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Rise of the Tomb Raider Cutscenes are 1440*1080, not 900p
- Thread starter Kezen
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Finally someone got it why I wrote that nonsense
But funny that others started to explain the pixel count hahaI wrote that to refer that this is just nitpicking and playing with the numbers...play the game, who is playing won't notice that tiny detail loss from couch distance
Of course native resolution is the best but you are overreacting this resolution subject every time since The Order
thelastword
Banned
1600*900 vs 1440*1080 is hardly significant, the game will still look blurry and it's still upscaled. The only reason I can see they opted for 1440*1080 is because "1080" is still part of the equation and therefore more palatable for PR purposes. It will be interesting to see if these cutscenes never drops frames from 30fps.
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Not in Tomb Raider, but they still are in some games like from Naughty Dog.
Between 900p and 1080pr I still don't know which one Gaf despises the most after all this time.
In one hand, 900p provides a neatly scalable 16:9 image, which looks in place when upscaled to FullHD. But in the other hand, 1080pr, despite having the marketing power of making people believe it is i fact FullHD 1080p, it is a square missing a couple bajillion pixels on each side.
Oh boy.
The console wars were never so entertaining. Thank you Tomb Raider on Xbox one, you're a good chap. Now please be back a year later on PS4 and bring some more pixels along, maybe also a few frames more, or fewer is also ok. Either way, we're gonna be here waiting.
In one hand, 900p provides a neatly scalable 16:9 image, which looks in place when upscaled to FullHD. But in the other hand, 1080pr, despite having the marketing power of making people believe it is i fact FullHD 1080p, it is a square missing a couple bajillion pixels on each side.
Oh boy.
The console wars were never so entertaining. Thank you Tomb Raider on Xbox one, you're a good chap. Now please be back a year later on PS4 and bring some more pixels along, maybe also a few frames more, or fewer is also ok. Either way, we're gonna be here waiting.
What a way to complicate things.
1440 is 3/4 of 1920, therefore, 1920x1080 is 33% bigger or 1440x1080 is 25% smaller.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Is there a reason why so much misinformation about this particular game keeps being spread in the media that it continually requires Brian's clarification?
Never seen this happen so often on any other game.
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Never seen this happen so often on any other game.
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giancarlo123x
Banned
The shit I read on here sometimes.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
4:3 is back baby
thelastword
Banned
Are cutscenes not in engine and part of the game?
Nearly every cut scene is real-time. It wouldn't save any space in this case.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
But the most important part of the game, you know, playing the actual game, is full 1080p. You don't play Tomb Raider to watch cutscenes.
Sounds good. Sounds like the cutscenes are pretty strenuous on the engine itself, so a drop makes sense.
I wonder what it'll be like on PS4 and PC.
And also, i wonder if 360 has the same resolution drop in cutscenes
*edit* i'm a dumbass, 360 cutscenes are only pre-rendered versions of the XB1 game condensed down to 720p. I completely forgot even though we found out just yesterday
I wonder what it'll be like on PS4 and PC.
And also, i wonder if 360 has the same resolution drop in cutscenes
*edit* i'm a dumbass, 360 cutscenes are only pre-rendered versions of the XB1 game condensed down to 720p. I completely forgot even though we found out just yesterday
thelastword
Banned
Yes, that's fair, only discussing the OP though......
I think it's clear that the PC version will run as well as the hardware can support.
I would not be surprised if the PS4 version delivered 1080p across cutscenes and gameplay *BUT* at 30fps rather than the unlocked frame-rate of Definitive Edition. Would be great to see them try for 60fps on PS4 but I would be surprised if they could pull it off.
I suspect the 360 version will run at sub-720p throughout the game. Maybe I'm wrong, though, haven't seen it yet.
Was that revealed somewhere? Can't wait to get my hands on it to see what they've done. Pre-rendering the XO scenes makes sense, though, but I would have preferred to see them try their hand at real-time scenes on 360.
Well aware of that, i mean just in terms of performance in general, how optimized it will be with that kind of cut-scene disparity in performance between gameplay ECT. Please be done by Nixxes, so we can not worry about that
Your a pretty smart tech guy, apparently all the volumetric lighting on XB1 is being done through asynch compute. Given PS4's huge compute advantage in this area, what say you about the performance benefits?
I would not mind if they had unlocked fps for gameplay and maybe locked 30 for cut-scenes....again, please be done by Nixxes. I actually trust them with the polish of the game far more than the actual devs.
I'm pretty sure i heard that yesterday from a source playing the game...but your making me doubt myself, let me find the source
The 360 sku has Xbox One cutscenes (pre-rendered). The leaked 360 gameplay revealed that.
derp. nvm?
