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PCSX2 - Excellent PS2 emulation, support improving all the time!

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msdstc

Incredibly Naive
ok so ps2 emulation is coming along... where does dreamcast emulation stand? Or x-box/gamecube? Which forums do you guys get all your information from... i'd use google, but usually searches involving emulators returns a bunch of porn ridden sites, mostly hentai.
 

bluemax

Banned
msdstc said:
ok so ps2 emulation is coming along... where does dreamcast emulation stand? Or x-box/gamecube? Which forums do you guys get all your information from... i'd use google, but usually searches involving emulators returns a bunch of porn ridden sites, mostly hentai.

DC is pretty decent IIRC but its a pain in the ass because you have to rip your games to your machine.

GCN I think stalled.

XBox I haven't heard about in a long time.

NGEmu is the site I used to check.
 

Nicko

Member
I can't get this to work.

I went to this page, http://www.pcsx2.net/guide.php?lang=en_US#Cdvd where they tell you how to configure reading the game from the DVD.

They say to "Select EFP Iso CDVD v0.6.0 and hit Configure," but there is no EFP Ico CDVD to select! Anyone else been able to get this going? Any help would be appreciated.

Nicko
 

dogmaan

Girl got arse pubes.
proposition said:
Any recent GPU should absolutely squish it in terms of fillrate. Even an X800 or 6800 should handily outclass it.

the 4mb edram has 48GBs of bandwidth which has no equivalent on a PC GPU like the 6800, there is no real way to emulate that bandwidth easily and accurately

the hardest parts to emulate quickly and accurately are the Vector Units (VU0 VU1) as these don't really have an equivalent on the PC
 

Durante

Member
Tideas said:
so we're allow to talk about emulators now? color me shock
Do you really need to post this kind of comment in every thread remotely related to homebrew and anything that can be somehow used in an illegal way? You know, the internet, your computer and your steak knife can also be used to aid illegal activities. Yeah, I was shocked and appalled too when I heard it.
 
dogmaan said:
the 4mb edram has 48GBs of bandwidth which has no equivalent on a PC GPU like the 6800, there is no real way to emulate that bandwidth easily and accurately

the hardest parts to emulate quickly and accurately are the Vector Units (VU0 VU1) as these don't really have an equivalent on the PC
I wondered if the EDRAM might be to blame, the bandwidth on that stuff is just silly. I presume that's also why they leave the GS in software-driven BC PS3s even after removing the EE?
 

White Man

Member
Nice. I had no idea there had been progress on this front. I don't like having to keep my SDTV hooked up, but most PS2 (and Wii) games look terrible on my HDTV, so this is one step closer to me being able to retire my old TV.

I do own 2 PS2s, and a PS3, so I have plenty of legal ways to play. None of them just currently meet my standards for satisfaction.
 
Mamesj said:
Are we allowed to discuss the games we've tried? I can post pics of the originals I own lol
there's no difference whether you used backups or a game image, or simply reposted some 3rd guy's pics from another forum to display the progress of the emulator, so why bring this originals thing up in the first place?
 

White Man

Member
FrozenCell said:
no one cares if you used backups or a game image, or simply reposted some 3rd guy's pics from another forum to display the progress of the emulator, so why bring this originals thing up in the first place?

Even better, if posting screenshots is seriously raising ethical concerns for people, why bother to post screenshots at all? We all know it upscales, and that compatibility is hit and miss. Save us the shitstorm and just describe your experiences. Not that it really changes things, but maybe it will keep some people from bitching.

Going by the logic in the quoted posts, people should probably be posting images of their legit games, with themselves in the picture, with a little sign indicating who the person is every time they post impressions or screenshots of games. That's stupic bullshit. Fuck the stupid people saying WE CAN TALK ABOUT EMULATION NOW? OMG! It's usually pretty clear when lines have been crossed, and 95% of people here probably own PS2s in the first place. There are no ethical issues here unless people go about trying to create them. I suggest people that are offended by the discussion here go to some other thread and talk about shit that doesn't matter, like sales numbers and what not.
 

