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So THIS is the Half-Life 3 confirmation we've been looking for.
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K.Rool being in that leak basically proves it's full of shit.
They placated a very loud minority on the internet by making it a Mii outfit, they're not going to waste a character slot on an ugly villain character that hasn't even featured in the last two main DK entries.
To be fair a lot of people have speculated Retro is working on DKCR3. Not really that much of a stretch for someone to claim that is the case.
Do people actually believe Nintendo would go to the trouble of making a deal with Konami and then not get Snake back? The only way I could ever see that happening is if Konami was for some reason firmly against Snake returning while at the same time okay with Nintendo licensing their other IP. Which sounds ridiculous.
The real twist will be when Retro's next game ends up being DK 64 2
Xenoblade and Xenoblade Chronicles X?
Isaac isn't only assist trophy that got cut.
If Snake tags along fine, but if Konami is only getting one character in Smash then Simon, Bomberman, and even Goemon all deserve the spot more. Capcom has two characters so getting Simon and Snake isn't all that outrageous a thought now.
Goemon hasn't had a "real" entry in its IP since a Japan-only DS game from 2005, and doesn't have any future titles planned.
Snake is a SSB veteran, there's no contest here.
Not to mention, Metal Gear Solid is a more popular and important franchise than Castlevania, Goemon and Bomberman combined.
I mean, really, Goemon deserves it more than Snake? An obscure character from an inactive game series vs. a notable gaming icon with games still coming out to this day?
So the same person also is saying Shovel Knight? So thats four characters?This
Alas. I'm just being salty because in my heart of hearts I know we're probably going to get wolf and he's going to be a clone right down the landmaster again (which irritates me even with Falco given that in their own damn lore he refuses to drive one). Knuckles or K. Rool would make up for that, though.
Roy & Ryu's data were in Mewtwo's update & came out in the following update. If this is any indication, we may see these 3 characters as soon as the next update. However, since we just got an update, I wouldn't expect the next one until sometime in November.Question -- is the placeholder data in the patch an indication that these may be coming sooner rather than later? Or does it not really have a bearing?
How can a game like Smash Bros go from Excellence to shittties-game-ever-made in a matter of minutes?
Simple, by adding King K. Rool.
Snake icon status is almost entirely associated with Sony though. It's not even comparable to Ryu, who had one of his most notable roles on a Nintendo platform. Snake's popularity has pretty much nothing to do with the Nintendo games he's been on, and he isn't even coming to Nintendo platforms anymore. In my mind, what's important about a third party isn't there icon status so much as there relevance to Nintendo and it's history. That's why I think an indie rep is more deserving than Snake. Indies are a huge part of Nintendo's current strategy, so while no individual indie is a huge icon (by the nature of being indie), they play an important role in Nintendo's history. Snake really doesn't IMO
Since I only gave a throwaway response to your other comments I'll take this bait:
Why do you keep bringing up ROB? Are you misunderstanding what he is?
He is not some unrelated thing that eventually got used with a game after it became popular. He is a peripheral that was deliberately designed for use with the NES in order to make the system seem more appealing to retailers after the Atari video game crash. He has no other purpose, he can't be used with anything other than his two NES games, his origins are unmistakably linked with video games - which, as far as I know, is basically Sakurai's only justification for a character in order to keep Smash from being a totally random crossover. This is not remotely equivalent to a synthesizer mascot who later starred in video games after becoming popular from her other, non-video game-related ventures. Any attempt to link the two in order to claim "they're both not from a video game, but later got used in them!" is just desperately clinging to semantics in order to justify your off-the-wall character choice.
And the suggestion that the synthesizer technology she uses has become its own "niche genre" is BS because "one specific set of games starring Miku" is not a genre. That's like calling Mario or Pokemon its own genre. No, they're platformers and RPGs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know there aren't any rhythm games on the market using Vocaloid technology as a major focus that aren't SEGA-made Vocaloid games.
You can try to jump through hoops and move that goalpost as much as you want, but these are actual, provable facts.
Alas. I'm just being salty because in my heart of hearts I know we're probably going to get wolf and he's going to be a clone right down the landmaster again (which irritates me even with Falco given that in their own damn lore he refuses to drive one). Knuckles or K. Rool would make up for that, though.
Yeah, people kept on listing Snake's involvement in Nintendo when the matter of fact is he got in because Kojima asked Sakurai. Nothing more or less.
