-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Pokémon Community Thread 2: "This is the Real Power of Johto..."
- Thread starter ThatObviousUser
- Start date
Dion Blaster
Member
Success! My fav
Shaymim? Forgot about him, so thats another one.
I did Mono-Grass in R&B once. Thank god for Exeggutor, otherwise Gengar woulda trolled me to death.
tiggerkiddo
Member
What's so good about Jumpluff?
1. It's Adorable.
2. It's extremely, ridiculously fast (for a low tier grass type)
3. It's even faster in the sun. (for...well, anything)
4. It can learn U-Turn.
5. It can sleep powder and leech seed, then hide behind a substitute.
6. Have you seen how adorable it is?
tiggerkiddo
Member
Ixnay on the adorable...well it's too adorable. I always skipped it because it seemed crummy in game.
Funny thing is its early Johto competition is the grass starter (who is also adorable) the boring but steady Bellsprout and the KING OF ALL SHITTY GRASS TYPES.
I'd love if they did that but sadly I really doubt they'd change the formula that much
tiggerkiddo
Member
So Oddish isn't king of the crummy grass types? I hope not because I always had a soft spot for him.
Tropius was always an amazing HM slave and now has a hilarious "infinite combo" with Harvest. Good luck getting it off though.
Tropius is fine in my book.
Sunflora, while I dig it's design, is, was, and always will be terrible. That's not to say that with Choice Specs+The Sun+Trick Room+Solar Power+Solar Beam you can't do a ridiculous amount of damage (YOU CAN!) but good luck getting that all done and keeping him alive.
Paras, who I just used in Fire Red, sucks royally. But then you remember that it learns spore at level 28 in gen three and beyond and you start to forgive it. It's still annoying that no matter which game he is in you can't get false swipe on it without breeding.
Tropius is fine in my book.
Sunflora, while I dig it's design, is, was, and always will be terrible. That's not to say that with Choice Specs+The Sun+Trick Room+Solar Power+Solar Beam you can't do a ridiculous amount of damage (YOU CAN!) but good luck getting that all done and keeping him alive.
Paras, who I just used in Fire Red, sucks royally. But then you remember that it learns spore at level 28 in gen three and beyond and you start to forgive it. It's still annoying that no matter which game he is in you can't get false swipe on it without breeding.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Still ticks me off I can't get an Oddish until super super late in Platinum. That always bummed me out.
Speaking of grass types I've got a lv 5 Bulbasaur ready to go which I used TM's to loadout with a good starting moveset.
Energy Ball
Toxic
Sludge Bomb
Venoshock
I'm trying to take advantage of it's Poison type a bit more but I'll probably switch out Sludge bomb for a different move later on, Any suggestions?
Energy Ball
Toxic
Sludge Bomb
Venoshock
I'm trying to take advantage of it's Poison type a bit more but I'll probably switch out Sludge bomb for a different move later on, Any suggestions?
Giga Drain has 5 less points than Energy Ball but it also packs recovery. Earthquake can maim Heatran on the switch.
Since I am bored I'm looking at the entire list of Grass types and will divide them into a few different groups. This isn't serious tier shit but it does come from a pro who has used far too many grass types when he really should have just benched them.
Boring Grass Types.
Victreebel. Enough said. Was originally the king of Growth.
Bellossom - Yeah it's kinda cute. It's got a bad movepool and you know who else is kinda cute and better? Vileplume!
Carnivine - If not for the anime he'd have to go in the catagory of so boring I forget it exists.
Simisage - It's actually useful like most of these other boring pokemon, but it gets less so as it goes along.
Adorable but not terribly good:
Jumpluff: He's useful, don't get me wrong (you can even surprise the fuck out of people using this in competitive battles) but its stats are LOW.
Cherrim: Is sooo cute, especially in the sun. You only ever see this on novelty double/triple battle teams though.
Maractus: Borderline between boring and adorable.
Middle of the Road:
Vileplume: It's cute, it's got some moves. It tends to die alot for whatever reason, it's in a lot of games.
Exeggutor: Is awesome, but not awesome enough. It can really shine in the right circumstances.
Meganium: Borderline adorable but not good, borderline boring if you don't find it cute. It's mainly brought down by being the second worst starter in his generation if you consider the makeup of the gym leaders.
Sceptile: Like Exeggutor, has seen better days when his best moves all ran off of special. Still really good.
Cacturne: Is fun but is now overshadowed by the other hoenn grass types including the other Grass/Dark!
Cradily: Almost belongs in its own tier of obscure pokemon that are impossible to kill. Sometimes I even forget just what grass/rock is weak to!
Lilligant: is the Beeheym of the gen V grass types.
Sawsbuck: Is fun and cool looking, and one of the few waiting for new moves to bust out of this grouping.
