Gunstar Ikari
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Looks like the boxart leaked
I giggled way more than I should have.
Looks like the boxart leaked
For a forum where everybody proclaims themselves as a gaming know-it-all I am so surprised at how the majority of GAF has no fucking idea about how games are actually developed.
We still don't got a Battle Network clone!
We still don't got a Battle Network clone!
Real talk, it would take a lot to convince me "not" to fund a Battle Network clone.
I would pay up to $200 for BN7. Easily.
To hell with the Star Force games.
Errrrweird , no one post that screenshot of Kamiya's opinion about Inafune , lets post it an....
.This was bait, wasnt it?
I am happy it gets made though, but it seems really shady. The whole Red Ash KS, the things that happened before (KS for voice acting for MN9, anime-deal, live action deal)...
Real talk, it would take a lot to convince me "not" to fund a Battle Network clone.
I would pay up to $200 for BN7. Easily.
To hell with the Star Force games.
Exactly this. Like why are you guys comparing a 2 week prototype to something that's been worked on for months as if they're even remotely equivalent?
So then why didn't they put together something better before hand? Also, lets forget how poorly this KS was run in the first place where once this was a prologue to sell a full game to publishers, but then for $50 forna day you got the full game as well, that the prologue was a full 6-8 hour game at $800k funding with additional content as stretch goals, but then official updates paint the prologue as 6-8 hours, less if stretch goals aren't hit.
This thing was something they never expected to put together and I think that's part of why people are being harsh on it. They came in expecting to be fully funded and past most stretch goals in the first week and, when that didn't happen, they have floundered grasping at whatever straws that might get them press and more funds. This, as you and others have said, rushed together prototype further supports that notion.
They got the publisher after it started looking like the ks would fail. The ks was originally for a 8 hour game, not a demo or prototype.What a bizarre Kickstarter. Comcept we able to secure full funding from a publisher that let them keep the rights to the IP, and still wanted fans to pay for a demo/prototype? And it's not like the success of the Kickstarter was what drove the publishing deal, the campaign is a failure by all accounts.
Whatever. Whole thing feels shady. Hope a good game comes out of it in the end.
Yeah the whole thing is shady. I'm glad it's getting made but I pulled my pledge and bill just buy it when it comes out.What a bizarre Kickstarter. Comcept we able to secure full funding from a publisher that let them keep the rights to the IP, and still wanted fans to pay for a demo/prototype? And it's not like the success of the Kickstarter was what drove the publishing deal, the campaign is a failure by all accounts.
Whatever. Whole thing feels shady. Hope a good game comes out of it in the end.
I believe the word they used was "prologue," it wasn't for a full game. And we don't really know when they decided to look for a publisher or what the plan was from the beginning, they only state that they've been in negotiations with partners alongside the Kickstarter to secure additional funding.They got the publisher after it started looking like the ks would fail. The ks was originally for a 8 hour game, not a demo or prototype.
I believe the word they used was "prologue," it wasn't for a full game. And we don't really know when they decided to look for a publisher or what the plan was from the beginning, they only state that they've been in negotiations with partners alongside the Kickstarter to secure additional funding.
They also equate their new publisher to backers, which is pretty disingenuous. One has a publishing contract where they stand to profit, the other is a donation.
Bickering between fans of different subseries is the worst thing about Mega Man fans.
Is this attack necessary? Bickering between fans of different subseries is the worst thing about Mega Man fans.
I initially misread the thread title as "Red Ash: The Kickstarter Incident" and now I feel like that's a more fitting thread title.
To go a bit further. A kickstarter by professional developers asking for next to a million dollars needs to have a professional kickstarter with working prototypes and extensive concept art. Something like that was excusable for maybe a kickstarter with half the budget.
Here is a more accurate representation of the problem.
Yooka Laylee Kickstarter Day 1 asking for $270,000
Red Ash Day 25 asking for $800,000
This is the stupidest, most unfair comparison I've seen today.
MML was a finished game. That Red Ash bit is from a pre-Alpha prototype put together in two weeks. This isn't apple and oranges. You're comparing apples to orange seeds here.
This comparison is almost worse than that "diminishing returns" screenshot or the Uncharted 3 Chloe comparison. One of these examples had locked funding from the start and a prototype that had been worked on for months. The other is a playable scrap of development put together in very little time during the closing days a Kickstarter.
