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Shinobi |OT| GAF eating tons of crow served by ninjas exploding out of helicopters!
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nincompoop
Banned
"Smooth" and "consistent" are not the same thing. Ocarina of Time's framerate never deviated from 20 on the N64, but nobody in their right mind would ever call that game "smooth".
FrostuTheNinja
Member
Nice OT.
It's a really solid game and Griptonite should be commended for it. The game has some nice precision platforming. I like how they hit you with some wall jumping sections right from the first stage. As Aeana mentioned, the parry system is wonderful. There's nothing like deflecting multiple shuriken then coming down with the force of a god on an enemy. Also, the jumping on enemies/projectiles mechanic is quite cool. Reminds me of some of the tense tate moments in the PS2 Shinobi. On a lesser note, I really love the fact that there are audio sliders and players have the ability to turn off the scoring effects.
The lack of the game running at 60 fps is sad, but it doesn't detract from the overall experience. I do miss dashing as much as I thought I would. Whether it was a mechanic like Shinobi PS2 or double tapping as in Super Shinobi 2/Shinobi 3, it was always a blast to rocket though stages for speed runs.
All in all though, it's one of my favorite 3DS games alongside Mario and Mercenaries. Bravo Griptonite, you did a fine job. Here's hoping they can tackle it again and iron out the
kinks.
It's a really solid game and Griptonite should be commended for it. The game has some nice precision platforming. I like how they hit you with some wall jumping sections right from the first stage. As Aeana mentioned, the parry system is wonderful. There's nothing like deflecting multiple shuriken then coming down with the force of a god on an enemy. Also, the jumping on enemies/projectiles mechanic is quite cool. Reminds me of some of the tense tate moments in the PS2 Shinobi. On a lesser note, I really love the fact that there are audio sliders and players have the ability to turn off the scoring effects.
The lack of the game running at 60 fps is sad, but it doesn't detract from the overall experience. I do miss dashing as much as I thought I would. Whether it was a mechanic like Shinobi PS2 or double tapping as in Super Shinobi 2/Shinobi 3, it was always a blast to rocket though stages for speed runs.
All in all though, it's one of my favorite 3DS games alongside Mario and Mercenaries. Bravo Griptonite, you did a fine job. Here's hoping they can tackle it again and iron out the
minor
nincompoop
Banned
Again, the "evenness" in the first definition of smooth refers to the texture of the surface, not to how consistent it is. Compare playing a game at 30 frames per second to driving on a gravel road. Even if the road doesn't have any potholes or anything, the ride is not smooth.
I have bought a quite a few games in the last weeks but all I really play is this!
I even carry my 3DS to work each day to unlock the challenge maps!
The game is really good! I think it's almost as good for Shinobi fans as Sonic Generations was for Sonic fans!
Hope Sega keeps it up! I want more Shinobi!
I even carry my 3DS to work each day to unlock the challenge maps!
The game is really good! I think it's almost as good for Shinobi fans as Sonic Generations was for Sonic fans!
Hope Sega keeps it up! I want more Shinobi!
Criminal Upper
Banned
AC1 on the DS is bad but that was developed by GameLoft. So...you know, that's expected.
And AC Bloodlines on the PSP is ambitious, but Griptonite did absolutely the best they could to bring the HD console experience to underpowered PSP.
But Assassin's Creed II: Discovery is a little gem.
Assassin's Creed + Ninja Gaiden + Sonic = good
GhaleonQ
Member
Okay, this is a top-quality action game and a mediocre-to-poor action-platformer. I vastly prefer platformers as a genre and I like my action games to play that way (Strider 2, 10th favorite game ever), but I've successfully learned to play this the right way.
With that caveat, I totally recommend it.
With that caveat, I totally recommend it.
storafötter
Member
I might get this game after Christmas as I have been hungry for decent action games and this game sounds perfect for my library.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Will get this when I have reliable access to 3DS
plz get out of here with semantics arguments
plz get out of here with semantics arguments
GhaleonQ
Member
It's my game, but I'm using a friend's because I'm still waiting to see colors/if I'll get 1 for each region/potential custom firmware. I have to decide by Luigi's Mansion 2!