Cream of the Crop:
Venusaur: I love this fucker even when it wasn't good. Huge ass movepool, can do anything!
Celebi: Adorable, extremely rare in the US/EUR, we missed almost all of the events that released him. It's super Exeggutor.
THE REST OF THE HOENN GRASS TYPES: Ludicolo used to be the only good one, now the rest of them (Roserade, Shiftry, Breloom, and Tropius) all have their places on any in game team or most fun battle teams. What a difference the special/attack split and a bunch of new moves/an evolution did.
Torterra: Arguably the worst gen four starter (easily the worst competitively) is still a great pokemon with a cool design.
Abomasnow: Great design, great name, interesting type with the customary grass/anything huge pile of weaknesses.
Tangrowth: Defensive wall. Has some hilarious in game movesets and is decent in spots competitively.
Leafeon: Yes, it has no move pool. It's also king of Leaf Blade. I love this thing. You could make a case for boring, but I love it and it's my list.
Rotom Lawn Mower: Just look at that thing. C'mon son.
Shaymin: Either flavor is good. Regular one may suck in comparison but it has a case for cutest pokemon, let alone cutest grass type. Skymin is dorky looking.
Serperior: I like its odd combination of stats. Needs better moves though, B2/W2 helps, but not enough. Contrary will be fun.
Whimsicott: Prankster, that adorable fluffyness, who could say no? Kinda fun in game, shines in battles.
Amoonguss: This pun is too good. The only defensive spore user. Enough said.
Ferrothorn: Is Ferrothorn. Completely shamed the hell out of Foretress and stole Bronzong's lunch money.
Virizion: Shitty wireless but better than AT&T. FIOS owns. Also is special Breloom with worse movepool and abilities.
Bug/Grass Tier.
Leavanny: King/Queen/God Emperor/Empress of Bug/Grass Pokémon. It's actually usable despite the problems of this unholy paring.
Parasect: Is a zombie, it learns spore. I leveled one to level 80 something in Fire Red a few months back and things still went first and killed it. Still, it's a ZOMBIE MUSHROOM.
Wormadam: Count of hands: How many people in this thread forgot completely about this form? I thought so.
King of Shit Mountain:
Sunflora: Sunflora blows. Especially in Gen 2. I hate the thing. It's goofy stat distribution, It's weird first form, it's terrible movepool. Yes it can now technically kill everything with the right setup, but who can't? I do sort of like its design though.
So Awesome I Get to Mention it Twice:
Tropius: Alongside Mew, Golduck, Smeargle and a few others is an insanely useful HM Slave. Plus it has a cool Banana waddle thing and it's stats outside of speed really aren't that bad. I love this fucker.
Boring Grass Types.
Victreebel. Enough said. Was originally the king of Growth.
Bellossom - Yeah it's kinda cute. It's got a bad movepool and you know who else is kinda cute and better? Vileplume!
Carnivine - If not for the anime he'd have to go in the catagory of so boring I forget it exists.
Simisage - It's actually useful like most of these other boring pokemon, but it gets less so as it goes along.
Adorable but not terribly good:
Jumpluff: He's useful, don't get me wrong (you can even surprise the fuck out of people using this in competitive battles) but its stats are LOW.
Cherrim: Is sooo cute, especially in the sun. You only ever see this on novelty double/triple battle teams though.
Maractus: Borderline between boring and adorable.
Middle of the Road:
Vileplume: It's cute, it's got some moves. It tends to die alot for whatever reason, it's in a lot of games.
Exeggutor: Is awesome, but not awesome enough. It can really shine in the right circumstances.
Meganium: Borderline adorable but not good, borderline boring if you don't find it cute. It's mainly brought down by being the second worst starter in his generation if you consider the makeup of the gym leaders.
Sceptile: Like Exeggutor, has seen better days when his best moves all ran off of special. Still really good.
Cacturne: Is fun but is now overshadowed by the other hoenn grass types including the other Grass/Dark!
Cradily: Almost belongs in its own tier of obscure pokemon that are impossible to kill. Sometimes I even forget just what grass/rock is weak to!
Lilligant: is the Beeheym of the gen V grass types.
Sawsbuck: Is fun and cool looking, and one of the few waiting for new moves to bust out of this grouping.
Cream of the Crop:
Venusaur: I love this fucker even when it wasn't good. Huge ass movepool, can do anything!
Celebi: Adorable, extremely rare in the US/EUR, we missed almost all of the events that released him. It's super Exeggutor.
THE REST OF THE HOENN GRASS TYPES: Ludicolo used to be the only good one, now the rest of them (Roserade, Shiftry, Breloom, and Tropius) all have their places on any in game team or most fun battle teams. What a difference the special/attack split and a bunch of new moves/an evolution did.
