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Phil Spencer responds to Sony's 'dig' at Gamescom
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kerotan_eater
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hahaha ... so so true =]
Even though I cringed at the Sony dig, its good to make sure that Microsoft don't forget how inane they were, especially leading up half a year into E3 with all the consumer warnings and still pulling the crap they did with DRM. Especially Mattrick's dumb ass responses.
I'll forgive them eventually if they are consistent in listening to feedback.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Glad to see their PR is turning a bit on this. Since Mattrick left it seems they are trying to be more open and listen a bit more. Sure the outrage on the previous policies forced their hand, but it does seem like something has clicked over there and is slowly taking shape.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
Because Microsoft is known for being a ever changing costumer friendly company in general.
9/10
WrenchNinja
Member
Funny, you didn't include the consumer s into the conversation for months and now suddenly we're talking to each other?
Law Abiding Stranger
Banned
You mean "we listen to shit preorder numbers", that is.
DeviantBoi
Member
So when Phil Spencer comes to GAF or Reddit to read gamers' comments on the XBone, how can he tell which are the positive comments and which are the fake comments by MS PR shills?
Gaming is entertainment.
TheRagnCajun
Member
Hi Phil
High Prophet of Regret
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This.
CosmicQueso
Member
Pre-order numbers are the best and most clear source of determining feedback.
Don't know why people separate that from raving comments on the internet.
They're one and the same.
SneakyStephan
Banned
Both sides should be ashamed, one side tried to fuck over consumers and because of backlash they had to change their tune, the other side weaseled in online paywalls.
Remember how Sony was giving jabs at xbox live fees and how they wouldn't do that during the entirity of the ps3 gen? That is how little their current arrogance means, if they think they can get away with the pre 180 xbox one scheme at the start of the ps5 gen then you can be sure that they will do it.
Neither of them are on our side, neither of them deserve cheering on.
Remember how Sony was giving jabs at xbox live fees and how they wouldn't do that during the entirity of the ps3 gen? That is how little their current arrogance means, if they think they can get away with the pre 180 xbox one scheme at the start of the ps5 gen then you can be sure that they will do it.
Neither of them are on our side, neither of them deserve cheering on.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Goes to show voting with your wallet will always be the best voice of opinion
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
When you listen to people, you don't ignore what they say until they slap you in the face, you change accordingly so they don't slap you in the face. Once you've made that mistake and try to rectify it, it's called 'begging'.
soul creator
Member
rumors before the official reveal - online check every few minutes, no used games or loaning ever
After the official reveal - online check every 24 hours, limited used games, limited digital license transfers
So it wouldn't surprise me if they did actually "listen", and thought that those terms would be "good enough". Obviously though, it wasn't.
This may come as a shock, but pre-order numbers and media backlash are forms of feedback.
shadowsdarknes
Member
If there was no other viable option (ps4/pc) and people kept complaining about DRM but were still forced to get the console if they wanted to play their favorite games, MS obviously wouldn't budge.
There wouldn't be a two way discussion without competition.
Funny how the so called listening only started when the cash tills started to ring, or more to the point, didn't ring for pre-orders.
Also, if they are listening, why do they still not hear from gamers about a kinect free SKU. They certainly outnumber those that want the damn thing.
Only thing MS listen to is cash tills and shareholders. Everything else they just hit the mute button.
Also, if they are listening, why do they still not hear from gamers about a kinect free SKU. They certainly outnumber those that want the damn thing.
Only thing MS listen to is cash tills and shareholders. Everything else they just hit the mute button.
TheJollyCorner
Member
was there any other option? Staying the course would have been console suicide, despite what the most brainwashed X-fans want to believe.
Of course they are being 'humble' now. They've been getting dick-punched, repeatedly, from consumers and journos combined- for months.
Pound_lb003
Member
Don't talk about GAF... And then give us FIFA, Minecraft and CoD.
So when he's talking about having two way conversations, you're saying the conversation is MS talking and consumers replying with money and that's what Phil actually meant?
shadowsdarknes
Member
Microsoft had to be dragged away from their policies kicking and screaming. Its only good PR to act as MS was the good guy fighting for consumer rights.
BlazingDarkness
Member
He's basically saying MS should be respected by its consumers because it said it was sorry for shitting on them in the first place. lol.
Dead Prince
Banned
for a platform being built for gamers they sure didn't do a good job until the backlash started.
Really? This again? We did not see cool games and have a good launch lineup for the One?
It became a two-way conversation once they realized they were going to get destroyed this holiday season if they didn't go into emergency PR mode.
Months and months of listening to Mattrick and his minions talk about how "360 is the console" for those that don't have a steady connection to the internet.
If that Adam Orth fiasco didn't happen, I'm pretty sure they would have went with complete always-online for the functionality of the machine going into E3.
They can say all they want about a "two-way conversation." It wasn't. The reversal should have happened before their reveal and before their E3 show. It didn't happen, because they still thought people would swallow their shitty bill of goods.
Months and months of listening to Mattrick and his minions talk about how "360 is the console" for those that don't have a steady connection to the internet.
If that Adam Orth fiasco didn't happen, I'm pretty sure they would have went with complete always-online for the functionality of the machine going into E3.
They can say all they want about a "two-way conversation." It wasn't. The reversal should have happened before their reveal and before their E3 show. It didn't happen, because they still thought people would swallow their shitty bill of goods.
BlazingDarkness
Member
This, too.
Customer: "Hey MS, we don't want all that DRM stuff and online requirements."
MS: "....."
Customer: "Hey MS! We don't want that shit!"
MS: "....but cloud?"
Customer: "Fuck this shit, I ain't buying your product."
MS: "Whoa whoa hold on! We'll remove it OK? See we listen to your concerns."
Customer: "...."
Flame Lord
Member
As does every other company in existence.
Cornbread78
Member
What up Philster, that's for the shout out brotha.
Dirk Benedict
Member
It took 3 years for MS to finally bring you the games you've been waiting for.
BOOM.
TheThunder
Member
Never thought that Neogaf was *that* big to get a special mention from the main guy at Xbox.
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