Anyway, Oni's critique is harsher but sort of line with my thoughts.
Indeed.
In this game's defense, the array of combat options and the depth of the scoring system really are commendable, and the games' bosses/mini-bosses are all pretty good. Similarly, the amount of unlockable crap and fanservice is very welcome; the game is obviously a labour of love and in that regard it's very reminiscent of Contra 4.
My big problem with it (aside from the graphics/3D and the over-the-shoulder stuff) is that the level design takes a nosedive about half/two-thirds of the way through - it goes from being a cool twitchy action game to a sloppy cut/pasted masochistic platformer that does everything it possibly can to instakill you. I mean, the Mega Drive games weren't the tightest platformers around and there were some painful jumps in those games, too, but they didn't have levels that were twenty minutes long, they didn't pull cheap tricks to knock you into every single pit in the level and they weren't 2.5D games with garish colour schemes that made it occasionally difficult to judge distances or whether platforms were actually platforms. (The 3D kinda helps, but the colour contrasts in most levels means that something, somewhere, is gonna be ghosting, so I just keep it turned off).
It really does bug me, because I want so much to like this game. If it'd maintained a consistent level of quality the whole way through it would have been much easier to recommend, but that late-game stuff really irritates me.
My big problem with it (aside from the graphics/3D and the over-the-shoulder stuff) is that the level design takes a nosedive about half/two-thirds of the way through - it goes from being a cool twitchy action game to a sloppy cut/pasted masochistic platformer that does everything it possibly can to instakill you. I mean, the Mega Drive games weren't the tightest platformers around and there were some painful jumps in those games, too, but they didn't have levels that were twenty minutes long, they didn't pull cheap tricks to knock you into every single pit in the level and they weren't 2.5D games with garish colour schemes that made it occasionally difficult to judge distances or whether platforms were actually platforms. (The 3D kinda helps, but the colour contrasts in most levels means that something, somewhere, is gonna be ghosting, so I just keep it turned off).
It really does bug me, because I want so much to like this game. If it'd maintained a consistent level of quality the whole way through it would have been much easier to recommend, but that late-game stuff really irritates me.
BalrogTheMaster
Neo Member
I've played it, the game's a TON of fun but gets kinda dull late in the game. I have a review, if anyone's curious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKSfcMy-aZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKSfcMy-aZA
What music are you using in that video? Is it Puyo Puyo DC menu music? It's really bugging me that I can't tell where I know this music from...
nincompoop
Banned
It's the Wii Shop Channel music
Man so obvious... thanks!
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I was thinking of asking someone for this for Christmas, but the OP makes it sound so enticing that I want to pick it up ASAP. Hmm...
BalrogTheMaster
Neo Member
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Shinobi is one of those gaming franchises that will always be dear to my heart. Sadly I haven't played a decent entry since the Genesis days.
I had an eye on this, but from what I've read, and have seen mentioned in the thread; the game starts off with a bang, but eventually nosedives. The thought of extra long levels with bland level design, and cheap deaths doesn't exactly turn me on. Neither does the thought of having to parry so much. That's not Shinobi, or at least not the Shinobi I grew up playing.
I don't want to sound completely negative as I'm thrilled Sega hasn't forgotten the franchise. The thought of a wealth of unlockables excites me as well. I'm sure I'll snag it at some point, but not at $40.
I had an eye on this, but from what I've read, and have seen mentioned in the thread; the game starts off with a bang, but eventually nosedives. The thought of extra long levels with bland level design, and cheap deaths doesn't exactly turn me on. Neither does the thought of having to parry so much. That's not Shinobi, or at least not the Shinobi I grew up playing.
I don't want to sound completely negative as I'm thrilled Sega hasn't forgotten the franchise. The thought of a wealth of unlockables excites me as well. I'm sure I'll snag it at some point, but not at $40.
69 out of 100 is worthy of a ranty, boo-hoo, pissy OP like this?
http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/shinobi
With an OP like that, you would expect it to be GOTY material that GAF dismissed for a whole year.