Torterra: Arguably the worst gen four starter (easily the worst competitively) is still a great pokemon with a cool design.
Abomasnow: Great design, great name, interesting type with the customary grass/anything huge pile of weaknesses.
Tangrowth: Defensive wall. Has some hilarious in game movesets and is decent in spots competitively.
Leafeon: Yes, it has no move pool. It's also king of Leaf Blade. I love this thing. You could make a case for boring, but I love it and it's my list.
Rotom Lawn Mower: Just look at that thing. C'mon son.
Shaymin: Either flavor is good. Regular one may suck in comparison but it has a case for cutest pokemon, let alone cutest grass type. Skymin is dorky looking.
Serperior: I like its odd combination of stats. Needs better moves though, B2/W2 helps, but not enough. Contrary will be fun.
Whimsicott: Prankster, that adorable fluffyness, who could say no? Kinda fun in game, shines in battles.
Amoonguss: This pun is too good. The only defensive spore user. Enough said.
Ferrothorn: Is Ferrothorn. Completely shamed the hell out of Foretress and stole Bronzong's lunch money.
Virizion: Shitty wireless but better than AT&T. FIOS owns. Also is special Breloom with worse movepool and abilities.
Bug/Grass Tier.
Leavanny: King/Queen/God Emperor/Empress of Bug/Grass Pokémon. It's actually usable despite the problems of this unholy paring.
Parasect: Is a zombie, it learns spore. I leveled one to level 80 something in Fire Red a few months back and things still went first and killed it. Still, it's a ZOMBIE MUSHROOM.
Wormadam: Count of hands: How many people in this thread forgot completely about this form? I thought so.
King of Shit Mountain:
Sunflora: Sunflora blows. Especially in Gen 2. I hate the thing. It's goofy stat distribution, It's weird first form, it's terrible movepool. Yes it can now technically kill everything with the right setup, but who can't? I do sort of like its design though.
So Awesome I Get to Mention it Twice:
Tropius: Alongside Mew, Golduck, Smeargle and a few others is an insanely useful HM Slave. Plus it has a cool Banana waddle thing and it's stats outside of speed really aren't that bad. I love this fucker.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Eh I find a lot of the cutest Pokemon are the first forms at least.
Good grief...why does Sharpedo have such a terrible movelist when it comes to leveling? Seems pretty shoddy (About as bad as his defense. Does he even have any?)
Good grief...why does Sharpedo have such a terrible movelist when it comes to leveling? Seems pretty shoddy (About as bad as his defense. Does he even have any?)
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Today is the day. The day is today where I will thwart this "unbreakable body" poison team to oblivion with the power of a nice Drizzle to the face and "fantastic technique"
Have at you.
Have at you.
Exterminieren
Banned
Ferrothorn is so great. Single-handedly pulled me through my White 2 playthrough.
EDIT: Right, the League begins in the anime on November 22nd. It's the first time that we're getting a League in the anime without any further games being announced, so what happens next is up in the air. I'm betting on either a Black Tower/ White Treehollow or a Pokemon World Tournament arc.
EDIT: Right, the League begins in the anime on November 22nd. It's the first time that we're getting a League in the anime without any further games being announced, so what happens next is up in the air. I'm betting on either a Black Tower/ White Treehollow or a Pokemon World Tournament arc.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I won to.
Exterminieren
Banned
Or maybe they'll go straight to the Gen VI region as a method of hyping people up for the surprise January release of the games!
Heh.
fast and powerful acrobatics.
tiggerkiddo
Member
*takes a look at its stats*
Yikes, I didn't really look before but that thing is pretty fast. How does it do it (Other than Chlorophyl)
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Fixed
HigherLevel
Member
I just started playing Soul Silver, I haven't really played Pokemon seriously since Crystal. I got into Diamond a little bit but it didn't pull me in like the old games. So I'm kind of out of the loop as to how everything works, but I was wondering if anyone could possibly hook me up with a Charizard or Squirtle? I love both of them but I don't even remember if they are obtainable in the G/S/C games.
Filler, lots and lots of filler
dakkumauji
Member
They are probably going to squeeze as much mileage out of the Black/White 2 locations as much as possible.
tiggerkiddo
Member
Adventures in the Ghost World.
ThatObviousUser
ὠαἴÏÏιÏÏÎ¿Ï Ïαá¿Ï εἶ
World Tournament could be amazing if they brought everyone back.
would watch just for Misty <3
tiggerkiddo
Member
If they brought back old characters...I don't know who I'd be interested in seeing. Maybe Steven? More Homika would be cool...there are a few others I wouldn't mind seeing.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
What happened to Gary?
*lol* I'd see Detective Conan ending long before Pokemon ever happens
tiggerkiddo
Member
So basically like taxes and the mail, the Pokemon anime will still go on, even in a nuclear fallout.