Mr.Phoenix
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PS5 Pro developer verdict: ‘I didn’t meet a single person that understood the point of it’
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PS5 Pro isn't gonna give you games at native 4k60fps
Developers aren't gonna stop using scaling methods
So stop with the "the games runs at 1080p bla,bla,bla
When the base resolution is that and it being upscale to 4k.
It done by design and the Devs ain't gonna change that, it's easier for them to do that then actually spend months optimising the game to run flawless at a native resolution and stable framerate.
The hardware isn't the problem, it time & effort.
And you go and present a more powerful console to them they are obviously gonna say "what's that for
"
Because they don't need more powerful hardware because they aren't using what they got, you're just assuming they are because of what they put out.
Hardware isn't the problem.
Developers aren't gonna stop using scaling methods
So stop with the "the games runs at 1080p bla,bla,bla
When the base resolution is that and it being upscale to 4k.
It done by design and the Devs ain't gonna change that, it's easier for them to do that then actually spend months optimising the game to run flawless at a native resolution and stable framerate.
The hardware isn't the problem, it time & effort.
And you go and present a more powerful console to them they are obviously gonna say "what's that for
"Because they don't need more powerful hardware because they aren't using what they got, you're just assuming they are because of what they put out.
Hardware isn't the problem.
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FunkMiller
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Zuzu
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It probably isn't as needed as the PS4 Pro & Xbox One X but there's still good reasons for it to exist. The primary reason is to provide more performance modes that have good image quality and graphical fidelity (and to further improve 30fps/quality modes). Another reason is to improve ray-tracing fidelity which is quite rudimentary in these consoles. And a final reason is to introduce PSSR into Playstation hardware. By introducing it now it might help them to build and refine the technology over the next four years so that it can be much more mature technology for the PS6.
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64bitmodels
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Kokoloko85
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PS5 Pro is probably happening. People need to get over it. If you dont like it, stfu and dont buy it, simple. It doesnt effect your life or gaming experience one bit if its happening.
For people Who want it, its good news
For people Who want it, its good news
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Gaiff
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I understand discussing your grievances with it and why you don't like it, this is what discussions are for, but those bitching just to bitch can take a hike.
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THE DUCK
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I understand why they would say that, but as a competitive company, why would sony open the door to another company releasing a drastically more power full machine?
Let's just play what if - say sony had zero plans for a pro and intended to do nothing. Does that not at least open the door to a series z or Nintendo console that suddenly destroys the ps5 in terms of raw power? Why chance it.
Let's just play what if - say sony had zero plans for a pro and intended to do nothing. Does that not at least open the door to a series z or Nintendo console that suddenly destroys the ps5 in terms of raw power? Why chance it.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
The 40 series is still on numbers game, a fps raiser, there is nothing special up to this moment about it. What I'm trying to say is when real current gen games hit the market, it's gonna be too late.
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64bitmodels
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Radical_3d
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ReBurn
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People sure are propping up GTA VI as the killer app for PS5 Pro. I'm looking forward to the complaints that the weaker base PS5 is holding back the PS5 Pro version in some way.
paolo11
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How? I thought it won’t improve frame rate on quality mode? Do you mean PsSr on quality mode?
diffusionx
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I don't think this gives the juice you think it does. Here is DF's post on Returnal PC vs. PS5:
Returnal's PC port is good - but it could be great
The Digital Foundry verdict on the PC port of Housemarque's PS5 masterpiece.
www.eurogamer.net
It's funny because he even says "look at the jump in image quality", and looking at the provided screenshot, it's like, "yea... Ok, I see it, but who cares really"
And sure some do, but this takes me back to my original point. The PS4 Pro upgrade was obvious and easy to sell, and coincided with 4K TVs. If screenshot comparisons like what are in that article is what they have to sell the PS5 Pro on, they don't have much.
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asdasdasdbb
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But it would if the PS5 Pro would let you design the game for the base consoles @ 30 fps since there's enough people out there who insist on 60 fps.
Seems the Pro simply isn't fast enough to guarantee that.
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Pagusas
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They won't release a Pro system without content to support it, an FF7 Rebirth Pro Profile will be low hanging fruit to update.
OuterLimits
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This has been true in every generation though I believe? Typically you haven't seen games pushing the console to the max until late in the gen. Not just from 3rd party releases, but 1st party software as well.
Granted, I jumped into last gen when the Pro launched and since I anticipated Sony might do a mid gen pro again, I have been waiting for its re!ease to join this gen.(which is fine since I have a backlog of PS4/Switch games).
Overall the PS4 Pro was a good console but mine often was loud enough to rival a vacuum cleaner when playing some games. ). I imagine those with a PSVR benefited the most from the upgrade though.
