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PoliGAF Election Day 2008 Thread of A New Dawn in America (OBAMA ELECT)

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StorablePrawn said:
That's a sticky concept. The conservatives that don't have the "neo-" in front of their beliefs tend to support that amendment quite staunchly. It's about the government not getting involved in our lives.

Funny that the liberal democrats are the ones carrying that banner anyway, though.
Hey, librul activist judges even protected porno under the 1st amendment. PORNO! :D
 

yoopoo

Banned
What the folks on Fox And Friends like today? And The View? Hannity or Rush on right now?

Post updates from rr-bb.com too please. They don't allow proxies.
 

Fox318

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TheExodu5 said:
You Americans have really messed up Christians. I don't know a single Christian in Canada that is adamant about owning guns. Only my father and uncle own guns, but they're used for deer hunting and target shooting. Guns here are not associated to a religion.
Thank Ronald Reagan and to a lesser extent, Richard Nixon for that.
 

Zeliard

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TheExodu5 said:
You Americans have really messed up Christians. I don't know a single Christian in Canada that is adamant about owning guns. Only my father and uncle own guns, but they're used for deer hunting and target shooting. Guns here are not associated to a religion.

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Cheebs said:
No no no I realize they are good, great even. But like every poll showed places like Alaska and Oregon (especially Oregon wtf happened there?) were going to be easy wins. Stevens was down by over 10% this week and the Republican in Oregon had been in free fall for weeks. Minnesota being this tight or losing Georgia and the Kentucky seat...etc didn't surprise me. And I get Alaska is full of corrupt freaks....

But losing Oregon after the great polls there since the financial crisis is a bit hard to grasp.

Oregon isn't lost, ffs. Virtually all of the vote that still needs to be counted is Portland, Merkely is going to win.

Alaska is definitely disappointing but not surprising. Georgia and Minnesota aren't over yet.
 
Has anyone figured out why while Obama won a huge landslide victory that the senate/house wins were rather under expectations? It's a bit odd.

Give it a bit more time. There's still a lot of shuffling going on before we know the exact spreads.
 

Baker

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yoopoo said:
What the folks on Fox And Friends like today? And The View? Hannity or Rush on right now?

Post updates from rr-bb.com too please. They don't allow proxies.

I flipped on fox news this morning to get some laughs. Fox and Friends seemed pretty "normal" though during the two minutes I watched.
 

syllogism

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Cheebs said:
No no no I realize they are good, great even. But like every poll showed places like Alaska and Oregon (especially Oregon wtf happened there?) were going to be easy wins. Stevens was down by over 10% this week and the Republican in Oregon had been in free fall for weeks. Minnesota being this tight or losing Georgia and the Kentucky seat...etc didn't surprise me. And I get Alaska is full of corrupt freaks....

But losing Oregon after the great polls there since the financial crisis is a bit hard to grasp. That was a big shock to me, more shocking than Obama winning Indiana.
Actually Oregon is looking pretty good. There's still almost a million votes to count and they are mostly from heavily democratic areas as far as I can tell.
 

andthebeatgoeson

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I've got to dig thru more of that huffingtonpost link but I have more respect for McCain for this but I'm not sure the true extent of it:
McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright as a campaign issue. He had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism; Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons); and before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).

McCain was dumbfounded when Congressman John Lewis, a civil-rights hero, issued a press release comparing McCain with former Alabama Gov. George Wallace, a segregationist infamous for stirring racial fears. McCain had devoted a chapter to Lewis in one of his books, "Why Courage Matters" and had so admired Lewis that he had once taken his children to meet him.

Was McCain more principled than his campaign led me to believe? Was he just dumb? Picking Palin, of all people, leads me to think he's just dumb in a bad situation. Yeah, they couldn't equal the energy of Obama but McCain-Palin did not effectively convey their ideas outside of emotions. Their plans were non-existant. When Obama switched speeds and delved into the 'meat' of his plans during the second debate, McCain was still stuck with a retard for a VP pick and ineffective platform.

As a registered democrat, I'm sure the country would be willing to accept another conservative that doesn't pander to the religious minority. Hopefully, we'll get a few good republicans to rise to the top over the next few years.
 