I love Shinobi, it was my favorite series as a kid. But does Upper ever support any worthwhile games?
http://www.metacritic.com/game/3ds/shinobi
With an OP like that, you would expect it to be GOTY material that GAF dismissed for a whole year.
I love Shinobi, it was my favorite series as a kid. But does Upper ever support any worthwhile games?
GhaleonQ
Member
Come on, now.
And if we're going to be capricious about reviews, the Eurogamer reviewer gave Inazuma 11 1 a 7. He's a fool, clearly!
I picked up this game the other day and have been playing through it constantly since I got it. This game has the definition of "Trial and error" gameplay. I die at least once or twice going throughout a level before I learn it's layout, enemy placement and environmental hazards and finally make it through. Even with that knowledge in mind, this game is still hard as FUCK. But it's a fun kind of hard, that makes me keep challenging myself to get through the level with the best ranking possible.
That's not to say I don't have some major gripes about this game. Foremost, it seems like the developers LOVE to put projectile or dive-bombing enemies in spots right before a bottomless pit so you can fall to an instant death... quite often. My other gripe is somewhat similiar, as the camera angles the game presents you with are sometimes intentionally misleading and makes you think you can drop to a lower level... only to find out there's nothing below you. This happens way too often for my liking and I find that a extremely cheap way to rank up on difficulty.
Other than those gripes, I really do like the game. The graphics are alright (Not as bad as I expected them to be) but they could be much better, same with the 3D. The little cutscenes that play after and before each level are awesome though, great little action scenes with stylish art to boot. Hopefully I'll finish it within the next few days, then I'll probably focus on running back through to get even better rankings.
That's not to say I don't have some major gripes about this game. Foremost, it seems like the developers LOVE to put projectile or dive-bombing enemies in spots right before a bottomless pit so you can fall to an instant death... quite often. My other gripe is somewhat similiar, as the camera angles the game presents you with are sometimes intentionally misleading and makes you think you can drop to a lower level... only to find out there's nothing below you. This happens way too often for my liking and I find that a extremely cheap way to rank up on difficulty.
Other than those gripes, I really do like the game. The graphics are alright (Not as bad as I expected them to be) but they could be much better, same with the 3D. The little cutscenes that play after and before each level are awesome though, great little action scenes with stylish art to boot. Hopefully I'll finish it within the next few days, then I'll probably focus on running back through to get even better rankings.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Those are pretty big gripes. Knowing the game has such cheap deaths, poor design, and bland later levels that can be too long, are kinda killing any thought I had of picking this up.
Such a shame Sega couldn't pass such a long running, treasured franchise of theirs to a better developer.
BalrogTheMaster
Neo Member
The only reason it's low is because some reviewer gave it a 20/100. It was a 74 before that.
Criminal Upper
Banned
I support what I believe in! And what I believe in is worthwhile!
Criminal Upper
Banned
It took me a while to get through it as well. Around 3-4 full attempts with all all my lives. You literally have to just parry everything, and when you get to the waterfall section, just be super fucking carefull with all of your jumps!
MAAAAAAaaaannnnnn UP!
Wow, you are right! I was ready to pass on this when I saw the screens, but looking at the videos, I love the art style in motion, the way the main character moves, whatever his name is, etc. The parry and combo system sounds great. Thanks for the info and impressions. Will get when I purchase a 3DS.
Aizu_Itsuko
Member
Ok, it better be good because it still looks like a cheap and boring DS game in the videos.
I'll give it a try.
I'll give it a try.
Omegasquash
Member
So there's like a Contra 4 vibe here, if I'm not mistaken. This might just have to get a pickup.
are you being serious?
nincompoop
Banned
He's dead serious. I mean, the game wasn't even nominated for any Spike VGA awardz! And it isn't being sold with Mountain Dew Gamer Fuel! Clearly, the game is worthless.
Man, I put some crow on the barbecue and ate all that shit up! I picked this game up with Ace Combat (3DS) on Black Friday. I'm very, very glad I did. I was sooooo down on this game when I first saw it, but once I started reading some positive impressions from hardcore action gamers I decided to pick it up. All this talk about parrying, EVERYTHING, got to me too. And surprise, surprise, the game is tight and it doesn't feel like shit!