BreakyBoy

o_O @_@ O_o
White Man said:
Text snipped because it's the post right above this one

SSDD (Same Shit, Different Day) -> http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8532281&postcount=48

::chest bumps White Man::

Back on topic, I'm currently spending my not-so-free time at work investigating how to install Ubuntu via Boot Camp on my MacBook Pro for the sole reason of trying this out. The possibility of portable PS2 emulation makes my privates tingle.
 
White Man said:
Going by the logic in the quoted posts, people should probably be posting images of their legit games, with themselves in the picture, with a little sign indicating who the person is every time they post impressions or screenshots of games. That's stupic bullshit. Fuck the stupid people saying WE CAN TALK ABOUT EMULATION NOW? OMG! It's usually pretty clear when lines have been crossed, and 95% of people here probably own PS2s in the first place. There are no ethical issues here unless people go about trying to create them. I suggest people that are offended by the discussion here go to some other thread and talk about shit that doesn't matter, like sales numbers and what not.
Well that one guy got banned a while ago for posting a topic about the CPS3 emulator, even though before that there were plenty of topics talking about CPS1/2/MVS emulation on the PSP, so if you don't enforce the rules regarding emulation consistently there's going to be some question as to what we can and can't talk about.
 

cress2000

Member
Shadow Hearts 3 isn't the most popular game, but I played some of it recently and it's a mega jagfest on the PS2 and just screams "please upscale and give me AA."

Unfortunately, there are way too many glitches with this game using ZeroGS, so these screens were made with GSDX9. So maybe it'll look better if it's ever supported by ZeroGS.

Aspect ratio may be off, as the original screens were 1024x1024, but everything looked squished. So they've been stretched a bit.

sh3-1.jpg


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dogmaan

Girl got arse pubes.
cress2000 said:

thanks for those screencaps

I always find what these emulator developers do amazing (regardless of legality), I have been following pcsx2 from the beginning, and the progress they have made in the past 18 months is nothing short of amazing, you have to remember these guys have no official documentation for the ps2, so a lot of the developing is trial and error and talent.

Sony should seriously take a look at what these guys are doing, and take a leaf out of their book, if FFX can be emulated at full speed on an incomplete ps2 emulator at 1280x1024 with ansiotropic filtering and anti aliasing, there is no reason why sony can't do something similiar with the PS3 and all the neccesary technical documentation for the PS2

also here is an image I quite like, i found it on the PCSX2 official forums (ngemu.com)

jusTiC3 said:

Also as for legality of pictures, we could say anyone posting screenshots of PC games could potentially be using a pirate copy, I think this is a bad road to go down as people will end up having to post a picture of themselves holding the game and the receipt to prove they have the game, just to post screenshots, the people who should be reprimanded are the obvious pirates e.g. if someone posts "I just downloaded the BIOS for the emulator, where does it go?"
 

Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
I need to find my copy of the Japanese version of Victorious Boxers 2 so I can test this out.
 

Mamesj

Banned
White Man said:
Even better, if posting screenshots is seriously raising ethical concerns for people, why bother to post screenshots at all? We all know it upscales, and that compatibility is hit and miss. Save us the shitstorm and just describe your experiences. Not that it really changes things, but maybe it will keep some people from bitching.

Going by the logic in the quoted posts, people should probably be posting images of their legit games, with themselves in the picture, with a little sign indicating who the person is every time they post impressions or screenshots of games. That's stupic bullshit. Fuck the stupid people saying WE CAN TALK ABOUT EMULATION NOW? OMG! It's usually pretty clear when lines have been crossed, and 95% of people here probably own PS2s in the first place. There are no ethical issues here unless people go about trying to create them. I suggest people that are offended by the discussion here go to some other thread and talk about shit that doesn't matter, like sales numbers and what not.


I'm not really deeply invested in the ethical concerns about the subject, I just don't want to get banned. I know Eiji and Fatghost got banned in a CPS3 thread, so I didn't want to cross the line.

but since you're a mod, I'll take it that it's okay to discuss games and post screens.
 

