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Russians accused of attempting a coup in Montenegro to thwart NATO accession

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chadskin

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In order to overthrow the government of Montenegro, conspirators planned to kill Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic, said the country’s special affairs prosecutor Milivoje Katnich on November 6. According to investigators, Djukanovic was to be shot dead by a sniper on election day (October 16, 2016). This is why the Prime Minister was being spied on by conspirators. Afterwards, they hoped to overtake the Parliament of Montenegro. It was also planned that 500 Serbian militants and activists would penetrate the country and one of the opposition parties was to take hold of power. Katnich did not specify which one. According to newspaper Kommersant, however, this was to be pro-Russian political party Democratic Front, which had announced protests shortly before elections.

The coup d’etat had been brainstormed by two "Russia nationalists" who had found a person in Serbia to train terrorists to seize power, the prosecutor said.
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Amongst the 14 people who have been detained are those who fought in the Donbass on the side of pro-Russian separatists. Their names have not been specified. According to Kommersant, one of them is Aleksander Sindzhelich, leader of nationalist organization “Serbian wolves.” Sindzhelich spent several months in Ukraine and also recruited volunteers from Serbia. Belgrade agreed to give Sindzhelich over to Montenegrin authorities. He is now giving testimony on the other participants of the failed coup.

The purpose of the coup was to prevent Montenegro’s accession to NATO. The Democratic Party of Socialists, led by Milo Djukanovic, won 41 percent of the vote in the election. The heart of its platform was Montenegro's integration into the EU and NATO. The party opposed the Democratic Front, which is openly supported by Moscow and pro-Kremlin political party United Russia. The prosecutor's office believes that Djukanovic became the target of conspirators because of his pro-Western rhetoric. It is expected that Montenegro will become a full member of NATO in spring 2017.

The Kremlin denied any involvement in the coup attempt. “We categorically deny the possibility of any official involvement in organizing … illegal actions,” said the Kremlin’s spokesperson Dmitry Peskov.
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https://meduza.io/en/feature/2016/11/07/russians-accused-of-attempting-a-coup-in-montenegro
 
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TheRealTalker

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yeah I heard about this

die hard Putin fans more likely then the Russian goverment

it seems we will see more and more varied craziness rise up with tension ever rising
 
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Media

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No, Putin fans will be talking about this was a smart move to stop invasion of the west. Putin seems hell bent on making sure the UN and NATO don't grow around Russia.
 
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TheRealTalker

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Peter Ian Staker said:
Maybe. FSB may have been pulling strings, plausible deniability and all that.
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that could be plausible too

since Russia (goverment) is known for being the worst lairs

then again I don't think they would do a sloppy job due to high tension going on right now with them and basically every other single country known to humankind except Iran, and China
 
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Peter Ian Staker

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Media said:
No, Putin fans will be talking about this was a smart move to stop invasion of the west. Putin seems hell bent on making sure the UN and NATO don't grow around Russia.
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It's not just Putin. Having buffer states around them has always been a Russian geopolitical objective for more than a century.
I bet even if Putin vanished overnight that wouldn't change.
 
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Kthulhu

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INB4 Putin defenders show up.

Peter Ian Staker said:
It's not just Putin. Having buffer states around them has always been a Russian geopolitical objective for more than a century.
I bet even if Putin vanished overnight that wouldn't change.
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China and the US too. A very interesting trend amongst super powers.
 
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Engell

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not shocked at all, any semi pro western/EU country with a border that is touching Russia should expect this to happen
 
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Engell said:
and?
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Montenegro doesn't border Russia. In fact, by least number of countries you have to pass through Serbia, Romania, and then Ukraine to get to Russia.
 
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Engell

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Ray Wonder said:
It's like across Europe from Russia lol
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sorry i corrected myself.. should have realized it wasn't soon enough to stop gaf :-D
yes its is far away from Russia as a country, but not far away from Russian influence.
yes Montenegro is far away from the country Russia
 
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A few more, interesting details have popped up:

A group of 20 Serbians and Montenegrins, some of whom had fought with Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, were arrested in Podgorica, the Montenegrin capital. In Serbia, meanwhile, several Russian nationals suspected of coordinating the plot were caught with €120,000 and special forces uniforms.

According to the Belgrade daily, Danas, the Russians also had encryption equipment and were able to keep track of Đjukanović’s whereabouts.

Diplomatic sources told the Guardian the Belgrade government quietly deported the Russians after the intervention of the head of the Russian security council, Nikolai Patrushev, who flew to Belgrade on 26 October in an apparent effort to contain the scandal. The country’s interior minister, Nebojša Stefanović denied the government carried out any deportations connected to the plot.

A source close to the Belgrade government said Patrushev, a former FSB (federal security service) chief, apologised for what he characterised as a rogue operation that did not have the Kremlin’s sanction.

