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Rumor: Wii U final specs
- Thread starter EatChildren
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Someone make a thread on this: http://gimmegimmegames.com/2012/09/amd-rep-says-wii-u-uses-custom-radeon-e6760-gpu/
EDIT: Oh wait, that came from GAF lol. Nvm.
EDIT: Oh wait, that came from GAF lol. Nvm.
0.5 tflops vs 2+tflops?
EDIT: hd8000 series(last rumour)
Yeah, that would be sweet, but Sony will not be doing another $600+ console, or there will be no more Sony.
Glorified G
Member
What does Sony going with an HD8000 have any connection with a $600 console? Do you know why the PS3 cost that much in the first place? It had nothing to do with the gpu.
Aren't the Orbis/Durango rumored to feature a 8000 series GPU ?
I hope so !
The rumor from yesterday yes, but it's also rumored 7xxx, we'll have to see when they get announced.
Whoa, easy...sorry, you can have your hd8000. Dream away...
XtremeXpider
Member
Credit is for the Spanish guy on Vandal forum.
frankie_baby
Member
A 3x flops differential really ain't that bad at all considering in the current gen it was like 15x
XtremeXpider
Member
Was Xbox 360 15x flops against Xbox1?
lostinblue
Banned
Try 20x.
And no way Sony/Microsoft are going to put a top range gpu into a console, just imagine the cooling and watt needs for it. Even if they pull a top part they'll limit it by a lot, both physically as in clock.
Technically more than that seeing the Xbox had some serious bottlenecking.
But yes; 12 Gflops would be peak performance for the gpu part. (the total GFlops would be a little higher due to the cpu, but if we took that into account making a comparison would be way more dificult seeing this gen came up with crappy performers with lots of floating point power and they're hardly ever directly used for graphics, so...)
A great point that we all should not overlook. And, the e6760 will be customized, so I think the Wii U will be closer to a perceived 1tflops than we currently assume. This is why Nintendo has officially stated that the Wii U will compete graphically in the next gen war. Unless we want to think of Nintendo as a bunch of liars, we should keep that statement in the back of our minds when we speculate on the GPU's power.
My best guess for the next gen consoles, considering that flops are not created equal,
Wii U - 0.8 - 1 tflops
Orbis / Durango - 1.2 - 1.5 tflops
This would be a good thing if all 3 are close in power.
If this is the case, we will have a nice little console battle, one that we have not seen in years. This simply means that, we, the consumers, win.
XtremeXpider
Member
A flop is a flop, isn't?
But the last rumour saying HD8000 GPUs on next gen don't fill those 1.2~1.5 tflops...
lostinblue
Banned
I think taking compete too literally is not a good idea.
Thing is getting out there soon enough might make them the minimum denominator, and having a appropriate feature set and modern stuff like Tesselation units can certainly decrease the difference.
But it'll be there nonetheless.
It is, but at the same time it can be bottlenecked or not, if it has lots of bottlenecks then you'll be wasting them on stupid places.
For instance, Xbox 1 only did 4 textures per pass, GC did 8 and they needed them all the time; so GC didn't have to re-render anything whereas they had to do the polygon trick and draw the whole scene on top of itself a second time; that would effectively halve the practical performance.
That's just an example though, there's lot's of ways of taking advantage of GFlops, and loosing them cheaply.
One is the difference between SM3.0 and SM4.0 or SM4.0 to SM5.0; since they allow so much more instructions to be ran per cycle; it doesn't matter if you have more GFlops, if you are taking advantage of it in one platform and not on the other then one is getting it easy and the other one is wasting lots of resources due to the fact that it needs more to pull less.
I really hope this is SM5.0.
Even if it is really from AMD, why would they tell someone no where near the engineering of this part such sensitive info that their customer(Nintendo) wants to be kept secret?
No. Architecture makes all the difference. This is why AMD flops do not equal NVIDIA flops, etc..
As noted above, the E6760 performed better than an older AMD card with more flops.
As for the HD8000 rumor comment - the dev kits for the other two guys have been out for a while, and are probably pretty close to what we will see. I doubt they are using a newer 8000 series GPU, I would bet on the 7000, like the majority of other rumors are claiming.
