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-=-=->S P O I L E R S<-=-=- The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild - Spoiler Thread
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cryptosporidium
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Damn first form Ganon was AWESOME
Final boss rankings
1. OOT, just really well done
2. LTTP
3. BOTW
4. is a major toss up as Ive forgotten a lotta of the zelda boss fights. I played through ALBW recently and that was really charming especially the last arrow shot. PH I recall having a great final boss. TP I didnt really enjoy. SS was cool looking but easy. WW I dont recall besides him turning to stone. dont remember MC. Im playing through MM right now so we'll see how that goes.
Final boss rankings
1. OOT, just really well done
2. LTTP
3. BOTW
4. is a major toss up as Ive forgotten a lotta of the zelda boss fights. I played through ALBW recently and that was really charming especially the last arrow shot. PH I recall having a great final boss. TP I didnt really enjoy. SS was cool looking but easy. WW I dont recall besides him turning to stone. dont remember MC. Im playing through MM right now so we'll see how that goes.
Nintendo, we need to talk.
Zora's apparently have weird physiology. They have a growth spurt and change into adult form. She hasn't had hers yet despite being an adult and hates being treated like a kid because of her condition. According to the guy she's actually much older than him, but it's weird that he's not offput at all by it.
Oddly there are like at least 3 characters like that in BotW if you count the Gerudo Cheif.
SoraanTribal
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Nintendo, we need to talk.
lol wtf??
It's okay, she's at least 50. But there's no way she can compete with Purah.
Riju is actually a kid, though; unless I missed something.
If there's a direct sequel or substantial postgame DLC, it'd be hilarious if her new partner dumps her after she gets her growth spurt.
i stumbled upon it about 80 hours into my playthrough after beating all dungeons
so i basically beat it in 5 minutes without any trouble at all
Ooooh she's the Zora that mentioned that.
I remember a Zora told me she was a late bloomer for that growth spur and I was running around looking for her like: "Please tell me this isn't as weird as I think it is..."
broncobuster
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Nintendo, we need to talk.
I took the same screenshot haha.
Actually tried talking to her mother and guards. But they didn't care.
Oh, sorry. I read her diary wrong. She says "Mother... Lady Urbosa... Please give me your guidance..." but she's talking to two people. Mother AND Lady Urbosa.
Nintendo, we need to talk.
It's okay, she's an adult, technically. Zoras age much slower than humans. They tend to live for hundreds of years it seems.
Her mother was childhood friends with Link and Mipha.
WrenchNinja
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why would link have it as a child in the final rewind. looking at the ending, there's nothing implying that, not even a glance at the back of his hand. And its not like he brought it back with him from the future since ww link had to rebuild that piece
I'm more inclined to believe it's just more lazy story telling from tp
Basileus777
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Link is directly shown to still have the triforce of courage even after being sent back in time during OOT's ending.
C'mon man. At least look it up if you don't remember.
Might want to look harder. Like at that screenshot above
That shot of Link with the Triforce of Courage in his hand is such an amazingly subtle detail that most people miss. Nintendo is really good at that.
Hell, it's even in the remake.
It's an intentional detail.
dang those are some big hands/arms.
Hell, it's even in the remake.
It's an intentional detail.
Well of course it is. That scene is the only time the Triforce appears on young Link's hand. It's not something they could accidentally do.
WrenchNinja
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I did look it up and I do remember.
https://youtu.be/ge8zd1ZR-hc
Look at his hand from the 9 minute mark
There's an inconsistency here. He doesn't have it when he comes back from the future. He does have it when he meets Zelda in the present.
Nah, he just needed TWO corroborating suspicious 10 year olds to execute a Gerudo King.
Riposte
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50 year old Zora is the new 1000 year old dragon.
This is probably a fruitless argument to get into but... there are at least two "lines" of Zelda games: 2D and 3D. There's no arguing that 3D line became the mainline with Ocarina of Time. The treatment of the 2D line has been subordinate and not really coherent in comparison, so it leads to a couple games not really following the same meta-narrative trajectory as the 3D ones are. I don't think it would be a stretch to point at the "link up your GBAs to your Gamecube" game and say it's effectively a spin-off, in one way or another.
Basically, there are three or four type of Zelda games in this context: 1) the relatively consistent mainline and its game-established branches that began with OoT, 2) the earlier games which had less polished connections to one another and don't fall neatly into the former group (hence they are put together on the awkwardly out-of-game created Downfall timeline), 3) later sequels to those earlier games connected in a similar fashion (tend to be mostly related to LTTP and placed next to it, Minish Cap being something of an exception), and 4) games along the lines of the previous group but with connections so vague or meaningless due to their spin-off (or spin-off-like, if you must) nature they end up spilling out of the Downfall dump/timeline and bloat up the timeline.
I think I ended up using a lot of words to say something fairly basic. Games which try to fit into the timeline fit on the timeline fairly easily. Games which don't... don't. My point is that laboring to include these sort of games is preventing them from having a clean timeline and there isn't much of pay-off for it because it's mostly out-of-game logic unlike the explicit references in WW, TP, etc. The Downfall line itself works a neat fix for some of these games, but the cause of its creation is very poorly conceived.