The Serbian government was further rattled three days after Patrushev’s visit when a cache of arms was found near the home of the prime minister, Aleksandar Vučić. The weapons were discovered at a junction where Vučić’s car would normally slow down on his way to the house.

Stefanović said there were “strong suspicions” that an organised crime gang had been hired to kill Vučić for €10m, but he would not specify who was behind the alleged plot, saying further investigation would show whether people “outside the region” were involved.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ussians-suspected-of-plotting-montenegro-coup
 
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MGrant

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Closer relations with Russia are a tremendous thing. Let me tell you: a great thing, it's such a good thing. We'll have the best relations with Russia.
 
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Get ready for more shit like this in the region. People thought I was exaggerating when I said that Putin would move further South after he's done with the Baltic states. I guess he got impatient.
 
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leroidys

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Yeah, the only way I even heard about it was reading through last weeks newspaper. I think the election and then the holiday week (in America) totally drowned this out.
 
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samn

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Peter Ian Staker said:
It's not just Putin. Having buffer states around them has always been a Russian geopolitical objective for more than a century.
I bet even if Putin vanished overnight that wouldn't change.
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It might be better for global stability if we just let them have a buffer. sneaking nato up to their border is insanity
 
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Dead Man said:
There's not really any sneaking about it.
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People are buying the narrative all over the world that NATO is an aggressive military alliance and is designed to invade Russia. Previous satellite states of the Soviet Union are clearly being bullied by the west into joining NATO!
 
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Violet_0

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according to some posters in this thread Russia's border extends over the Balkans up to the Mediterranean Sea. Their globes must be from the 80s
 
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Ac30 said:
People are buying the narrative all over the world that NATO is an aggressive military alliance and is designed to invade Russia. Previous satellite states of the Soviet Union are clearly being bullied by the west into joining NATO!
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Putin needs to create and foment perceived external enemies to secure his internal strength since he can't run a successful country. So he has to juggle the broken shards of an economy ruined by his own cronies.

The irony is that NATO would be utterly ambivalent to a normalized Russia. If Russia just took care of its economy and people and didn't keep creating all this drama NATO would be meaningless.
 
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Ac30 said:
People are buying the narrative all over the world that NATO is an aggressive military alliance and is designed to invade Russia. Previous satellite states of the Soviet Union are clearly being bullied by the west into joining NATO!
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NATO were dropping arms into Macedonia to help rebels in 2001, lets not forget that
 
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ThoseDeafMutes

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Peter Ian Staker said:
It's not just Putin. Having buffer states around them has always been a Russian geopolitical objective for more than a century.
I bet even if Putin vanished overnight that wouldn't change.
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Nah not 100 years, more like 60. The Russian Empire just ate everything it could and was content carving up chunks of land between itself and rival powers in certain cases. Under Stalin they originally pursued a similar policy, with the USSR gobbling up former Russian imperial territories and making pacts with Nazi Germany. The USSR had a buffer with Germany, it was called Poland. They decided to just split the country between them instead of keeping a buffer.

After WWII, they decided that their country wasn't big and tough enough so they'd just set up puppet states in as much of Eastern Europe as they could. Being "liberated" by the Red Army wasn't such a good deal.

samn said:
It might be better for global stability if we just let them have a buffer. sneaking nato up to their border is insanity
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A buffer against what? Montenegro is of no strategic or military significance, it doesn't border Russia and it's not even as close to Russia as Greece and Turkey are, who have been NATO member states for decades dating back to the cold war itself. The only country that might be upset is Serbia, who are still bitter about a UN-NATO mission halting their ethnic cleansing in the 90's.
 
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samn said:
It might be better for global stability if we just let them have a buffer. sneaking nato up to their border is insanity
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I'll be THAT guy...

Because appeasing a strongman authoritarian figure through the secession of land worked out so well the last time.
 
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Peter Ian Staker

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Stinkles said:
The irony is that NATO would be utterly ambivalent to a normalized Russia. If Russia just took care of its economy and people and didn't keep creating all this drama NATO would be meaningless.
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This is why I doubt NATO actually wants a "good boy" Russia.
Too many people and corporations make money from the continuing tensions.

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Nah not 100 years, more like 60. The Russian Empire just ate everything it could and was content carving up chunks of land between itself and rival powers in certain cases. Under Stalin they originally pursued a similar policy, with the USSR gobbling up former Russian imperial territories and making pacts with Nazi Germany. The USSR had a buffer with Germany, it was called Poland. They decided to just split the country between them instead of keeping a buffer.

After WWII, they decided that their country wasn't big and tough enough so they'd just set up puppet states in as much of Eastern Europe as they could. Being "liberated" by the Red Army wasn't such a good deal.
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The Russian Empire did have many vassal states and autonomous regions in it's borders though.
The Soviets decided to have even more satellites states because they realized that occupying and annexing massive amounts of territory wasn't feasable anymore. Most of the big empires that occupied massive amounts of foreign territory had already collapsed or ceded most of it.
 
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