I've just come off a Skyward Sword addiction so I haven't given this game the time of day yet, but I'm so eager to sink my teeth into over the coming weeks. Such a pleasant surprise from what I've played so far.
I've just come off a Skyward Sword addiction so I haven't given this game the time of day yet, but I'm so eager to sink my teeth into over the coming weeks. Such a pleasant surprise from what I've played so far.
Well there was a Cybernetic Shark with a shotgun in its mouth.
New video from Sega explaining the large amount of stuff you can unlock in this game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vG2V5cTfbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vG2V5cTfbE
Has anyone gotten S Ranks yet in this game? I've only played up to Stage 3 so far on Normal, but I messed around with the first stage a BUNCH and could only manage an B Rank. The ranking system is strict as shit in this game. I believe I read it requires 20 mil points for an S rank. There are devs discussing tips and tricks on the combat/scoring system at Gamefaqs for those who are interested. There is definitely a lot of depth to this game, so cool.
Night_Trekker
Member
...well, I'll probably pick this up for cheap somewhere down the line. Looks good enough.
-WindYoshi-
Banned
This thread makes me feel like a bad human being. You win, and I will now probably pick it up.
BalrogTheMaster
Neo Member
Holy shit, you can play as Joe. Insta-buy.
I just got 20 million points on Stage 1 and got my first S Rank. Holy shit was it tough though. The ranking system is TIGHT and very, very strict. You pretty much have to beat the par time for each level to gain the time bonus at the end of the stage. I'm not even sure if an S Rank is possible if you got through the entire level with a X4 multiplier on just kills alone. I sure as fuck can't do it yet.
It seems like for S Ranks you just have to pull it all off. You have to complete the stage fast, under par time, while parrying as much as possible and getting X4 kills. Picking up items along the way is essential, but never go out of the way. Also, using the water magic to run faster is a must, but every time you use a spell you got penalized 250,000 points. You then need to make sure you collect the bonus game token every time you attempt an S rank run because you NEED that extra 2 million points from the mini game.
If every level requires 20 mil points for an S rank then you AT LEAST need to get 8 mil from the stage, 10 mil from the time bonus (if that is consistent for every level), the 2 mil from the bonus game, and some extra 250,000+ in change to compensate for how ever many spells you need. I don't know HOW the fuck you are supposed to beat a stage under par time without using the water magic though. The stages are long enough, there is no way around it. If someone could pull off an 8 million point score, under 10 mins on the first stage WITHOUT using water magic then I'd be mega impressed!
It seems like for S Ranks you just have to pull it all off. You have to complete the stage fast, under par time, while parrying as much as possible and getting X4 kills. Picking up items along the way is essential, but never go out of the way. Also, using the water magic to run faster is a must, but every time you use a spell you got penalized 250,000 points. You then need to make sure you collect the bonus game token every time you attempt an S rank run because you NEED that extra 2 million points from the mini game.
If every level requires 20 mil points for an S rank then you AT LEAST need to get 8 mil from the stage, 10 mil from the time bonus (if that is consistent for every level), the 2 mil from the bonus game, and some extra 250,000+ in change to compensate for how ever many spells you need. I don't know HOW the fuck you are supposed to beat a stage under par time without using the water magic though. The stages are long enough, there is no way around it. If someone could pull off an 8 million point score, under 10 mins on the first stage WITHOUT using water magic then I'd be mega impressed!
Prepare to be mega impressed then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsOe72hvKD8
22.9 million in 9:01 with no magic used
Prepare to be mega impressed then:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsOe72hvKD8
22.9 million in 9:01 with no magic used
Holy shit how did you finish the level so quickly without the magic? I'm trying to figure out what I did differently. You even killed enemies with kunais more often than juggling them for bonus points. I don't get how you got so many natural stage points, especially since you lost your X4 multiplier near the second half of the stage. Good job nonetheless! I didn't even know you could pull chain the boss like that either! Is that just from charging your sword or something?