I use ROB because of the "they're not video game characters at all and are only partially related due to their involvement" - their origins, not whether Sakurai picks them. You bring up ROB's origin, which solidifies my point that he is in fact not a character but a peripheral. You keep bringing up Nintendo but that wasn't why I bring up ROB to begin with - I am simply stating the similarities of their origin, not the "chances" or shit.
She is a persona of a synthesizer that is later used in video games. She pioneered the "vocaloid" phenomena which IS a niche similar to that of VNs. She might not have started it, but like Doronbo Gang she made it big.
And likewise, if you read my posts, I don't think she will get in, but I am laughing at the fact that people rank her quite low as though she is a cartoon character, using arguments that sound like hypocritical which I tackled. And even then Sakurai never made big rules.
Also I'm not moving goalposts. I'm just sitting here looking at all the gymnastics show because I just corrected the assumption on Miku's place.
But Wolf's not a clone.
I use ROB because of the "they're not video game characters at all and are only partially related due to their involvement" - their origins, not whether Sakurai picks them. You bring up ROB's origin, which solidifies my point that he is in fact not a character but a peripheral. You keep bringing up Nintendo but that wasn't why I bring up ROB to begin with - I am simply stating the similarities of their origin, not the "chances" or shit.
She is a persona of a synthesizer that is later used in video games. She pioneered the "vocaloid" phenomena which IS a niche similar to that of VNs.
Yes, weird coincidence, that's what it was.The original rumor of SK in Smash actually had nothing to do with the Amiibo. That was just a weird coincidence.
Yeah, said Shovel Knight Amiibo is completely separate from the Smash line, & isn't even made by Nintendo. Plus Tamaki already said numerous times that the SK Amiibo was separate from his Smash rumor (even before said Amiibo leaked).Yes, weird coincidence, that's what it was.
You know people who post vitriol like this think that they are being totes hilarious and subversive about a popular character
They are not
They are just being jack asses.
A clone again? When was Wolf a clone the first time?
But... he plays and feels just like FOX and FALCO!But Wolf's not a clone.
Judging by the fact that Krystal is no longer canon in Star Fox Zero, Nintendo may be moving away from her as a whole.Semantics, obviously; Ryu and Sakura aren't clones either, but ultimately Wolf had a version of the reflector, a version of the dash, a version of the Fire Fox, a version of the blaster, the Landmaster, and similar-but-tweaked normals. He's no model swap, obviously - there's a lot different to him, and he plays differently - but he's in that same archetype with that same base set of moves conceptually, they just function differently across the three of them, and three is, IMO, one too many. Regardless, I'm actually fairly okay with most of the former (though I'd love to see some more moves outright replaced with an entirely new thing with radically different properties) but the Landmaster has always struck me as a shitty move on all levels. Starfox doesn't have much lore, but Wolf and Falco both deserved their own unique FS for their own unique personalities and backgrounds.
Then again -- I've always felt wolf, as a third reflector/blaster/dash character, was a mis-step. I'm no fan of the character, but if they wanted another Starfox character it always should've been Krystal, with the Staff from Adventures (which originally belonged to her before Fox gets it) & moves inspired by the magic powers in that game. That'd be something entirely new and different, but alas. We did at least get a staff user of a sort in Smash 4 with Palutena at any rate.
How do we know she's no longer canon?Judging by the fact that Krystal is no longer canon in Star Fox Zero, Nintendo may be moving away from her as a whole.
Judging by the fact that Krystal is no longer canon in Star Fox Zero, Nintendo may be moving away from her as a whole.
If I recall, Nintendo turned back the clock on Star Fox canon for Zero. Who knows, maybe they'll change their minds & reintroduce her in a later Star Fox game.How do we know she's no longer canon?
What do you mean? I'm confused. Wouldn't that make it an interquel? Do you have a link to this?If I recall, Nintendo turned back the clock on Star Fox canon for Zero.
I think APZonerunner explained it better.What do you mean? I'm confused. Wouldn't that make it an interquel? Do you have a link to this?
Sure, but I'm talking there from the perspective of Brawl, when they picked Wolf, which was coming off the back of a game where she was a major character, to be fair. I understand why they'd bring Wolf back now; he's already half-done in a sense, anyway. I just lament he's not more different.
Zero's a weird place, as it's a complete 'reimagining' of the series (though Nintendo has repeatedly warned press off describing it as a reboot), so it's basically a remake of Starfox 64/Starfox again, so, yeah, she's gone.
Question: Why did Wolf become a playable fighter, and not Krystal?