Future said:
I never understood the praise for small towns (and belittling of big towns in the process) by republicans in this election. It just makes no sense strategy wise when the majority of voters that will decide elections are in the big towns.

And while people with higher incomes and better education started to be more balance in opinions, all this really shows is the difference in age. The younger you are, the poorer you are and the less education you have. And Obama captured the youth vote in spades, while still getting a large percent of upper middle class. Good shit
Look at the 2000 and 2004 electoral maps. Honestly, I think the strategy was evolved over time as a means of solidifying the base as much as possible. Rove perfected it.

Sure, the Democrtas were going to win the 'elite' coastal states with all of their big cities, but the conservative message (or at least the modern day one) really resonated with the heartland.

With the ideological realignment that's occurring thanks to W's abysmal approval rating, I think they saw as their last hope that they needed every single right-leaning individual out there to vote against Obama. If enthusiasm for McCain or distrust of Obama weren't enough, there was still one more weapon in the bag: playing up the cultural wars. Stress the divided America. Get people in those small towns who may not care too much about who the president is to believe that this isn't about electing a commander-in-chief, it's about an attack on YOUR values.

That alone was not enough this time.
 

Monroeski

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TheExodu5 said:
You Americans have really messed up Christians. I don't know a single Christian in Canada that is adamant about owning guns. Only my father and uncle own guns, but they're used for deer hunting and target shooting. Guns here are not associated to a religion.
In truth, the guns aren't necessarily associated with the religion, it's just that the major swaths of the country that have the most hardcore christians happens to overlap with the swaths that have the most gun owners.
 

GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
I hope someone saved a clip of CNN projecting Obama as the motherfacking president, I wanted to watch that moment but I was in my car driving as fast as I could back home.
 
Cheebs said:
No no no I realize they are good, great even. But like every poll showed places like Alaska and Oregon (especially Oregon wtf happened there?) were going to be easy wins. Stevens was down by over 10% this week and the Republican in Oregon had been in free fall for weeks. Minnesota being this tight or losing Georgia and the Kentucky seat...etc didn't surprise me. And I get Alaska is full of corrupt freaks....

But losing Oregon after the great polls there since the financial crisis is a bit hard to grasp. That was a big shock to me, more shocking than Obama winning Indiana.

The interesting thing is that dems won seats in swing states, former deep red states but lost a couple races in states that went Obama's way big time this year (Oregon and Minn)
 

FIREBABY

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lawblob said:
Yeah, I guess I over-reacted with that post. :lol

I blame the lack of sleep. But look, I get so god damn sick and tired of Republicans mindlessly spouting these inane platitudes, like "college educated people vote for the GOP," etc., when thats just NOT TRUE.

Go look at the exit polling data, college graduates went for Obama nationally. That's just reality.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/exit-polls.html
I'm not disputing that. Just the typical all white southerners is racist mantra. thats all. Hugs. Its a new day.
 
skinnyrattler said:
I've got to dig thru more of that huffingtonpost link but I have more respect for McCain for this but I'm not sure the true extent of it:




Was McCain more principled than his campaign led me to believe? Was he just dumb? Picking Palin, of all people, leads me to think he's just dumb in a bad situation. Yeah, they couldn't equal the energy of Obama but McCain-Palin did not effectively convey their ideas outside of emotions. Their plans were non-existant. When Obama switched speeds and delved into the 'meat' of his plans during the second debate, McCain was still stuck with a retard for a VP pick and ineffective platform.

As a registered democrat, I'm sure the country would be willing to accept another conservative that doesn't pander to the religious minority. Hopefully, we'll get a few good republicans to rise to the top over the next few years.


I think McCain was running a 'clean' campaign until he won the primaries and then the RNC and the republican big guys said to him, you are too liberal for us. he did everything the republicans wanted. I dont think he had control over his campaign, that speaks for itself when he chose Palin when he favoured Lieberman because some staffers said they would quit if he chose Lieberman.
 