Of course the PS4 Pro was considerably cheaper at launch than the PS5 Pro will be. Perhaps by $150 or even $200. That is fairly significant and I imagine that will impact sales to an extent. I can understand why 3rd party developers aren't exactly excited about it, especially since the Pro will only be a small % of the total PS5 sold.
Neofire
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I can't stand devs that try to speak for everyone. We don't know what the hell people have allegedly told you or even if the ps5 is their main platform or not. It's like he's trying to sike people out in hopes people won't buy it.
Unfortunately for him the pro version of the ps4 only accounted for about 20% of units sold and so I'm sure Sony isn't releasing it to outsell the base ps5. Its strictly for enthusiast that want a version that pushes the boundaries further for what the console can do.
Unfortunately for him the pro version of the ps4 only accounted for about 20% of units sold and so I'm sure Sony isn't releasing it to outsell the base ps5. Its strictly for enthusiast that want a version that pushes the boundaries further for what the console can do.
I understand discussing your grievances with it and why you don't like it, this is what discussions are for, but those bitching just to bitch can take a hike.
They're putting resources on a stupid refresh nobody wanted/needed instead of investing in games. They don't have any 1st party games coming, they abandoned the PSVR2 and Bungie left a hole of a few billion with nothing to show for it.
It is really a stupid decision, added to the string of stupid decisions, they should be grateful of MS incompetence to take advantage of the situation.
Topher
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Nobody wants PS5 Pro? You sure? Cuz I'm seeing quite a few folks on this forum saying they want the thing. The vast majority are going to stick with PS5 just like folks did with PS4, but that doesn't mean there isn't a market for this.
HeisenbergFX4
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James Sawyer Ford
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German Hops
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When did they confirm this?
Putonahappyface
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Eiknarf
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Oh interesting.. I didn’t know that.
So is the thinking that the PS5 Pro will account for less, about the same, or more than the 20% that the PS4 Pro sold?
Any Questions
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Scrolling down and yup. This is it
Topher
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He made that up
Salty Popsicle
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Then explain how Cyberpunk 2077 is available to purchase on Xbox One and PS4 (2012 era GPU/CPU) and yet simultaneously one of the most impressive looking games even at this point with the most advanced lighting system of any game on the market (Path-tracing on capable PC hardware).
HeisenbergFX4
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Possibly a showcase game when the Pro is revealed
Putonahappyface
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Unless the thing sucks me off while I play, I think I'm good.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Please don't be insomniac.
Topher
Gold Member
A 500 fps gpu, that's what I'm talking about.
You sound like a pc gamer with a premium setup.
When you have more powerful consoles the developer has to put less time and effort to achieve a similar result with less optimisation. There is the QA tradeoff though and ultimately that may not make as much sense when you have 2 SKUs but suggesting developers put in more time and effort into development with the ballooning development costs isn't going to happen. The alternative is to brute force it with hardware.PS5 Pro isn't gonna give you games at native 4k60fps
Developers aren't gonna stop using scaling methods
So stop with the "the games runs at 1080p bla,bla,bla
When the base resolution is that and it being upscale to 4k.
It done by design and the Devs ain't gonna change that, it's easier for them to do that then actually spend months optimising the game to run flawless at a native resolution and stable framerate.
The hardware isn't the problem, it time & effort.
And you go and present a more powerful console to them they are obviously gonna say "what's that for
Because they don't need more powerful hardware because they aren't using what they got, you're just assuming they are because of what they put out.
Hardware isn't the problem.
FunkMiller
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Games aren’t all about looks.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Ok, then describe a restriction to something other than visuals that has held back games?
Neofire
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PS4 Pro sold 14.3 million as of Jan 2020 - does this make a compelling case to continue with the strategy?
Source: https://www.installbaseforum.com/forums/threads/sales-numbers-for-every-ps4-and-ps5-era-playstation-first-party-games-have-been-leaked.2215/post-216754 Data as of Jan 2020 Details Disc Retail, Bundled, and Digital Disc and Bundled- SIEA: 11th Jan 2020 SIEE: 12th Jan 2020 SIEJA: 12th...
FunkMiller
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Programming for weaker hardware means you can’t push the boundaries when it comes to things like npc ai, destructible environments, physics engines, animation quality, scenario complexity… etc.
That’s why we hear so many correct complaints that games now feel no more advanced than ones on Ps360.
Flashy visuals mean next to nothing in terms of actual gameplay and game design.
If you’ve got to program for the dumb machines, the smart ones get hamstrung.
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Most games even the unreleased yet are considered old, we still haven't reached the theoretical benefits of 8c/16th, it's basically the number of cores will benefit the game incrementally, it's proven on other uses, but not yet on games, unless we get over this issue consoles will still look underpowered, I'm not brain farting, these are all facts.
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