Guns are literally made with the intent to make killing things easierThis isn't a gun issue, guns don't kill people.
Guns are literally made with the intent to make killing things easierThis isn't a gun issue, guns don't kill people.
Nah seems too low US has had 19 mass shootings just in 2018...I would question that statistic actually. Doesn't seem to add up.
Yes, I do imply that Americans are generally irresponsible and selfish, and it's our culture that leads to violence.Guns not allowed in Germany: few murder cases
Guns widely spread in USA: lots of murder cases almost every day.
If you want to imply that Americans are somehow inherently broken, that's you. As I seee it, the difference is guns. They kill.
What's your point? Bombs are more effective, easier to conceal, and easier to make at home and are the weapon of choice in some circles where it's illegal. Marijuana is illegal, look how nobody smokes it. I mean, common sense dude...Guns are literally made with the intent to make killing things easier
Yep, saw some of that garbage as well. I would like to think that these are a small minority of simple minded low hanging fruits that are very insecure and just want some attention. I just chuckle and move on.I want to bring up an issue besides gun control, since we have another thread on that....
I looked at a few forums yesterday, some on the right and some on the left. I saw something disturbing....
Even after only just a few hours, I saw people trying really hard to fit the facts about the identity of the shooter into some narrative. I saw on ResetERA people almost gleefully reporting "ZOMG, he has a MAGA hat on his profile," or Thank God, he is white, or a white hispanic." On a right wing/libertarian forum I saw a bunch of posters who seemed happy when it was revealed that the kid had a latino last name, or even hoping that he was a DACA person.
Both such a gross way to react, I couldn't believe it. People are such fucks.
Your bullshit rights are more important to you than kids being slaughtered.Gun control is simply an euphemism for ban all guns. I vehemently against gun control. Using the logic of gun control proponents, we should ban all immigrants because some of them bombed us.
Also are you purposely being ignorant or ironic bringing up Germany of all places as an argument for disarming civilians? That's just fucking sick dude...
The lack of those very same "bullshit rights" is the reason kids all over the world get slaughtered throughout history... foh...Your bullshit rights are more important to you than kids being slaughtered.
You've never heard of World War 2??
Please explain.
You've never heard of World War 2?
Appeal to emotion, nice. What else would you like to ban to protect the children? Shall we check the stats on child deaths due to car accidents?Your bullshit rights are more important to you than kids being slaughtered.
Appeal to emotion, nice. What else would you like to ban to protect the children? Shall we check the stats on child deaths due to car accidents?
Annual United States Road Crash Statistics: http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics
Better start a movement to ban cars!
- Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
- An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
- Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
- Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
- Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
- Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad
Appeal to emotion, nice. What else would you like to ban to protect the children? Shall we check the stats on child deaths due to car accidents?
Annual United States Road Crash Statistics: http://asirt.org/initiatives/informing-road-users/road-safety-facts/road-crash-statistics
Better start a movement to ban cars!
- Over 37,000 people die in road crashes each year
- An additional 2.35 million are injured or disabled
- Over 1,600 children under 15 years of age die each year
- Nearly 8,000 people are killed in crashes involving drivers ages 16-20
- Road crashes cost the U.S. $230.6 billion per year, or an average of $820 per person
- Road crashes are the single greatest annual cause of death of healthy U.S. citizens traveling abroad
Yes, because these two things are clearly equivalent:
a) guns - designed to purely kill/maim/wound
b) cars - designed to carry people from A to B
What an asinine "argument".
Better start a movement to ban cars!
..and yet would you say more kids are killed in car accidents than with guns?Even disregarding the fact that weapons are designed to hurt people, unlike cars, road deaths is and has always been considered a major issue, and that's why the automobile market is one of the most regulated in our civilization. Not anyone can use a car, there is a full registration of all cars in circulation, very strict laws on their safety level,...
..and yet would you say more kids are killed in car accidents than with guns?
Guns are regulated but many want to ban them.I would say that if people are killed then we need regulation. It works for cars and it should work for guns.
Guns are regulated but many want to ban them.
My problem in this thread is the appeal to emotion but ONLY when it pertains to guns. When it comes to kids dying from car related events, all of a sudden the appeal to emotion disappears.
Good luck finding sources on how to make a bomb without a red flag getting put right next to your nameWhat's your point? Bombs are more effective, easier to conceal, and easier to make at home and are the weapon of choice in some circles where it's illegal. Marijuana is illegal, look how nobody smokes it. I mean, common sense dude...
Except maybe for Japan, even the strictest countries don't have a full ban of weapons, so if that's your fear it's unfounded.
Considering the emotional aspect, when a bus falls off a cliff and a dozen of kids die, the shock isn't too different from a mass shooting, and it's "only" an accident while a shooting is intentional.
For regular road deaths, well it's harder to have the same emotional attachment since it's an aggregation of isolated events. Just like the fact that many deaths by gun are accidents with kids playing with them or while cleaning them, it's a major part of the issue but doesn't generate much emotion, unless you know the victim personally (like for road accidents).
