Tampa is actually ahead of phoenix in TV market size.
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Phoenix, Arizona Now The 5th Biggest City in the U.S.-Has Passed Philadelphia
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Tampa is actually ahead of phoenix in TV market size.
WhiskerFrisker
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New York City: "Heh, that's it?"
If you live more in rural areas, yes you will get scorpions in your home. I was stung about a month ago. It was fucking hell. Lot's of wild life if you live just outside of the city, like where I am, about 10 miles North. Coyotes, javelina, lizards, gila monsters, rattle snakes, I've even seen bob cats and a mountain lion though that was more like 20 miles north.
If you live in the city though, more towards the center, wildlife is rare outside of coyotes.
Violence Jack
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I just went to AZ 2 months ago, mainly the Scottsdale, Tempe, and Mesa areas. I really enjoyed it and could see why people would live there. But there's fucking way I could deal with that heat. My wife graduated from ASU and couldn't wait to get out there solely for that reason.
Friend of Sonic
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And my point is I disagree with you. I am labelling the experiences as a whole 115 low humidity>90 high humidity. I don't like the humidity in the summer and I do see it as a different experience here, even when it's 115
One Eyed Willy
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I vacationed in North Scottsdale a few years ago and almost (almost) moved there. Town was amazing and upscale. I know the AZ heat, I vacation there during the summers actually on the river. I decided to stay in socal, but North Scottsdale is legit.
One of the best tiny cities I've been to. It was like suburban and high end sprawl, but 5 minutes from downtown food and culture. Perfect IMO
Andrew Korenchkin
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Downtown is exciting for me, especially given its potential for entertainment growth. The little Nightclub district is lacking right now but if they demolished the brick buildings in the area they could get something going on.
smokeandmirrors
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Phoenix is yet another example of an amalgamation of the US's atrocious (sub)urban planning
Andrew Korenchkin
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Phoenix is mentioned a lot in Suburban Nation, none of it being positive.
I don't think there's any chance Chicago will hold Houston off.
ThatCrazyGuy
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As others have said, I think going by metro area size as a data point is better.
Speaking of the heat, I have lived in the desert and now the gulf South. I fucking hate the humidity. I would choose the dry heat. But 115 dry heat is oppressive as well. They both damn suck.
Speaking of the heat, I have lived in the desert and now the gulf South. I fucking hate the humidity. I would choose the dry heat. But 115 dry heat is oppressive as well. They both damn suck.
Chicago: 234 sq miles
Houston: 627 sq miles
You're right, but it's not hard when you got 2.5x as much space by annexing half of south east Texas.
Left 2 years ago for Maryland and very happy
Why? Is something in the water that stains things blue?
fudgey_lumpkins
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I'm not surprised that Philly is shrinking. How City Hall thinks that 8% sales tax plus now a soda tax on top of City Wage tax and Business Privilege tax would be a good idea when you're surrounded on on the PA side by suburbs with 6% sales tax and none of these other crazy taxes. Everyone who can is moving outside the city.
hodayathink
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True, but the Chicago metro isn't really growing, either. And there's a lot of space to grow still out in the suburbs.
Poor people are moving out. Young professionals are flooding the city.
Was. That has changed in the past five years.
1. The city is growing, just slower than Phoenix.
2. Tell the state to change the constitution to allow progressive taxation.
Thank you for bringing sense into this thread. Also, screw how hot Phoenix gets.
Again it wasn't a competition between which is worse...
It's a desert, right? Deserts have never had enough water to support any large numbers of people. Nevada was less populated than Alaska for a long time, for example. And both Nevada and Arizona in their current forms are impossible without decent AC and cars, and all the infrastructure that requires.