Sakurai: Wolf was a character that barely made it in due to time constraints. He was added because there was high demand for his inclusion on places like Smash Bros. Dojo!!, and hes a popular character. Of course, if he didnt have that backing him, I dont think I could have put him in. Among the characters with high popularity, I chose one who had a high possibility of becoming realized in the game, and as a result you could say Wolf was created.
For Krystal, we didnt have any of the technical modeling knowledge that we had cultivated with Fox and Falco, so it was like making a brand-new character from scratch. And because of the limited amount of time we had, creating Krystal wasnt realistically possible. On that point, with Wolf we already have some knowledge of how to model his character, and would require about 70% of the effort required to create a whole new character.
If I recall, Nintendo turned back the clock on Star Fox canon for Zero. Who knows, maybe they'll change their minds & reintroduce her in a later Star Fox game.
What do you mean? I'm confused. Wouldn't that make it an interquel? Do you have a link to this?
Not to mention, Metal Gear Solid is a more popular and important franchise than Castlevania, Goemon and Bomberman combined.
I mean, really, Goemon deserves it more than Snake? An obscure character from an inactive game series vs. a notable gaming icon with games still coming out to this day?
So basically it's going to be the same plot as Starfox 64, as it's just the same story from a different angle. That has nothing to do with what comes next. They also specifically said its not a reboot, so the old canon is still valid. Unless they explicitly say it's no longer canon, it's still canon.I think APZonerunner explained it better.
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But isn't star fox zero a prequel?
Didn't Goemon rank pretty highly in one of the Japanese polls? The vast majority of his titles are with Nintendo and he isn't any more or less dead on Nintendo platforms than Snake is at this point who is far more distinctly tied to Sony platforms and even the MSX in comparison to Nintendo.
Castlevania is a far more important franchise than MGS when it comes to Nintendo's legacy. There is so much there in terms of stages, assist trophies, and music that would elevate Smash than what Snake brings to the table.
Didn't Goemon rank pretty highly in one of the Japanese polls? The vast majority of his titles are with Nintendo and he isn't any more or less dead on Nintendo platforms than Snake is at this point who is far more distinctly tied to Sony platforms and even the MSX in comparison to Nintendo.
Despite Konami owning him, Bomberman would represent Hudson who certainly deserves some recognition, If Ryu can get in to pay tribute to the series that defined fighting games then Bomberman can get in for being the face of franchise that was pretty much a cornerstone of local multiplayer.
You're right, it's not impossible for them to include Miku.
I'd put her odds somewhere around Riddick, or maybe Harry Potter.
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There are no similarities in their origin. "Origin" means their start, their beginning. One was created with gaming in mind and one was not. Whatever happened with Miku later does not count as an "origin".
What is this phenomena? You keep saying "later used in video games" but can I have some examples that aren't just games based on the Vocaloid franchise? How is this any different from a character like Popeye or Mickey Mouse that started in one medium but eventually got their own games?
Yeah, which was all I meant in describing him as a 'clone'. I know of course he doesn't play identically, but the way his move-set is constructed is very similar, and ultimately he was chosen because he was easy to do. Which, in a sense, makes him being a DLC slot a little tougher to swallow, but I'll buy it anyway; I'll always support Smash.
Semantics, obviously; Ryu and Sakura aren't clones either, but ultimately Wolf had a version of the reflector, a version of the dash, a version of the Fire Fox, a version of the blaster, the Landmaster, and similar-but-tweaked normals. He's no model swap, obviously - there's a lot different to him, and he plays differently - but he's in that same archetype with that same base set of moves conceptually, they just function differently across the three of them, and three is, IMO, one too many. So, I use clone broadly - I wouldn't want a third version of Link either, I've always thought the people who've asked for Young Link back as well as Toon Link to be nutcases for the same reason. Regardless, as far as Wolf goes, I'm actually fairly okay with most of the former (though I'd love to see some more moves outright replaced with an entirely new thing with radically different properties) but the Landmaster has always struck me as a shitty move on all levels. Starfox doesn't have much lore, but Wolf and Falco both deserved their own unique FS for their own unique personalities and backgrounds.
Then again -- I've always felt wolf, as a third reflector/blaster/dash character, was a mis-step. I'm no fan of the character, but if they wanted another Starfox character it always should've been Krystal, with the Staff from Adventures (which originally belonged to her before Fox gets it) & moves inspired by the magic powers in that game. That'd be something entirely new and different - Zelda-esque magic, and a staff, which'd be a nice change from the sea of sword users as far as close quarters weapons go, but alas. We did at least get a staff user of a sort in Smash 4 with Palutena at any rate.