Mamesj

Banned
well, on that note:
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I cut off the right black bar to make the pic more postable. man, I wish I could play through the whole game with it looking like this. It was improved a lot since .9.3-- the audio sounds much better, and there aren't as many graphical glitches, though still a ton, particularly at school.

oh and that frame rate is with heavy skipping on. I wish it played at that speed!
 

Kuran

Banned
Persona 3 looks good this way!

I really regret that DC emulation doesn't allow you to use the actual disks... I was able to disconnect my Saturn because its emulation is pretty great. I turned all of my actual games to disk images, and can load any game on a whim.. whilst leaving the original games unscathed and safe from harm. Its bliss! I wish it upon my Dreamcast as well..
 

Baryn

Banned
Kuran said:
Persona 3 looks good this way!

I really regret that DC emulation doesn't allow you to use the actual disks... I was able to disconnect my Saturn because its emulation is pretty great. I turned all of my actual games to disk images, and can load any game on a whim.. whilst leaving the original games unscathed and safe from harm. Its bliss! I wish it upon my Dreamcast as well..
I thought Saturn emulation was horrible! Which emu do you use?
 

SOLDIER

Member
I wish to God PS3 BC looked like this. I remember seeing surveys and such by Sony where they guage what people want to see in the upcoming firmware updates. Has there been anything on improving BC? I need a place where I can show these sample shots and tell them "hey, we want our games to look this good.". If the 60gb PS3 is the "premium" model, then having BC that looks like this would definetely boost sales, imo.

I want this more than in-game messaging.
 

Kuran

Banned
Baryn said:
I thought Saturn emulation was horrible! Which emu do you use?

I'm not booted into windows right now... but I'm pretty sure its called SSF. It has accurate emulation for most games I play.. and it allows me to use Sega's USB version of the Saturn controller with no problems.

The only Saturn game I really frequently still play is Digital Pinball: Necronomicon.. and that works great! It doesn't enhance the visuals in any way, but I don't need that.

Edit:

You can find it here: http://ssftribute.emuunlim.com/faq.php#what is SSF
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Kuran said:
I really regret that DC emulation doesn't allow you to use the actual disks... I was able to disconnect my Saturn because its emulation is pretty great. I turned all of my actual games to disk images, and can load any game on a whim.. whilst leaving the original games unscathed and safe from harm. Its bliss! I wish it upon my Dreamcast as well..

If you have the broadband adapter, make your own backups. If you don't, you can do it with a serial cable (but it takes a lot of time).

If you don't want to make your own backups, consider the option of downloading the games via bittorrent and making sure to turn your upload speed to 0; downloading a 3rd party copy as a method of format shifting is not legally ruled on in any jurisdiction I'm aware of, but ethically as long as you're not uploading and you do own a copy of the game I don't see how you could have any problems. Obviously, though, if you have the broadband adapter, it's vastly preferable that you make your own rips to ensure the highest possible quality.
 

Kuran

Banned
Stumpokapow said:
If you have the broadband adapter, make your own backups. If you don't, you can do it with a serial cable (but it takes a lot of time).

If you don't want to make your own backups, consider the option of downloading the games via bittorrent and making sure to turn your upload speed to 0; downloading a 3rd party copy as a method of format shifting is not legally ruled on in any jurisdiction I'm aware of, but ethically as long as you're not uploading and you do own a copy of the game I don't see how you could have any problems. Obviously, though, if you have the broadband adapter, it's vastly preferable that you make your own rips to ensure the highest possible quality.

Bandwith in Belgium is expensive and limited, so that isn't an option.. ripping the games through the broadband adapter would take weeks, I presume.. I have close to a 100 DC games.. completism ftl.
 

kay

Member
Kuran said:
Persona 3 looks good this way!
I wouldn't say it looks that different from playing it on PS3. Smoothing seems to give about 8x anti-aliasing and also the resolution increase helps, it just doesn't have that "emulated" look. Dunno how to describe it.
 

Mamesj

Banned
kay said:
it just doesn't have that "emulated" look. Dunno how to describe it.