The dreamer in me wants an 8000 series, but I have to be realistic.
Gotta admit, it took me by surprise even if I'm posting in it a lot.
Protip: Unless it comes from the horse's mouth, keep it in these threads, especially when confirmation comes from something as easy to fake as a email screen snap. (Not saying it was faked, but authenticity can be challenged easily on something like that.)
See: Wii U Entertainment System of JPN Nintendo site fake from a WUSTer earlier in the year.
XtremeXpider
Member
But FLOP mean " floating-point operations per second", you can't say 1flop = 3flops, the architecture can have better performance on several aspects and affect the result, but a flop is a flop.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
I had to!
I find it interesting that these rumor threads are usually filled with skepticism whenever the Wii U specs are reasonably decent.
SquiddyCracker
Banned
Because a Gaffer got the same e-mail response.
He might have lied, but as he is a gaffer his account is at risk so I'm willing to trust he's not faking it.
FLOP is a FLOP, but architecture can heavily affect how it's calculated. It's nowhere even close to an accurate measure of performance when comparing two GPUs of different architecture (ie. 4850 vs E6760).
Only reason GAF takes FLOPs as gospel is that quote made by Epic about 1+TFLOPs, etc.
In the sense that a flop equals performance, you could (like how the e6760 outperformed a higher flop card). That was what I was trying to get at in the context of what was asked.
Sorry for the oversimplification, and poor explanation.
XtremeXpider
Member
Performance (results) are better on newer GPUs, even with the same flops... Is it right?
Dev kits could have a 7000 series but specced higher than the expected 8000 series, they aren't that different are they?
KojiKnight
Member
As a self proclaimed Nintendo fanboy I can tell you why... Because 9/10 the lower spec rumors tend to be true... Hurtful, but honest.
I really wonder how people don't get this when the same thing was said in a lot of the Wii U threads up until now. Whatever GPU is specified as a base is never the same thing in the final product, as optimizations, concessions and improvements for the time period they're developed are the meat of the GPU part's developments before a console's lunch.
I see that as well.
XtremeXpider
Member
^ This.
Except when everyone is sure about 1GB, and it turns out to be 2GB, except that right? Or when everyone is sure about the price, except that one too, right?
Sounds about right to me.
Again, the E6760 is more powerful than a Radeon HD4850, even though the E6760 is 576GFLOPs vs 4850's 1TFLOP.
Kacho
Member
I'm glad someone said it.
KojiKnight
Member
Go back and read the rumors, for the last year it was "between 1 to 1.5GB available for Devs". That's exactly what we got... Please try not to revise history just so it suits your arguement better.
Don't forget there where people that was sure the Wii U wouldn't use a GPGPU and than it gets confirmed that it will.
Thanks, I had too. I also see if it's a bad rumor about the PS4 or Xbox 720 people say "yeah this rumor is not true at all" but if it's a good rumor about them it's "this is true for sure" but that's what I see, I don't know about you guys.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Gotta admit, it took me by surprise even if I'm posting in it a lot.
Protip: Unless it comes from the horse's mouth, keep it in these threads, especially when confirmation comes from something as easy to fake as a email screen snap. (Not saying it was faked, but authenticity can be challenged easily on something like that.)
See: Wii U Entertainment System of JPN Nintendo site fake from a WUSTer earlier in the year.
I still feel sort of bad about defectivereject.
I have read the rumors, and I am doing nothing of the sort. Quite the opposite.
Your claim about the weaker specs always being true 90% of the time has not been the case at all for the Wii U so far. Get over it already.
Yeah usually when there is a bad Wii U spec rumor a developer denies it.
That's good, I miss the days when people where fair on all companies...
Zoramon089
Banned
Lol, you're going to look pretty dumb when other people try and get the same thing I did
The Wii U has games that require a Wii controller. It even comes with a game that uses it.
It comes with a game that requires it for multiplayer.
But that's like saying you needed a second Wiimote to play multiplayer on Wii Sports.
Teletraan1
Banned
There are people in every camp that do this. There are also level headed people in all the camps. You are only seeing what you want and don't find issue with things you agree with. So please don't try to pass this off as some sort of universal truth.