Rur0ni

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Cheebs said:
No no no I realize they are good, great even. But like every poll showed places like Alaska and Oregon (especially Oregon wtf happened there?) were going to be easy wins. Stevens was down by over 10% this week and the Republican in Oregon had been in free fall for weeks. Minnesota being this tight or losing Georgia and the Kentucky seat...etc didn't surprise me. And I get Alaska is full of corrupt freaks....

But losing Oregon after the great polls there since the financial crisis is a bit hard to grasp. That was a big shock to me, more shocking than Obama winning Indiana.
I think the republican there aligned himself with Obama. Seemed it payed off a bit. ;)
 

Evlar

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_dementia said:
Bradley effect.
Oh sure those electoral college delegates SAY they'll vote for a black man for President but who knows what happens in the privacy of... wherever the Electoral College meets.
 
The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for the Democratic primary debates, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ... answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."

:lol
 

Cheebs

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PhoenixDark said:
The interesting thing is that dems won seats in swing states, former deep red states but lost a couple races in states that went Obama's way big time this year (Oregon and Minn)
I think this election, at least for congress proves Tip O'Neil, the nation's very best speaker of the house's famous saying true that all elections are local. The senators and congressmen who won really didn't win thanks to Obama coat-tails, but won cause of local related reasons.
 

AlexMogil

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Rapture ready said:
Does anyone know what the required action will be if Obama is assinated before he is sworn in? Also what does election law, or the constitution, say about the way to handle it if he is shown to be inneligible for the office? Does the succession rule that would give the presidency to Biden apply before Obama is sworn in or would we need a new election? Or a possible third scenario of McCain, with the second highest vote tally, being declared the winner instead?

Never change, rr.
 
Monroeski said:
In truth, the guns aren't necessarily associated with the religion, it's just that the major swaths of the country that have the most hardcore christians happens to overlap with the swaths that have the most gun owners.

Some people own guns for the hobby of it, some protection, and most both. The "bad guys" will always get weapons to use no matter what, so I dont see what the issue is.
 
You shouldn't be too sad about Oregon. From what I understand that guy is very moderate, he won't be an extreme obstructionist and if anything his win (Which was assisted by him embracing Barack Obama) might encourage other Republicans to move left and therefore not filibuster Obama's policies. I think we can count on Specter and Hagel too so things should be fine.
 
Monroeski said:
In truth, the guns aren't necessarily associated with the religion, it's just that the major swaths of the country that have the most hardcore christians happens to overlap with the swaths that have the most gun owners.

For some reason, said people can't see the difference between patriotism, politics, and religion.

The way the bible treats most monarchies, one would think it would be pretty clear how completely stupid that is.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
artredis1980 said:
well I believe Gay people should have all the rights that everyone has, its obvious they should, even Jesus would say they should. But when it comes to marriage? oh hell no!

Marriage at its core is to build a family and extend your family ALONG with confirming your love for the better half of you, and I believe (personal belief) that building a family means to conceive, and only a man and woman (scientifically) can do that.


Jesus wouldn't marry to gay people.
 

TheExodu5

Banned
I'm sorry, I'm Christian, but WTF:

There is still hope. While I absolutely do not approve of assination, there is a good chance of someone trying it before he is sworn in or shortly after.

Maybe I can see where you atheists obtain your vitriol.

This man is not a Christian. He is extremely misguided. Nowhere, I say, nowhere in the New Testament would it ever hope for assassination or for harm to befall another. Christians are supposed to be passive! WWJD you tards. W/e.
 

greepoman

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Cheebs said:
I think this election, at least for congress proves Tip O'Neil, the nation's very best speaker of the house's famous saying true that all elections are local. The senators and congressmen who won really didn't win thanks to Obama coat-tails, but won cause of local related reasons.

CNN went through and proved this as well. All the places where Democrats picked up seats, they actually outperformed Obama for their state. So if anything, their coat-tails might have helped Obama.
 

iapetus

Scary Euro Man
Agent Ironside said:
Some people own guns for the hobby of it, some protection, and most both. The "bad guys" will always get weapons to use no matter what, so I dont see what the issue is.

The issue is that the absolutely fucking batshit insane who wouldn't always get weapons to use no matter what are loading up on them because a black man got elected president and the rapture is coming.
 
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