TP would be far and away the best final boss/rush (and have best combat system in the series) if they didn't completely bungle the difficulty.
This is probably a fruitless argument to get into but... there are at least two "lines" of Zelda games: 2D and 3D. There's no arguing that 3D line became the mainline with Ocarina of Time. The treatment of the 2D line has been subordinate and not really coherent in comparison, so it leads to a couple games not really following the same meta-narrative trajectory as the 3D ones are. I don't think it would be a stretch to point at the "link up your GBAs to your Gamecube" game and say it's effectively a spin-off, in one way or another.
Basically, there are three or four type of Zelda games in this context: 1) the relatively consistent mainline and its game-established branches that began with OoT, 2) the earlier games which had less polished connections to one another and don't fall neatly into the former group (hence they are put together on the awkwardly out-of-game created Downfall timeline), 3) later sequels to those earlier games connected in a similar fashion (tend to be mostly related to LTTP and placed next to it, Minish Cap being something of an exception), and 4) games along the lines of the previous group but with connections so vague or meaningless due to their spin-off (or spin-off-like, if you must) nature they end up spilling out of the Downfall dump/timeline and bloat up the timeline.
I think I ended up using a lot of words to say something fairly basic. Games which try to fit into the timeline fit on the timeline fairly easily. Games which don't... don't. My point is that laboring to include these sort of games is preventing them from having a clean timeline and there isn't much of pay-off for it because it's mostly out-of-game logic unlike the explicit references in WW, TP, etc. The Downfall line itself works a neat fix for some of these games, but the cause of its creation is very poorly conceived.
TP would be far and away the best final boss/rush (and have best combat system in the series) if they didn't completely bungle the difficulty.
Possession of the three Triforce pieces breaks down like this at the end of Ocarina (before Zelda sends Link back in time)
Ganondorf - Triforce of Power - Trapped in Sacred Realm
Link - Triforce of Courage
Zelda - Triforce of Wisdom
Link is still in possession of the Triforce of Courage (ToC) when he is send back. Due to him arriving on the newly created time with the ToC, the other two pieces go to the people that they're destined to (Zelda and Ganondorf). That's why both Ganondorf and the Sages are confused when the Triforce of Power actives and saves Ganondorf in the execution scene.
Hell, it's even in the remake.
It's an intentional detail.
Nvm lol
Anyway about the Ganondorf having the triforce in TP, Link (TP link yeah) already had his piece so it's not strange to think Ganondorf just got it too.
The Triforce pieces glow when they're near each other, they are resonating.
Triforce marks don't always glow. Link technically had the Triforce of Courage the entire time after he woke up in the future but his mark didn't appear until Zelda told him about it. Link probably manifested it when he went to meet Zelda as proof of what happened in the other timeline or because he's close to another piece (Wisdom).
But obviously the point of adding it to that scene is to make sure the player understood that Link is changing the past because he didn't have it in the original version of that scene. Thus setting up the split timeline.
WrenchNinja
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Okay, where is Zelda's? We get a glimpse at both of her hands and there's nothing there?
That seems entirely arbitrary. it may as well just be the mark and not the actual piece
And I checked the 3D release and Zelda doesn't have it there either
Zelda's triforce is in the same place as the goalposts you're running away with.
This is a brand new timeline, and as a result, this Zelda has no idea of the events that took place after the initial meeting at the beginning of the game (which is now on a different timeline). As a result, she would have no idea that she bears the Triforce of Wisdom. We saw something similiar play out with Ganondorf in Twilight Princess. He, and the Sages, had no idea that he was in possession of the Triforce of Power until he was stabbed in the chest in the execution scene.
Having finished the game today, I totally subscribe to this theory. I'm thinking
~14,000 to 12,000 years ago > Hylia seals away Demise
Over 10,000 years ago > SS
10,000 years ago> That era's Link and Zelda use the Guardians, defeat Ganon's feral form, and seal the Guardians and beasts back under the castles. They also seal away the shrines and towers in the event a hero is needed to use them again.
Several thousands of years later > OoT and Ganon's incarnation as a Gerudo
Several hundred years later > TP
Several hundred years later> BoTW initial fight with Ganon that ended in failure
100 years later > BotW proper.
Actually, the events of the First Calamity happened after Ocarina of Time, that much we know. Ganon was literally sealed for 10,000 years.
WrenchNinja
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Pointing out an inconsistency is not moving the goalposts.
Ocarina of Time is the earliest that any incarnation of Ganon(dorf) appears. Also, you can't have his feral form appear before his human form. The feral form is a result of him using (more abusing the hell out of it) the Triforce of Power.
No. The game makes it clear that the robot fight 10,000 years ago was the last appearance of Ganon. Purah says Ganon has been dormant for 10,000 years. The Zora history tablets say that Ruto fought Ganondorf long before 10,000 years ago. And Ruto being a sage and fighting Ganondorf didn't happen in Child Timeline. The divine beasts were built and named after OoT sages. OoT is Ganon's first appearance and predates the robot war 10,000 years ago.