The colors are not as vibrant, maybe? graphics card picture controls are great for making games look even better and of course, the PS3 doesn't give you any control over the picture so the game may still look a little drab.
 

gcfan2k5

Member
dogmaan said:
the 4mb edram has 48GBs of bandwidth which has no equivalent on a PC GPU like the 6800, there is no real way to emulate that bandwidth easily and accurately

the hardest parts to emulate quickly and accurately are the Vector Units (VU0 VU1) as these don't really have an equivalent on the PC

Vertex Shader 3.0 units should be able to easily handle everything VU0 and VU1 can do (vertex shaders are just fancy vector processors) PS2 could actually do more than VS1.x and do quite a few VS2.x effects just as well as graphics chips can do them. Problem is they were tasked with 100% of the graphics work, and there werent resources left to USE alot of those effects. As for edram bandwidth, there wont always be a need for the full amount of that bandwidth, and unless you are using an interpreter instead of a recompiler, other methods can be used to emulate the required amount of bandwidth without actually HAVING that amount of bandwidth (it would have to be done nearly on a per-game basis in the emulator code itself).
 

dogmaan

Girl got arse pubes.
gcfan2k5 said:
Vertex Shader 3.0 units should be able to easily handle everything VU0 and VU1 can do (vertex shaders are just fancy vector processors) PS2 could actually do more than VS1.x and do quite a few VS2.x effects just as well as graphics chips can do them. Problem is they were tasked with 100% of the graphics work, and there werent resources left to USE alot of those effects. As for edram bandwidth, there wont always be a need for the full amount of that bandwidth, and unless you are using an interpreter instead of a recompiler, other methods can be used to emulate the required amount of bandwidth without actually HAVING that amount of bandwidth (it would have to be done nearly on a per-game basis in the emulator code itself).


vertex shaders aren't vector units, i dont think vertex shaders, or most GPU's are turing complete, I doubt you would be able to emulate a VU efficiently in a shader program

as for the bandwidth for the GS, that can be gotten around by hacks, texture compression etc, but the goal of PCSX2 is to make the most accurate PS2 emulator available.
 

OatmealMu

Member
Mamesj said:
Find some good shots, bump the AA to 16x, cap them, then post here. but cut off the dos prompt next time :lol

Hey, the DOS prompt is the most interesting part! Besides, the screen is even more blown out once gameplay starts. I can't see shit.
 

Mamesj

Banned
OatmealMu said:
Hey, the DOS prompt is the most interesting part! Besides, the screen is even more blown out once gameplay starts. I can't see shit.


yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this game isn't even screenshot material yet. hell, it melts PS2s as it is.
 

Link1110

Member
Yeah, SSF is the good saturn emu, but it has high system requirements. It barely worked on my P4/1.7ghz, but works perect on my current system (SI put the specs earlier in this thread.)
 

Eiji

Member
KarishBHR said:
Can someone explain which are the best plugins to use?

I have a dual core processor and a 7900gs

For best performance, copy your game discs to the hard drive with a imaging program like Nero or ImgBurn. Running games from discs in a disc drive impacts performance and leads to much slower loading times.

Here are my settings:

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Guess which game? :p

6x1mnf5.jpg


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71yfib5.jpg
 

qcf x2

Member
How well would it run on my laptop?

1.5 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB RAM
GeForce 8600

& Vista if that matters


I ask because I tried the last version, not really knowing what I was doing, and FFX ran pretty terribly. I had no idea what settings to apply, though.
 

Danj

Member
Eiji said:
For best performance, copy your game discs to the hard drive with a imaging program like Nero or ImgBurn. Running games from discs in a disc drive impacts performance and leads to much slower loading times.

Is that what causes the slowdown on intro FMVs? Or is that actually still a problem with the emulator? I tried FF12 on it the other day and it seems to work pretty well in-game, but FMVs are slooow.
 

Danj

Member
qcf x2 said:
How well would it run on my laptop?

1.5 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB RAM
GeForce 8600

& Vista if that matters


I ask because I tried the last version, not really knowing what I was doing, and FFX ran pretty terribly. I had no idea what settings to apply, though.

1.5Ghz core 2 duo? Are you sure? I thought the lowest core 2 duo was 1.86Ghz. But anyway yeah, it should probably run, though I have no idea how well.
 
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