I remember reading once about a plan to build a pipeline from the Great Lakes to Arizona to help with water demands.
metalslimer
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Houston is expanding so rapidly it's hard to keep up. Of course the Houston sprawls out for miles in every direction so it really doesn't feel like it should be as big
WhiteRabbitEXE
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100+ is nothing, really. I hate it, but it's endurable. 110+ though, you're absolutely right. When it's 117 outside, dry means exactly jack shit. Opening the door is like opening an oven, and the sunlight outside is LITERALLY PAINFUL. And I'm a 20 year vet of this shit. God do I miss the year I spent in Flagstaff. I'll take sub-zero temperatures and several feet of snow over Phoenix summer every day of the week and twice on Sunday
shira
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Asia is wet heat. Unfuckingbearable
Pagusas
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Because it's a shitty place, Illinois taxes are insane, Illinois politics are insane, and Illinois is a trash heap.
Wasted 9 years of my life in that hell hole. So glad to have left.
Vanillalite
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Basically was gonna post this.
I don't really care about just inner city population​. Give me metro to get a real feel for how big a full city area is.
There's your problem right there.
You're right.
And the burbs is where I live.
The total population of the Chicago suburbs is greater than the city itself. We're spread out through 8 counties in Illinois, plus the rest of Cook.
andthebeatgoeson
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5 minutes from where? You can be on the highway, looking at the beach and still be a half hour away.
hodayathink
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Only two of those things are true.
I lived in Phoenix for a bit. I didn't mind the summers, even the first time I experienced them. A dry 115 feels hot, but as soon as you get back into AC you're perfectly fine again. In a way, it was even sort of refreshing. I visited Florida in the summer and 90 degrees plus high humidity is orders of magnitude worse. Once you start getting hot, you're fucked. You can't cool off. You get coated in sweat. It's hard to sleep. It's hell. I'd take a month in Phoenix's summer over a day in Miami's.
Pipeline to the CO river maybe. California uses about 60% the CO river water, mainly for agriculture. Phoenix is largely supplied by the Salt River basin and was long considered an oasis.
As for everything else in this thread there are something like 5,000 multi-family residential units under construction in central Phoenix right now and about 20,000 city wide. Scottsdale is shit beyond clubs, Tempe is cool, but is a college town. The rest of "the valley" is pretty terrible, but, some of the most interesting and best meals I've ever had have been in strip malls here. It's just a different build environment.
Friend of Sonic
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Not saying it was? Just stating a personal opinion that contradicts your own. Wasn't meant to incite a competition. I'm thankful for low humidity, extreme heat or not.
I've only been to Arizona in January, so I couldn't really judge. It was still warm though, meaning it must get hot as hell in the summer. To be fair though, we get the occasional 110+ days in Southern Oregon as well. Just not all the time...
One Eyed Willy
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I could live 3 lifetimes and I'll always prefer living in suburbia and visiting downtown cities, anywhere. Best of both worlds, I can live quietly with tons of space and visit the city whenever I want that experience. City life is way too fast for me, noisy as all hell and people are just stacked on top of one another. Neat for a day or two max, but then I always crave the quiet neighborhood to go home to.
So I would say Phoenix (and much of AZ or TX) are an example of the US's awesome suburban planning. You see, opinions are like assholes.
Everyone has one, and they all stink.
Andrew Korenchkin
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Pretty much, though I think volume of people in the area is why our water is at risk as well.
Ooooh cool. Lots of fancy designations now.
As a Chicagoan. Weather? Seriously?
It's been awesome here with that Seattle style weather. Give me that rain and cool weather any day!
How long do you survive in that heat?
Tender Joe
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Straight up. I'd hate life in general if I was stuck in Glendale or anywhere on the west side, really.
I've lived in Tempe for 10 years, just moved the Coronado neighboorhood in Phoenix proper and have consistently enjoyed my time here. The summer is obviously oppressive, but it's easy enough to stay indoors and to take day trips to escape every once in a while.
The thing that has always stood out to me about PHX is that we seem to really lack an identity. I think most of this is due to the high amount of transplants that live here (myself included).
PS - Old Town/North Scottsdale is nice for a date night, but fuuuuuck living there. Obnoxious people.