-free experience to gamers.
Oh yeah I got what you were saying -- that it is kind of inevitable that Starfield will be bug free. I agree.I meant more along the lines that it's doubtful it will release without any issues. Not saying its fine because it isn't but its to be expected.
What prompt did you use?Verse 1:
That's great Phil Spencer, Xbox's chief,
Gaming's changing fast, what's the latest beef?
Games are coming, exclusives galore,
Xbox Game Pass, what's the next score?
Chorus:
It's the end of the world as we know it,
And I feel fine,
Xbox is leading the way,
Phil Spencer's on the front line.
Verse 2:
Halo Infinite, Forza Horizon 5,
Bethesda's here, ready to thrive,
Xbox Series X, Game Pass on PC,
The future's bright, can't you see?
Chorus:
It's the end of the world as we know it,
And I feel fine,
Xbox is leading the way,
Phil Spencer's on the front line.
Verse 3:
Xcloud, streaming games on the fly,
Xbox app on my phone, I can't deny,
The gaming world's evolving fast,
Phil Spencer's leadership, built to last.
Chorus:
It's the end of the world as we know it,
And I feel fine,
Xbox is leading the way,
Phil Spencer's on the front line.
Outro:
So raise a controller, let's celebrate,
Xbox's reign, it's never too late,
Phil Spencer, the MVP,
Xbox's future, as far as we can see.
What prompt did you use?
PS+ Extra and Premium is Gamepass. The ball is already in motion
Oh yeah I got what you were saying -- that it is kind of inevitable that Starfield will be bug free. I agree.
I was referring to other people who I have seen using it as an excuse and giving Bethesda a pass if it has lots of bugs, saying that "it's not new; Bethesda games always have bugs." That would only continue this trend of getting flawed products from Bethesda, where they use the console population to beta test the game for them for free, and the PC community to essentially fix the game with mods.
Doesn’t matter. Things change. SNES was my main console but today I only have a Switch as you say as a secondary console. And my kids were classic ”What’s an Xbox?” kids, they only played on Nintendo consoles, Xbox literally didn’t exist in their eyes. But now they have their own Xbox accounts and check out Gamepass because of the bigger library of games than they would ever have by buying everything. Nintendo can’t stand still in this fast moving industry any more than anyone else.You can only get Nintendo games on Nintendo hardware. That is why it is the ideal 2nd console, and why Xbox comes third.
As for how long they can survive? They have survived much longer than Xbox, that's for sure. You can make fun of Nintendo all you want, that wouldn't change the fact that they are the bedrock of gaming for multiple generations now.