I gotcha. I am just rather surprised that Hyrule did not evolve at all for 10,000 years without some kind of...calamity,
edit: I'll revise then:
SS > OoT (first Ganon incarnation)> TP (Ganon actually killed / not exiled) > 10,000 years (!)> BotW
The original point we were talking about was how did Ganon get his piece in Twilight Princess. We know Link holds the Triforce of Courage at the end of Ocarina of Time, which is proven as his hand is glowing and it's glowing far brighter on the specific piece of the Triforce he holds, rather than the entire thing. This is a normal characteristic that a Triforce piece does to its holder.
That means the Triforce is split up, what do you think that means to the other two pieces of the Triforce? Do you think the Triforce of Wisdom and Power are just hanging around the Sacred Realm? From what we know about the Triforce, that forces it to split up and seek it's owners, which we know said people are Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf.
Therefore we can deduce that Ganon in Twilight Princess got his piece because Link was granted the Triforce of Courage by accident(maybe?) when Zelda sent him back in time.
You're now running into the issue with Ruto being a Sage. On the child timeline, the sages were never woken up, and BotW explicitly mentions that Ruto was a Sage and fought Ganon.
While that is very true, we never learn what Ruto did after Ganon was arrested, no? I have yet to do the quest but is it possible the text may mean that Ruto 'fought' against Ganondorf by helping Link open the Temple of Time when they were children?
In the child timeline, Link never opened the Temple of Time, therefore none of the sages in Ocarina could awaken as sages on that timeline. Link and Ruto never meet as Link as no motivation to go on his quest.
Instead, Link and Zelda presented their evidence to the King of Hyrule, the King has Ganondorf arrested, the failed execution attempt happens and Ganondorf is dumped in the Twilight Realm. That's also the reason the Master Sword in Twilight Princess is sitting in the ruins of the Temple of Time.
I mostly agree, although part of me thinks there's some timeline unity shenanigans going on here. What explains the Koroks and Rito? And as stupid as it sounds, why we still got Zoras if they evolved into Rito because of the Great Sea?
Granted there are more inconsequential things, such as names on the map being from non-Hyrule games. I know I've seen something named Horon (village from Oracle of Seasons), and something else named Lynna (city from Oracle of Ages), and on Eventide Island, there was Koholit Rock, and Toronobo shores, both from Link's Awakening. There's also references to Majora's Mask.
Seems like a much bigger stretch than the mention of twilight just being a reference for fans.
History of the Zora, Part Five
The Sage Princess Ruto
As told by King Dorephan
Long, long ago... in a past more distant than even the Great Calamity or the creation of the Divine Beast Vah Ruta...
There was a Zora Princess named Ruto.
We know that she was an attendant to the Zora patron deity and that she was a fair and lively girl, beloved to all. Around the same time, an evil man with designs on ruling the world appeared, bringing disaster upon Zora's Domain. It is said that Ruto then awoke as a sage, facing this foe alongside the princess of Hyrule and the hero of legend. Her achievements are remembered not only by the Zora, they are also forever etched in the history of Hyrule.
The Divine Beast Vah Ruta, built ages later to face off against Calamity Ganon was named in honor of Ruto. That the Zora princessmy sweet daughter Miphawas chosen to pilot Ruta is surely the work of fate.
If I could offer one possible reconciliation to this, perhaps Link told the King everything that happened in the future and what the Sages did. After all, without the Sages, Link would not have been able to travel back in time to stop Ganon's plans. The king or Link than could have shared this knowledge with the Zora and Ruto's legend was born (of course, this is regardless of what the young Ruto actually ended up doing).
ShockingAlberto
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So
Mipha is for real the canon relationship, right
Mipha is for real the canon relationship, right
The Sages aren't what allows Link to travel back in time, it's
A) The Master Sword
B) Zelda with the Ocarina of Time
In theory, Link could travel back and forth at will by placing the Master Sword back in the pedestal without waking a single sage.
Oh yes, sorry for the confusion. I meant that without the Sages, Ganon could not have been sealed away, allowing Zelda to send Link back to the child timeline for good.
Man all the endings for Ocarina of Time are pretty depressing now that I think about it.
Adult timeline: definition of pyrrhic victory as Ganondorf soon returns and Hyrule is permanently flooded.
Child timeline: best timeline in terms of long-term outcome, but the hero of time is completely forgotten.
Downfall: Not only did the HoT fail and fucking die, but plan B results in the corruption of the sacred realm and Ganon's permanent threat to Hyrule.
Adult timeline: definition of pyrrhic victory as Ganondorf soon returns and Hyrule is permanently flooded.
Child timeline: best timeline in terms of long-term outcome, but the hero of time is completely forgotten.
Downfall: Not only did the HoT fail and fucking die, but plan B results in the corruption of the sacred realm and Ganon's permanent threat to Hyrule.
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