Yookalaylee really did a number on skewing the average joe's perception of how much game development costs and how much time it takes to make. You think YL had that gameplay made for free?
That yooka laylee gif is from an alpha version of a game that had already been in development for months, the red ash one is a pre-alpha prototype (prototypes arent built upon they are made quickly to figure out how the game will work) and had only been in development for a week.
this pleases me.
KS fail but I still like the idea of a mml spiritual successor
8 hours long? Mega Man Legends Lite.
I also like the idea of it, but eh, the execution...
I have never heard of this FUZE Entertainment. How many games did they publish?
The website has an English version, you can switch it in the top right. Do it and go to the products page and prepare to laugh your ass off. There's a "story" thing where someone who I'm guessing is the CEO says he was upset by the ban of game consoles in China and wants to release his own with "real" games on it and disparages the advent of mobile games.
http://www.fuzegame.tv/e/product.php
From: http://www.fuzegame.tv/story/index-n.htmlElectronic opium, psychiatric drugs, break all of my dreams
Inafune met FUZE at E3 this year, but they approached them only after the KS started. Comcept wanted to make Red Ash no matter what, so if the Kickstarter failed, they would find a different way. They were hoping to entice investors with the attention they were getting from the KS, even if it failed. They didn’t necessarily try to hurry up the deal since the KS was still at 50% for some time. The timing happened to work out nicely and then we made the announcement. The timing really wasn’t up to them, it was in the investor’s court. And the [stretch] goals will go out before the KS’s end for sure.
This part is delightful:looks like kotaku covered it lmao
http://kotaku.com/the-red-ash-kickstarter-is-a-disaster-1721094852
What kind of stretch goals? Says the update (emphasis mine):
In other words: ¯\_(ツ_/¯The Kickstarter campaign is going 100% towards more content! Consider your pledge a contribution to stretch goals from here on out.
Exactly what are those stretch goals? Were sorry to say that will have to wait a little while longer! Like we said, were very busy with many behind-the-scenes things over here, and we apologize if you feel left in the dark. As you can see, the things we have brewing that are keeping us occupied are BIG, and all for the purpose of getting you RED ASH in its biggest, bestest form. Thats the reason were less communicative than wed like to be!
We know were in the final days of our campaign, but wed like to ask fans to continue their support of RED ASH! Your money is going towards 100% content now, so please look forward to the revised stretch goals!
Im happy this got funded, cuz no way in hell did they show anything to the public that should have been funded, especially up against the Yooka Laylee kickstarter.
Red Ash Day 25
Is this a fan made?
What is this from?
What I am SEVERELY concerned about is a thought I had. What if the Fuze partnership is dependent on them fronting the $400,000 existing pledges at the end of the month? If this is the case, it would be VERY concerning for them to not know that NOT meeting the minimum amount would mean a refund for all backers, and that could land ComCept in dept to Fuze by $400,000 and either destroy the deal or land them in hot water in some other way.
There is no better depiction of the situation than this gif right here in my opinion. lol.
What I am SEVERELY concerned about is a thought I had. What if the Fuze partnership is dependent on them fronting the $400,000 existing pledges at the end of the month? If this is the case, it would be VERY concerning for them to not know that NOT meeting the minimum amount would mean a refund for all backers, and that could land ComCept in dept to Fuze by $400,000 and either destroy the deal or land them in hot water in some other way.
If that were the case, this would really be 'The Kickstarter Incident'...
I'm guessing they know how Kickstarter works.
Yooka Laylee Kickstarter Day 1 asking for $270,000
Red Ash Day 25 asking for $800,000
Then I would strongly urge you to withdraw your pledge while there's still time, lolSo the most confusing Kickstarter I've seen got even more confusing. I have even less understanding of what I backed than ever.
People just pull out your money if you supported this and be done with it. The most logical thing to do at this point.
Because shit costs money and not everybody is willing or capable to dump X amount into a project that might not see the light of day. Playtonic probably had investors helping them with their earlier prototype. That shouldn't be the standard going forward.
They definitely bungled the campaign but stuff like "Why isn't this prototype better?" feels less of a reflection on them due to dead obvious time and budget constraints, and more of one of the fans due to the public reaction.