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Yeah, so the hair quality gives it away I think.
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Neat. Didn't see this before (snow tess) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEO1qrD8MNw
BronsonLee
Member
I know that; could've phrased that one a bit better on my part. Was a weird tangent there for a second.
VHS can store 240p60 or 60Hz 480i though.
Two years in?
Time seems right for this gen's equivalent of Halo 3 water to hit the Xbox.
Hehe
Viva Pinata
edit: erm... although I guess that was just the patch tess for the garden, no deformation.3rdamention
Member
It's a story based adventure game, you actually do play to watch the cut scenes to see what the heck is going on story wise...
SmartWaffles
Member
Rendered as that resolution and then stretched to 1920x1080. The source image is the wrong aspect ratio then stretched to 16:9, this way it retains a full 1080 pixels vertical resolution thus has better image quality than, say 1600x900. At 1440x1080 the final output quality is fairly close to full 1080p to untrained eyes.
Pixels don't need to be square (although it is kind of hip, I hear).
They just adjust the FOV independently. It's a similar deal with anamorphic widescreen movies.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Was talking to a friend earlier and I hadn't noticed myself
Is there actually any marketing for this game ?
Is there actually any marketing for this game ?
Huh? Weren't they compressed FMVs?
You can also have a pixel aspect ratio. In this case the image is stretched horizontally so the pixels are wider, thereby filling a 16:9 screen space.
I'm mostly referring to semi-tacky but expressive realtime surface deformation. Looking at Lara dash about in the snow there gives similar vibes to splishy-splashing in Halo 3.Viva Pinata
They render a squished image, then stretch it out.
Basically, the GPU might render an image that, if it were interpreted as a bitmap on a square pixel grid, looks like this:
Then they scale it horizontally into the final aspect ratio, and the result looks correctly unsquished.
thelastword
Banned
I've been playing some PC games lately and some of these low rez cutscenes look really bad. Every game should do their videos in-engine and at proper aspect ratios.
HoodWinked
Member
lots of drive by comments which i think are getting the wrong idea.
first of all there are alot of games where cut scenes have drops in framerate for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkB8gpPzMkw
this is because cut scenes may use higher quality assets jacked up LoD so things look good. well this causes some frame drops.
tomb raider was doing a GOOD THING by dropping it down to 1600x900 so that the cut scenes run smoothly. The good thing is that they've done some engineering work and now are able to push the resolution up to 1440x1080 which is a modest improvement in pixels.
The gameplay itself is supposedly 1920x1080.
For scaling images it really depends.
1600x900 upscaled to 1920x1080 will pretty much degrade the whole image but its a consistent degradation. 1440x1080 upscaled to 1920x1080 will only scale horizontally so you get image distortion in some places less in others.
first of all there are alot of games where cut scenes have drops in framerate for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkB8gpPzMkw
this is because cut scenes may use higher quality assets jacked up LoD so things look good. well this causes some frame drops.
tomb raider was doing a GOOD THING by dropping it down to 1600x900 so that the cut scenes run smoothly. The good thing is that they've done some engineering work and now are able to push the resolution up to 1440x1080 which is a modest improvement in pixels.
The gameplay itself is supposedly 1920x1080.
For scaling images it really depends.
1600x900 upscaled to 1920x1080 will pretty much degrade the whole image but its a consistent degradation. 1440x1080 upscaled to 1920x1080 will only scale horizontally so you get image distortion in some places less in others.
FunkyDealer
Banned
I'm assuming the cutscenes are real-time rendered then. I'm fine with this, it's a much nicer resolution than 900p.
If you liked the first one, you should probably get this. If you didn't (that's me), you really shouldn't.
FunkyDealer
Banned
At least as good, it's got a greater focus on the titular tombs though so hopefully it'll be even better.
FunkyDealer
Banned
It's a shame that's still the best water in the series. Hopefully Halo 6 can outdo it.
freefornow
Gold Member
Does ONE really need to ask?
GravityInsanity
Member
sounds good, too bad they delayed it on PC otherwise I'd be buying my first game this holiday season :/
Keihart
Member
I'm mostly referring to semi-tacky but expressive realtime surface deformation. Looking at Lara dash about in the snow there gives similar vibes to splishy-splashing in Halo 3.
They render a squished image, then stretch it out.
Basically, the GPU might render an image that, if it were interpreted as a bitmap on a square pixel grid, looks like this:
Then they scale it horizontally into the final aspect ratio, and the result looks correctly unsquished.
That looks like Driveclub i think...
.stealth Driveclub 1080p brag?
It's time for a halo volleyball game. :>
Covies should bring out a new Ghost variant that works on water for some bojo wave racing.