A chemistry textbook?Good luck finding sources on how to make a bomb without a red flag getting put right next to your name
What are you going to do if you have a burglar in your house? Aren't you going to call people with guns to protect you and yours?
Both may be "just as illegal", and still in the US there is more restriction on driving a car than there is on using a gun.
USA weirds me out. 18 school shootings since the turn of the year I've read. I guess that happens when u drop a bunch of guns into a messed up society.
More outrage over flags, anthem kneeling and shit than kids dying. Messed up.
You know who cares little for regulations? Criminals.
Technically a gun just moves a bullet from A to B, you can frame the argument however you with when you have an agenda...Yes, because these two things are clearly equivalent:
a) guns - designed to purely kill/maim/wound
b) cars - designed to carry people from A to B
What an asinine "argument".
As a matter of fact they do care. The registration of all cars makes it more difficult for criminals to use them in heists for example. They need to rely on parallel markets, that makes their task more difficult and creates more opportunities of being caught.
Are you telling me there are no unregistered cars and/or no unlicensed drivers?
There are unregistered cars and unlicensed drivers BECAUSE there is a registration and licensing system. And that system serves a purpose. And it allows the authorities to detect unregistered cars and unlicensed drivers as liabilities.
It's like saying "who needs laws since the bad guys break them ?", well it's precisely for that reason that we need laws.
Likewise, we have unregistered guns because there is a registration system.
Making things harder to get doesn't stop the criminals, it only stops the law abiding citizens.
I think to some degree we are numb to these behaviors or we make excuses.We need to start keeping a close eye on kids who show signs of psychopathy. All the warning signs were there: killing animals, violence, antisocial...on top of that, he had a huge collection of weapons. Why does society, for the most part, ignore these cases until it's too late?
Technically a gun just moves a bullet from A to B, you can frame the argument however you with when you have an agenda...
Oh, they're for real alright haha....are you people for real? What kind of goalposts moving is this?
Cars are designed as a method of transportation. The FACT that one can tragically use a car as a weapon to kill or that cars are inherently dangerous moving boxes of metal that under wantonly careless or malevolent hands can kill and grievously wound innocents does not take away the reality that your car right now was not intended for nor built for such a purpose. It's why cars who can drive them and how are heavily regulated.
Guns' only purpose are to kill, maim and wound. It doesn't matter if the target is a deer or another human being. That's what it does, yet astonishingly regulations for it are so abysmal that it has allowed a psychopathic teenager to purchase a weapon that has snuffed out 17 innocent lives yesterday. "Your steak knife can kill as well," someone might cry, missing the point that steak knives are not manufactured for the purpose of inflicting mortal injuries. It just so happens they possess the capacity to do just that when wielded as a weapon. And yes, over here, carrying a knife in public is an offence.
Guns' only purpose are to kill, maim and wound.
I got a bit dumber reading this posting :/
...are you people for real? What kind of goalposts moving is this?
Cars are designed as a method of transportation. The FACT that one can tragically use a car as a weapon to kill or that cars are inherently dangerous moving boxes of metal that under wantonly careless or malevolent hands can kill and grievously wound innocents does not take away the reality that your car right now was not intended for nor built for such a purpose. It's why cars who can drive them and how are heavily regulated.
Guns' only purpose are to kill, maim and wound. It doesn't matter if the target is a deer or another human being. That's what it does, yet astonishingly regulations for it are so abysmal that it has allowed a psychopathic teenager to purchase a weapon that has snuffed out 17 innocent lives yesterday. "Your steak knife can kill as well," someone might cry, missing the point that steak knives are not manufactured for the purpose of inflicting mortal injuries. It just so happens they possess the capacity to do just that when wielded as a weapon. And yes, over here, carrying a knife in public is an offence.
Yes, you really did go out on a limb. I'm an immigrant and I'm very pro immigration, however, I'm not for open borders. I believe the current system in place is sufficient enough, just as I think the current "gun control" rules are sufficient enough.That would explain why we (Australians) own more guns now than ever before.
We've been enlightened by your other posts so this will surprise no one.
.......and yet I'm going to out on a limb here and guess you aren't pro-immigration right? Wouldnt that be ironic?
"We should all be allowed guns even if a few hundred crazies are going to go around killing us, its just something that happens"
But at the same time,
"no, no immigrants through, one of them might be a crazy and kill us!"
How does one create an objective criteria for these warning signs? If we start rounding up all the people that exhibit warning signs such as liking guns, grand theft auto, and being alone, what kind of society are we creating here? I know plenty of sane people that exhibit many of the traits you list, and I don't believe that they deserve to suffer extra scrutiny from this judgemental society. So to answer your question, we ignore these cases until it's too late because we didn't know who was actually dangerous until the moment the murders happened. Warning signs just aren't a thing. Figuring people out is something that we haven't figured out yet.We need to start keeping a close eye on kids who show signs of psychopathy. All the warning signs were there: killing animals, violence, antisocial...on top of that, he had a huge collection of weapons. Why does society, for the most part, ignore these cases until it's too late?